Carville Says Dems Should Dump Dean over “Rumsfeldian” Incompetence

[ECH1969]

Democratic strategist James Carville says his party should dump Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic Party because of incompetence.

Carville, during coffee and rolls with political reporters today, said Democrats could have picked up as many as 50 House seats, instead of the nearly 30 they have so far.

The reason they didn’t, he said, is the Democratic National Committee did not spend some $6 million it could have put into so-called “third tier” House races against vulnerable Republicans. snip.

He added, “I think he should be held accountable.” He added, “I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its competence.”

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

[rusty charly]

1. jimmy? STFU!

[asthmaticeog]

2. Getting really, really sick of that horse's ass James Carville.

What, WHAT has he done for the Democratic Party lately? His latest mediocre book with Begala? I'm sure *that's* what turned the tide... :eyes:

[cui bono]

3. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

:mad:

[smoogatz]

4. Carville is now officially an RNC mole.

And when the RNC gives Democrats advice, it's wise to do the opposite. Without Dean's 50 state strategy, none of those 3rd-tier races would have been in play--it's obvious.

[Deep13]

27. 50 state strategy

Preach on, Brother Smoogatz! We were running out of "blue" states where our people could win. We had to expand the fight to red states. Running red-state-friendly candidates made our Senate win possible. Montana, for chissake!

What is more, Dean was not just running the '06 election, he was looking at building our organization for future elections. He did that and managed to win this time. None of Carville's friends ever did that.

[smoogatz]

32. Carville and the rest of the DLC traitors sneered

when Dean announced he was sending money and volunteers to laces like Indiana and Montana. Now they can't admit that they were completely full of shit, and are therefore now irrelevant. I have to say, when I see Carville on TV now, he just looks crazy.

[Overseas]

54. Well Said !! I agree with you !!

I was surprised to see Rahm Emanuel treated like the golden boy when I think it was Dean's 50-state strategy that got us far more than the Just Fund Safe Seats strategy of the DCCCCCCC (sp).

[howmad1]

108. See what withholding sexual favors does to a man.

On the other hand, why would anybody want to go to bed with Maitlin? God, what a horrible thought.:wtf:

[iconoclastic cat]

5. Fucking traitor.

Pass any info to your wife, James? Asshole.

[The Sushi Bandit]

6. This is a neo-con Fabricated Story!

nuff said..

[iconoclastic cat]

9. What evidence to you have of that? nt

[madfloridian]

19. No, I think it is a real move in progress.

He is speaking of "house" seats lost. That is Rahm's responsibility. The DBC has an overall job of governorships, state houses, as well as close races, as well as building the party.

I think it is a move on Dean as chair.

[endarkenment]

20. Are you saying that Carville has not now said this repeatedly?

it sure seems like he has.

[smoogatz]

39. What are you talking about?

Are you suggesting that Carville's now a neo-con? He's not--he's a creature of the DLC/New Democrat corporatist wing of the Democratic party. Dean speaks for the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, as he said repeatedly (and to the DLC's horror) in '04.

[0007]

100. James Carville should ride off in the sun set with his stupid

old lady, Mary.

I'm so sick and tired of this no where clown that can't figure out that his ten minutes of fame is over!!

nuff said..

[CAcyclist]

133. Not this story - this is typical Carville through and through nt

[flordehinojos]

7. listen carville, i'll take my FACTUAL 30 seats over your hypothetical 50 seats any time.

x( it is time for you to shut up your big mary matalin trap!

[John Gauger]

33. Well put.

He doesn't even have any evidence. His assertion is totally hypothetical.

[trogdor]

56. Very well put.

50 seats doesn't take into account the effectiveness of the Rove bullshit-sprayer (TM) in certain localities. Carville gives people more credit for intelligence in bullshit-filtering than they deserve.

[MODemocrat]

112. One bird in hand, is worth two birds in a bush

His scenario doesn't even make sense. If he's such an expert, he should have been working something besides his mouth.:silly: :silly: :freak: :thumbsdown: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[CAcyclist]

134. Right on!

:thumbsup:

[stepnw1f]

8. Nice Knowing Ya..... Buh Bye, Carville (nt)

[GregD]

10. Dolittle versus Brown - California CD4

I heard at one point that not much national (DNC) money was going into Charlie Brown, who was running for Dolittle's seat, in the lead up to November. And in the primary, some DNC money would have helped Falzett get his campaign together as he faced Hercer (CA's CD2).

Anyone know where I can see what was invested, race by race, in such campaigns?

[jakefrep]

11. Are we getting greedy here?

30 House seats, plus picking up the Senate is huge. I don't think Dean should be dumped, although I worked for a campaign that certainly could have benefited from the extra cash.

[InternalDialogue]

12. As much as I appreciate the new word (Rumsfeldian!) --

he has become an insolent little puppet. Go be insane somewhere else!

[The Count]

24. Yup. I gave him that too - his words are good, his aim is poor lately.

[Kagemusha]

13. Well golly, sounds to me like Carville wants a WAHR here.

If he wants a WAHR then I assure the dear Sir that he shall indeed get a WAHR.

[jarab]

14. Never thought James would stoop this low. n/t

...O...

[AlCzervik]

15. Carville should be expelled from the party.

[Last Stand]

48. Carville is a Liebermannian Democrat.

Dean, the internets and Iraq are true threats to Repuliscum politics. That's what's going on here.

[patcox2]

73. No, he's a Hillarian democrat, which means a DLC democrat.

And she has obviously unleashed a vicious attack on Dean in a bid to strengthen her claim to the 2008 nomination.

[Old and In the Way]

16. Is that Mary Matalin speaking through those lips?

Funny, I don't recall Jim criticizing Terry McCauliffe in 2000, 2002, or 2004. He, of all people, should understand the grassroots enthusiasm that put Dean into the DNC Chair. He's obviously fronting certain interests in the Democratic Party that don't want to attack Dean directly...I wonder who that could be?

[NorthernSpy]

35. talking Dem and sleeping Right...

And I'm betting that Matalin isn't Carville's only Right bedfellow (in the political sense).

More sour grapes from the DLC, of course.

[groovedaddy]

57. Money spent in Kentucky Congressional races

Our State Chair, Jerry Lundegran, is catching flack for spending money on the Congressional 2nd in Kentucky, where we were badly whooped. DCCC put money in that race too. Carville is full of shit.

[DinahMoeHum]

62. Carville doesn't get my respect back until he divorces her.

n/t

[Tiggeroshii]

17. Idiot.

Let's dump Carville.

[anitar1]

68. i second that !. n/t

[Deep13]

18. Also, Gen. Meade should have ended the war after Gettysburg.

Maybe we should let our victorious commander alone and not second guess a strategy that gave us Congress for the first time in 12 years.

NONE of our governors, Congressmen or Senators lost reelection. We won not only in the NE and West coast but also in Virginia, Missouri and Montana. Dean has wiped the red and blue dye off the map and made the whole country a battle-ground state.

[The Count]

21. And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon - and if Carville didn't

marry Dick's tool, he'd be talking rationally.
As it is, go Cheney yourself!
P.S. I do like "Rumesfeldian" though - we could use it for K street bad advice peddlers like say...carville?

[wilt the stilt]

22. Let's look at Jim's Decision making

He married Mary Matalin. Jim, you're disqualified from any competance rating

[FormerDittoHead]

23. Carville tries a "Hail Mary" to get a seat at the table. Nice try, Jim. Now shut up and sit down n/t

[Warpy]

25. Dems should dump Carville over being so CLUELESS

and unduly influenced by that neocon shrew of a wife.

The Ragin' Cajun has certainly gotten lost somewhere in conservative land.

By the way, Jim, have you checked how far 6 million bucks would have gone in those other 20 races WITHOUT the grassroots initiative Dean started?

The DLC, top down campaign strategy DOES NOT WORK. That's how we lost all three branches of government.

Hey, Jim! We want our party back and Dean is helping us TAKE IT BACK.

[quiet.american]

26. His remarks defy reality. n/t

[Deep13]

28. You mean the reality that WE WON following the Dean plan?

:D

[quiet.american]

75. That would be it! n/t

:) :bounce:

[John Gauger]

29. What?

That doesn't even begin to compare to Rumsfeld's incompetence. If we're going to make such outrageous comparisons, why not just call him a Nazi? That fifty state strategy looks an awful lot like Hitler's obesession with Stalingrad to me!

The assertions that the $6 million would have yielded 20 seats is not supported by evidence. He has no evidence that such a result would follow, only naked assertion. Considering that as many as 4.5 million Democratic votes were lost to shenanigans, maybe that money would be better spent on lawsuits, rather than thrown away on races that we couldn't win.

What's more, Dean has done a stellar job. He's certainly far from perfect, but as far as I can tell he has done a better job than anyboyd else that has ever held the post. Even if Carville's claim is true, that's not reason enough to toss him.

I think he's just trying to get his name in the news.

[NastyRiffraff]

30. You had your day, James...

and it ain't today. Just go away.

First he floated Harold Ford for DNC Chairman without asking Ford whether or not he even wanted the position, making a fool of himself. And he still won't STFU.

[THUNDER HANDS]

31. so let me see if I understand his logic

In a post-gerrymandered political climate, where only 50 seats are in play during a given election, the fact that Dean picked up 30 out of a possible 50 seats, and not 50 out of 50, is grounds for being labeled incompetent. Not to mention the fact that he helped us get 6 out of 7 competitive Senate seats.

What grade, I imagine, would Carville give himself when he weilded more power back in 1992 when the Democrats lost 55 seats in the House?

[Deep13]

37. Hard to argue with results.

I don't think we should fire the general who presided over our biggest victory in 12 years.

[Fenris]

34. It's pretty funny, if you think about it.

Carville emerged during Clinton's first campaign, and less than two years later the Democrats got swept out of power in Congress. And it's taken 12 years to retake it. Was Carville sitting on his brilliant plans to win fifty seats for those twelve years?

[Joe Chi Minh]

36. I hope he had that passed by his wife... I don't think she let's

him roam very far off the leash these days.

[flyingfysh]

38. can we please put Carville in some kind of office?

So we could dump him for incompetence?

[smoogatz]

40. Maybe put him in a burlap sack, instead. n/t

[Deep13]

41. We're going to need to move him to Storage Room B.

Thanks.

[chaumont58]

42. Carville is carrying Hillary Clinton's water

I would bet money that Hillary's crew considers Dean a threat to the 2008 nomination, and are doing to little disinformation.
I speak as one voter that would support Governor Dean regardless of what he said about not seeking the nomination. I also will say that I have little love for the thought of Hillary as the nominee.
Carville, like the rest of the DLC, is as much a puke as he is a Democrat.

[patcox2]

72. Noone else gets it, yet its so obvious.

This is Clinton's effort to maintain control over the party.

[Ladydawnelle]

81. He's a rabid brain fried cajun

I think Hillary has a LOT to do with this event. She's never liked Dean. Carville has been a whipping boy to Bill and Hillary for years.

When I saw Hill "cheering" clinking glasses with her daughter after Kerry's speech in 04. The one where he injected his Vietnam service back into the picture......... I just KNEW she was NOT cheering him cuz she thought it was a good idea but that it was SURE to be the thing that took him down.

She's as greedy as most republicans as far as I can see and as sneaky. Look at the way she hordes money! I don't want 08 to be anything about any BUSH or CLINTON!!! The OLD GUARD like STENEY, Carville, MOST of the DLC especially Rahm need to step aside and let the NEW guard take over. They are OUT witted and OUT gunned and have let their OWN greed and power struggles blind them to what the PEOPLE WANT!!!

jmo.

[antonialee839]

131. I don't think I will be throwing Rahm under the bus

anytime soon. I was pretty impressed with this article in the Chicago Tribune. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0611120215nov12,0,5515151.story?coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-hed. Carville needs to shut up, he has no idea how to win anymore.
I'm sick of his attacks on Dean.

[Ladydawnelle]

135. that's ok cuz I will - lol

I don't trust him and I've read he's dissed Howard PLENTY!!

Because of HOWARD we took back the HOUSE with plenty to spare.

Because of Schumer and Rahm we barely got the Senate and still lost Tennessee.

Rahm reminds me of a hungry shark. I can barely tolerate watching him. Did you see him in the background as Nancy and the others spoke today???

It was like he was directing them or trying to direct them from the rafters. Really gave me a creepy feeling watching him.

It's like the difference between READING GW's speeches verses WATCHING him deliver the speech. Night and Day and the REAL hombre is in the watching, imo.

[antonialee839]

136. Sure Rahm's a snake, but you don't win

elections without one, and I'm glad he's our snake. I love Dean, but Rahm had a hand in this victory also.

[Ladydawnelle]

138. A hand is one thing but

I've not seen HIM or Schumer or ANY of the OTHER DLC yahOOS give Dean any credit.

It's like a fight against the bloggesphere verses the elite in the bubble of DC.

[Leopolds Ghost]

123. Wouldn't Dean be more of a threat if DC insiders kicked him out?

Outraged rank and file Dems would rally around the ousted chairman and urge him to run for President again.

[Nite Owl]

43. And how many races did we win

using his way? Who controlled the house and Senate for all these years because of his thinking?

Dean is the one who got us out there to win in places we never even tried. Too bad Carvllle isn't able to be fired, he's nothing but hot air.

[Deep13]

53. So, how many new blue states are there...

...what with wins in the House, Senate and governorships?

How many blue states went red? Oh yeah, none.

[NorthernSpy]

44. the DLCers are horrified: we threw away the Clintonian playbook, and ran on a populist platform...

... and, most importantly, we WON -- something that Carville's ilk haven't managed to do for years.


And this was accomplished under the direction of a NEW ENGLANDER who was put into the chairmanship by GRASSROOTS ACTION.

So yeah, the DLC-types are pissed off. And scared, because we've clearly stopped listening to them.

[Sadie5]

47. How do you dump Carville

He needs to go.

[Deep13]

59. Hard to fire someone who is unemployed.

:shrug:

[AnneD]

129. It's all about the power....

Hillary is losing it Dean is gaining it. I respect the Big Dawg, but it is a new day and we need a new playbook. The DLC is not working for us.

[HaggardsMethDealer]

45. Carville is trying to destroy Dean for Hillary

He is Hillary's little attack dog and Dean needs to put him in his place.

[goclark]

49. Duplicate~ sorry

[goclark]

50. Don't think his tactic is working

with anybody but his Right Wing sleeping rugs.

[fooj]

105. Immediately.

[indigo32]

46. Carville

can Kiss My Ass

[BattyDem]

51. How many seats did they pick up when McAuliffe was the chairman?

The Democrats were competitive in areas where they haven't been competitive in YEARS! No incumbent Democrat lost this election. The party now controls the House, the Senate, the majority of state legislatures and the majority of governorships.

HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE HOWARD DEAN INCOMPETENT??? :grr: :wtf: :grr: :wtf: :grr:


FUCK YOU, CARVILLE!

[flpoljunkie]

52. Wonder if this has anything to do with the reports DNC will pick Denver, not NY, for '08 convention

[w4rma]

55. Carville can go suck an egg. Far away from Democratic consulting positions. (nt)

[emulatorloo]

58. Carville should Dump Matalin and go in for de-programming

because some one has clearly addled his brain.

[struggle4progress]

60. Mighta picked up 50 seats, too, except for the electronic vote-losing machines

[SOS]

61. XM Radio sports announcer doesn't like Dean.

Who gives a sh!t?

His opinions haven't mattered since 1992.
Ignore him. He's irrelevant.

[Copperred]

63. CARVILLE: THIS TIME FUCK U

DEAN IS HERE TO STAY.....

[rocktivity]

64. Stephanie Miller says she'll be meeting with Carville on Friday at a dinner

Now we'll find out what she's REALLY made of.

:headbang:
rocknation

[guruoo]

117. Intriguing sig you have there....

Definitely worth consideration!

:patriot:

[sarcasmo]

65. Time to Dump Carville. What a turncoat.

Kick and Nom.

[Frank Cannon]

66. Someone get Jimmy a cup of coffee and a cold shower

The guy's obviously out of his mind.

James Carville, success talks and BS walks. That's not only 100% true, but that sounds like something you would say... I mean, back when you were relevant.

[Arkana]

67. What a fucker.

BTW, who actually decides Dean's chairmanship--and do THEY want him out?

[depakid]

69. It's hardly Dean's fault that the Dems didn't activel nationalize

the election...

Had they done so, they probably would have picked up 20 more seats in the House and many other state legislative positions.

[Deep13]

76. We kinda did.

The war, corruption, incompetence and accountability.

They may have been tweaked for specific races, but that was the message nationwide. I doubt RI would have fired Chafee if there was not an R next to his name.

[depakid]

86. Seems to me the Republicans did that to themselves

It was more like their implosion than any concerted effort on the Dems part to put forth a solid and coherent agenda- like the "contract on America."

Dean would have done that in 2004 as the Nominee (and had he been the nominee- he'd be president today).

[Bob3]

70. forgive me but I don't think he was babbling about 50 seats

before the election was he? Now when the battle is over and the Democratic party has gotten a huge boost from it's grass roots and yes a desire for economic fairness in the system (see James Webb in the WSJ today), now we hear the voice of this corporate aprachnick saying he could have done better and that Dean should go. It's absurd and obscene and doesn't make any damn sense - even if, assuming james was not smoking weed for weeks before he came out with this gibberish, this was true, why bring this up now. why not weeks later once the air has cooled? Okay Meade did not win the war at Gettysburg but he could easily have lost it there. Dean took over a dispirited and disillusioned party and now look. Perfect? No. But so much better than the "we shouldn't talk mean things about the gop and maybe if we pretend we are them we can win" national Democratic party we at the end of 2004.

[rocktivity]

71. You're all invited to vote in a DU poll

about what Carville's Carville's real motives might be.

P.S. Rocknation says Dems should dump Carville over mental incompetence.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ladydawnelle]

85. Clark / Obama in 08???

What a wonderful combination of Strength, finesse and gravitas! LOVE IT!

[Ladydawnelle]

101. Correcting myself

A few friends just informed me that Obama is not so GREAT as we all may think.

Not only did he NOT help Lamont when asked but he's hired the same guy that swiftboated Howard Dean during the primaries as his communications person.

I can't say I trust him anymore.

CLARK/? not obama anymore :thumbsdown:

[orleans]

74. carville gets on my fucking nerves the last couple of years

but if dean could've spent more money on more candidates then he should have. period. end of story.

[Katzenjammer]

77. Not many people are perfect, but Carville proves himself again to be

a perfect idiot.

I don't like Dean's politics, but he's certainly been a far better DNC head than that jerk McAuliffe ever was.

[Deep13]

97. Just out of curiosity...

...what don't you like about Dean? I mean I'm no knee jerk liberal and often disagree with other folks here. If Dean has some weakness that is not widely know, it would be good to know what it is.

[Katzenjammer]

122. It's only a "weakness" if you perceive it as such.

To me, it's just his (lousy) politics. Like Cynthia and Dennis, I'm an FDR Dem. Dean isn't.

[maryallen]

78. Shut up, James!

Go back and play house-husband for Mary-poo!

[MasonJar]

79. John Yarmuth won in 3rd district Kentucky against an entrenched

Pug with no help until the last 1/2 week. We and he did it by ourselves. I gave money to the DCCC but they didn't share with John until he had almost won. So much for the rationale that the DNC could have provided additional seats. Why didn't the House? Also I like the 50 state philosophy. How can we become a viable party if we write off whole states and even sections? I know that here in Kentucky the Democratic Party is re-energized after being almost comotose. We almost got rid of Bunning in 04. We did get rid of Northrup in 06.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

80. Dead to Me

Take your GOP wife and go the fuck away. You're not a Democrat.

[prairie populist]

82. Carville. Dean. Love em both. Can't well all be friends?

[NOLADEM]

83. “I would describe your lack of a grasp on reality as Bushfeldian in its completeness.”

This guy must be getting better shit than I am

[Egnever]

84. Best response ever!

LOL soda came out of the nose with that one :toast:

[ninkasi]

87. I don't see any incompetence on Dean's part

I think he did a great job of helping Democrats get elected. Carville needs to shut up about Dean. Did Carville help us win anything in the last couple of elections? No, he didn't. We have control of the House and the Senate now, and Dean deserves a great deal of credit. If one of them needs to disappear from Democratic politics, it's not Dean.

[Marnieworld]

88. "Yes dear. You were right dear. I'm sorry dear. Yes I know I'm wrong dear."

Why do we all have to get involved with his marriage? Clearly he has been creeping in her direction so long that he has been lost. This Dean commentary is fine to please her at the dinner table but anywhere else he should STFU or cross over to her party. She is so in deep with Cheney that to accept her still either means he condones it all or is oblivious. Either way Carville=irrelevant.


On second thought I don't care. He should just STFU.

[Straight Shooter]

89. Carville is poisoning the well. Kick him to the curb. Now!!

:grr:

[Doremus]

90. Okay, who was it the other day who said Carville didn't really want Dean out?

"Asked by a reporter whether Dean should be dumped, Carville replied, “In a word, do I think? Yes.”"


Hard to spin that one, eh?

[Raine]

91. Carville is an ASSHOLE

who needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! :mad: :grr: :nuke:

[Jennicut]

92. Carville=Hillary

Thats the problem right there. Hillary wants to be president so badly that she will step on anyone who gets in her way and Dean is beginning to be too powerful for her liking. Rahm Emanuel and Charles Schumer are her lackeys as well. Lets not forget that none of them stood up to Bush about the war, the Patriot Act, ect. Dean did. Dean was outspoken. I supported Kerry in the 2004 primary but know I wish I had gotten behind Dean as he is smart, tough, and passionate. And guess who endorsed Dean for president 2 years ago? Why, it was Hillary's real enemy Al Gore. She must be really afraid he will run or maybe get behind someone like Wes Clark. To me, Hillary is not any better than the Rethugligans we just kicked out of power. I pray that Al Gore or Wes Clark runs so they can take it to her in the primary. Its obvious that Hillary did not want Kerry to win 2 years ago, look at how quickly she stuck the knife in his back after he made the stuck in Iraq gaffe. Hillary is scary and she and her little DLC'r friends like Carville need to be stopped. Oh, and where were you Jimmy boy when we lost the congress for 12 years? Twidling your thumbs and doing NOTHING to help the Dems take back power. 30 seats is not enough for you? Lets see, if you were head of the DNC instead of Dean we would not have had the brilliant 50 state strategy. We probably would have lost seats, you LOSER! Why don't you join little wifey Mary on the dark side, we don't want you with the Dems anymore.

[Cha]

93. Good rant!

Welcome to DU, Jennicut!

[Jennicut]

94. Thanks Zidzi!

Hopefully you all won't hold it against me that Joe is my senator. I only voted for him once, when he ran for VP with Al Gore. I thought he was alright then, but now...ick! The DLC side of the party really helped Lamont here..:sarcasm:

[Robeson]

120. Nice rant! And welcome to the DU!....

...:hi:

[NashVegas]

143. Does Dean = Gore?

There were people who called Al Gore's endorsement of Dean a kiss of death.

But we now know that Dean was more interested in rebuilding Dem - and national, in general - unity than actually becoming president.

Who does Dean endorse in 2008, and how much more weight will that endorsement have if he is still DNC chair?

[Zhade]

95. Dean's 50-state strategy just won us the day.

What kind of pipe does Carville use to smoke his crack?

[Imagevision]

96. Carvelle is getting weird, no, Carvelle is definitly weird!

[philosophie_en_rose]

98. We won, Carville. Get over it!

Carville is an interesting speaker and I like his books, but this is ridiculous.

Besides, now we have $6 million to spend on something else. Like running a presidential candidate.

[hedgehog]

99. Who paid for the coffee and rolls?

The article doesn't indicate the special occasion that gathered all the reporters together to listen to Jimmy.

[BlueIris]

102. Okay, I'm not a fan of the Dean chairmanship either, but come on.

Not even I would support dumping him at this point. Carville is a hack.

[wisteria]

103. What Carville claims as fact is actually speculation, and just throwing

money at a campaign does not insure a win. Where the money left off the grassroots kicked in. Carville doesn't obviously believe in the grassroots.

[fooj]

104. Will someone PLEASE tell this rat bastard that HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR

ME! He is NOT a representative of the DNC. Howard Dean is the DNC Chair and he is a formidable opponent. IMO, that's what terrifies them. That bombastic pitbull and his treasonous hag ARE NOT THE VOICES of the Democratic Party. Will someone PLEASE tell him to STFU?!!
He's an embarrassment.

[Ouabache]

106. So what is his wife rubbing thru his bald head into his brain

while he sleeps? Or, was he always this stupid and we never noticed?

[BlueEyedSon]

107. How do we dump Carville?

[silverojo]

109. Hey, Carville, you butt-ugly, red-headed puke!

Go write another retarded book about Cajun cooking, because that's all you're good for anymore. You, who led the Democrats to LOSE CONTROL OF CONGRESS for the first time in decades, have no business critiquing Dean. You are not fit to lick the soles of Dean's boots after he has stepped in a pile of fresh dog shit.

Take your equally evil, prune-faced wife and get the f*** out of the way of a REAL political strategist who has a REAL plan for this party's future.


Signed,
The Democratic Party

[tuvor]

110. I'll bet rummy wishes he were as "incompetent" as Dean.

He might still have a job.

[MODemocrat]

111. Is James Carville Losing it? Sure sounds like he is

He has no reason to go after Howard Dean; there must be more to this than we know about.
Dean's doing a wonderful job as Chairman of the DNC.

I think Carville has turned into Mary's hand puppet.:mad: :mad: :puke: :puke:

Can't believe he used to be such a hot Liberal before he made his severe right turn.

[leesa]

113. The DLC working overtime for the GOP,..once again.

[TankLV]

114. What the fuck is he smoking!

Dean has been the most successful leader in memory, and it's not enough for this asswipe...

Begin circular firing squad...

[whirlygigspin]

115. coulda shoulda and woulda go into a bar...

So what James...if there was no fraud, we woulda had 50
if there was no gerrymandered redistricting, we would had 100

if...bla bla bla, get off your ass and do something intead of whining and finger pointing James.

[Rene]

116. Somebody kick Carville to the curb. He's such a loser.

[Triana]

118. F*CK you, Carville!

Dr. Dean did an EXCELLENT job helping Dems win in 2006 Mid-terms! You DO NOT dump the winning coach!

Idiot!

I say Democrats should DUMP CARVILLE, instead!

[aaronbees]

119. I've liked Carville before but this ranting is nonsense

Keep that kind of strategery to yourself, Carville. What a load of it. Howard Dean is a big reason (one of many) why the Dems swept to victory these elections.

[Orangepeel]

121. is he still on this shit?

:eyes:

[populistdriven]

124. Why doesnt Carville call out Hillary for spending so much on her seat she was guaranteed to win?

Populist power put the Dems back in power and now corporatists are taking it away

[Marie26]

125. What?

Yeah, orchestrating a successful Dem takeover of the House & Senate was truly incompetent. :eyes: Either Carville is insanely jealous of Dean's success, or he's trying to put someone from his own "camp" in the DNC chair. I don't like all the infighting that has erupted since Democrats have finally acheived power.

[Eurobabe]

126. WTF????

Is Carville trying to start a war?

[librechik]

127. Get a new plan, Cueball, The Pukkkes didn't win after all.

CArville looks like a complete idiot pushing this crap. The average Democrat is probably going

Wha?

[rhett o rick]

128. In this corner the DNC, and in this corner the DLC, let the fight begin. nm

[DuaneBidoux]

130. Our greatest strength, our greatest weakness

Unlike Repugs who tend to circle the wagons and speak in one voice even if that one voice is a filthy lie we debate, haggle, argue and tend to actually expect something out of our candidates, all in plain view of the public. If we don't get it we can be quicker to throw him or her to the lions than the other side.

This debate is going on inside Republican circles now as to why they lost. You can bet there is bloodletting happening and all kinds of recriminations, but do you hear anything about it? Not much. They are so much better at having their debates behind closed doors.

[Exiled in America]

132. It just doesn't even make any sense - we just had a landslide victory????

Ok perhaps "landslide" is too strong, but it was the most sweeping democratic victory in a decade, that's for sure.

You fire the leader right after your most successful period in years....?

[Anakin Skywalker]

137. Ooh, Them's Fightin' Words, Carvy!

NOBODY can f*ck up as bad as Rummy.

[yurbud]

139. did Carville see how Rahm Imanuel's favorites that he poured money into did?

Duckworth LOST after Imanuel recruited her to challenge the more progressive and anti-war Cegalis in the primary, even though Cegalis had made a decent showing in the past running against Henry Hyde, one of the most prominent republican members of the House, in a very red district. If she did well against him, how might she have done against someone less well known?

Carville puts on a good Jethro act, but scratch beneath the skin and there's a Brooks Brothers suit.

[droidamus2]

140. Short sighted

Carville and the DLC remind me of the shortsighted type of CEO that will do anything to get the 'next quarters' numbers up while ignoring that what he is doing will hurt the company in the long run. Dean is looking at the long run and reestablishing the Democratic Party in all areas of the country and at all levels of government. I think the DLC and congressional campaign people should work with the resources they have (if Dean and the DNC want to contribute great but it is not necessary) and continue the good work they did in getting more Democrats elected, but they should recognize that the 'next quarter' is not Deans or any head of the DNCs job. Deans job is to make sure we have a strong, grassroots led party across the country for the foreseeable future and he is doing a great job.

[Locrian]

141. has-been

Carville jumped the shark with the 2006 elections. He's a has-been.

[CJCRANE]

142. Carville => "Rovian" n/t