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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:24 PM
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Plutonium found in Iran waste facility(AP)

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and highly enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in
Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.
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The report, prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA, also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms.

And it said it could not confirm Iranian claims that its nuclear activities were exclusively nonmilitary unless Tehran increased its openness.

Link to full article
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:28 PM
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1. Iran needs to cooperate with the IAEA
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Xeric Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:29 PM
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2. So does Israel n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:39 PM
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6. I don't disagree, but since Israel isn't a signatory of NPT
I think getting them to agree to it would be a good start. The US isn't probably going to pressure them, but hopeufully the world community at large can convince them it would be their best interest as well. However, Iran is a signatory and it's in their own interest to cooperate, IMO.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:51 PM
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9. By US law, the United States cannot supply military hardware to nations that are proliferating
nuclear weapons.

Nuclear Proliferation Prevention Act (NPPA) of 1994
--Bars U.S. government purchases from foreign companies that "knowingly and materially" contribute to the development of nuclear weapons by a non-nuclear-weapon state
--Bars the sale or lease of military-related equipment to any country that violates the NPT
--Requires sanctions against those who finance improper nuclear-related cooperation
--Requires the halting of Export-Import Bank loans and loan guarantees in countries that willfully aid or abet a non-nuclear-weapon state to acquire nuclear weapons or unsafeguarded nuclear material


Symington (1976) and Glenn (1977) Amendments to the Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) of 1961
-(Symington) Prohibits economic and military assistance for countries that deliver or receive nuclear enrichment equipment, materials, or technology, unless under IAEA full-scope safeguards

Is Israel under IAEA safeguards? Of course not. Can we legally grant them military assistance? of course not.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:37 PM
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13. again, I agree...but the topic at hand is Iran cooperating with IAEA
is it your assertation because the US isn't following our laws Iran should not cooperate with the IAEA? For the record, I'm not a fan of the current gov't policies by the US, concerning Iran or Israel. But staying on topic I do think Iran needs to cooperate with IAEA. If the US had allowed Iraq to cooperate with the IAEA it may have saved us all this ugly and illegal war.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:15 PM
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17. My view is that the US by not applying the rules fairly is making matters much
worse.
If the US would be consistent in saying that it is US policy to oppose the proliferation of nuclear weapons, i think it would greatly enhance our diplomatic clout.

I should also say that deals the US has made to overlook India's violations is just another example.
http://www.alternet.org/audits/43531/

As it is now, it seems that it is just a matter of who the US says can have nuclear weapons, and who the US says cannot. Not the rule of law, just a matter of if you can get the US to support you.

And most glaring hypocrisy of all is the refusal of the US or any nuclear weapons power to move toward disarmament, that is another violation of the NPT.

This must be addressed.

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:46 PM
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21. and I'll say once again I agree with your disagreements with the US gov''t
however, still think Iran still needs to comply with the UAEA.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:06 PM
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26. I agree with you. I just feel it should be applied uniformly.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:52 PM
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15. Out of curiosity ...
Which of those is Israel currently violating? (Or has violated in the last decade.)
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:03 PM
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16. Israel is not violating US law, the US is violating US law... by sending
weapons to a nation that is engaged in the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 08:04 PM
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31. testing
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:34 PM
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3. For a pausible explanation from last year see :
Augsut 23rd 2005 -
Iran claimed vindication Tuesday after the U.N. nuclear agency concluded that traces of highly enriched uranium found on centrifuge parts entered this country on imported equipment and did not result from Iranian enrichment activities.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2005/aug/23/082305526.html

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:37 PM
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5. This was the 1st thing I thought of when I saw the latest headline
Thanks for that link, btw!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:35 PM
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4. Those materials have been found before.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 01:37 PM by leveymg
There is a small research reactor operating at Arak that produces plutonium in small amounts, insufficient to make a bomb. That's the likely source of the plutonium that ended up at the waste site.

Several years ago, Iran purchased gas centrifuge machines from Pakistan that were found to have been delivered with trace amounts of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). That may, again, be the source of the HEU reported.

You don't throw away weapons grade materials if you want to make a bomb.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:50 PM
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8. This headline looks to validate another preemptive attack
on another sovereign country.
Why else would our Navy be sent to the Gulf, certainly not on a sightseeing tour?

The Dems don't have control yet...

we're still at the mercy of Republican leadership.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:01 PM
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11. The USS Enterprise left the area, and is visiting Lisbon
on its way back to Norfolk.

If they wanted to commence bombing soon, they would have kept it near Iran.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:42 PM
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28. Thanks for that tidbit of info..
I wasn't aware their orders have been changed.
However, I am friendly with someone whose husband is a Navy Commander and word is
he is scheduled for deployment out of our area, after the 1st. of the year.

Apparently, Bush was bluffing with a show of force steaming towards Iran.
Plans may not have been firmed up as of yet, seeing Baker and Gates are now on board.

But I do appreciate the current information! :)
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:45 PM
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7. tonkin. gulf.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:54 PM
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10. This is an Associated Press (AP) article. All AP articles need to be vetted
for corporate/war profiteer propaganda, from blatant lies, to subtly distorted emphasis. NEVER take an AP article at face value. They are one of the worst--particularly for cleverly disguised bias that promotes the interests of the war industry--but they also cannot be trusted on the plain facts. The best policy is to distrust literally every word they publish. Think of it this way: Would you believe it if George Bush were saying it? That's a good beginning point. Then: Okay, how much truth is there in this report? Can any part of it be trusted?
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:04 PM
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12. We knew they were making it for electricity.
This is no big surprise. Iran will learn that once the new congress takes hold, we can start towards peace.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:26 PM
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14. I don't totally trust this news.
I mean we know bush is spending millions for propaganda, and how much he and his defence co. corporate allies love a good war.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:16 PM
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18. Plutonium found in Iran waste facility
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 03:23 PM by superconnected
VIENNA, Austria - International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and highly enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

The report, prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA, also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms.

And it said it could not confirm Iranian claims that its nuclear activities were exclusively nonmilitary unless Tehran increased its openness.

"The agency will remain unable to make further progress in its efforts to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran," without additional cooperation by Tehran, said the report, by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei

more
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:16 PM
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19. Forget it, dupe. I looked for it before I posted too.
didn't see the thread till now.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:16 PM
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20. Yeah don't worry bout that plutonium.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:50 PM
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22. Tehrantimes.com 12/23/2004 - US trying to produce fake nuclear
documents trying to implicate intelligence minister.

I printed and saved this article in Dec. 2004 from the TehranTimes.com
Sorry they are so big. :blush:




I typed this address to try to get a link to original:
tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da+12/23/2004+Cat=2...

And got this msg.:

Due to technical problems you can not see TehranTimes at the moment.
Please try again later.


So I cut the address to the original article, starting after tehrantimes.com to cut, hit go and got today's issue of http://tehrantimes.com/. I went to archives and requested 2004/December/23, then I got this:


Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

Data source name not found and no default driver specified

/archives/advsearch_bottom.asp, line 9

So I'm sorry there is no link here to original article. I emailed the webmaster@tehrantimes.com, but it was months ago and still no response.


I could easily believe that the US black ops would/could go in and plant such "traces". With only

"traces"

found, that in itself is suspicious.

I'm not sure why I felt the need to print it, but you never know if something will be useful later.

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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 08:33 PM
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32. Let this put us on alert. They were 10 years away, 5 years away, one year away
and now they have the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons. And they've also learned how to compress time and space from 10 years to no years. They usually plant psyops for a reason. I'm on alert. I fully expect us to engage with Iran at some point. I'll be happy if we don't, but I'm not convinced that we're not being set up for a confrontation.

I was saying on another thread, a friend of mine was at Clinton's 60th BD and he was talking to an m15 agent, an ex-CIA guy, and a reporter for the NY Times, all convinced that the * Admin are aiming for war with Iran and that the election has done nothing to change that course. I hope they are wrong with all my heart. But I was disheartened to hear such "chatter" about the topic. It's depressing.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:54 PM
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23. Should see what I leave in the wastewater after eating some White Castles!
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fbahrami Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:58 PM
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24. start a war - think later
;-)
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:04 PM
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25. Next it'll be DeLorean parts
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 06:04 PM by Robb
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 08:34 PM
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33. Hilarity :) /nt
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:25 PM
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27. Gee is anybody
shocked?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:44 PM
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29. lemme guess... it was next to yellow cake from iraq that some how
made it back from africa.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:34 PM
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30. UN official: Don't read too much into this plutonium thing
A senior U.N. official who was familiar with the report cautioned against reading too much into the findings of traces of highly enriched uranium and plutonium, saying Iran had explained both and they could plausibly be classified as byproducts of peaceful nuclear activities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/14/ap/world/mainD8LD3R383.shtml
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