UK Channel 4: Iraq's state involved in kidnappings?

[sabra]

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3924

Iraq's state involved in kidnappings?

New allegations from Iraq's education minister that the state may be complicit in mass kidnappings.

Another mass kidnapping in Iraq: passengers from up to six minibuses have been abducted at a fake checkpoint in Baghdad.

It follows Tuesday's abduction of up to 150 people from a Ministry of Education building by armed men wearing police uniforms.

watch i-view @ link

[eleny]

1. uh-oh

[Kagemusha]

2. I think it depends on how you define "the state".

I don't think the Iraqi government qualifies as any state that most civilized humans would recognize.

[DrDan]

3. and this is the government that Abizaid believes

is capable of delivering stability . .

[jannyk]

4. Sure it will...

it was very 'stable' under Saddam wasn't it? Yet tens of thousands of naysayers and 'wrong thinkers' or just 'in the wrong placer's' were brutally murdered and 'disappeared'.

We've just replaced one murdering dictator with a whole bunch of tinpot dictators. Once they kill each other off, and the biggest dictator wins, Iraq will be stable again. Most countries dominated by murdering, psycopathic thugs are 'stable' - just look at N. Korea, Burma/Myanmar etc. It's easy to be stable when you kill off all the opposing voices or keep them silenced by fear of torture and death.

The US knows what it's doing. It's done this before - though at arm's length. Remember when we overthrew the government in Persia/Iran and installed Pahlavi as Shah? Now that worked out ok didn't it.....oh, wait a minute.......

:sarcasm:

[DrDan]

5. You make a good point

It did work in Ethiopia - when Selassie was overthrown by the Marxists -

They imprisoned all the gov't officials and ruled for the next 20 years

[anotherdrew]

9. or maybe a lot of the people Saddam killed were not such nice people after all?

maybe he knew what the fuck he was doing. why they couldn't just make nice with him like they used to and still do with evil assholes the world over... well, know why? because they're little dickless wonders who needed to show the world how tough they were. Everything else is secondary. I firmly believe the only reason bush went in to Iraq was to show off. He's a strutting little prick, the kind that has to be beaten down regularly to keep him in check. Instead we put this utter piece of human garbage in charge of everything. god help this nation.

[jannyk]

11. Not only did we put the pathetic, little twerp in charge...

but we did it twice!!

That's what the global community will never forgive us for.

[anotherdrew]

13. our society needs to get a lot better at pulling psychopath from the general population

I think there is little doubt that he is certifiable a psychopath who enjoys having the blood of the dead on his hands.

[dipsydoodle]

6. That's from tonight , UK time, so....................

go into the their video archive tomorrow and watch it. It should have been posted there by then - only goes to the 15th at present.

[sabra]

7. vid link here:

http://www.channel4.com/player/v2/player.jsp?showId=3191

[dipsydoodle]

8. Thank for that

I didn't see the "watch" link on the original page you used. It's worth rummaging back through their archive if you've never done so - just ignore all our mundane UK crap.

[stlsaxman]

10. hmmm... can you say- Negroponte?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

yeah, John "Deathsquad" Negroponte.

[aquart]

12. I thought it was 19 trucks en route from an emirate.

These numbers and stories change every minute. Because it's unsafe for reporters to actually go out there?