Republicans plot to bring down Pelosi ... and Clinton with her

[deminks]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/19/wus19.xml

Republican strategists plotting their party's comeback after it lost control of Congress have identified the "first lady" of Democrat politics as a key target in the 2008 White House campaign — even though she will not be running.

Senior party operatives told The Sunday Telegraph that they are already co-ordinating plans to attack Nancy Pelosi, the liberal Californian congresswoman and Speaker-in-waiting who suffered a damaging rebuff from her own party caucus last week.

The Republican strategy is not only to undermine Mrs Pelosi's control of the House but also to associate her in voters' minds with Senator Hillary Clinton, the frontrunner for the 2008 Democrat presidential nomination.

"Two years of Pelosi gives a good idea of what four years of Hillary will be like," said Tom DeLay, the Republican powerbroker who ran his party in the House before he was caught up in a lobbyist corruption scandal. "They are both committed liberals and we will make that clear to the American people."

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I disagree that Pelosi had a "terrible week". I think that the media who still shill for Smirky wanted to paint it that way. There was a peaceful selection of house leaders last week. Nothing more. She was elected unanimously. That is incredibly good. Watch for not only the Rethugs to try to destroy Pelosi, but the media clowns too, who are talking about Pelosi's "bad week" over and over and over. They are still in KKKarl's pocket. This is what Smirky means about reaching out to democrats. He doesn't change.

[HaggardsMethDealer]

1. And this article is a good indication of what to expect for the future...

[Virginia Dare]

2. BRING IT ON!!!!!n/t

[rodeodance]

44. be careful what you wish for.

[Kagemusha]

3. Hey, Pelosi had some self-inflicted wounds, sure. They're just small

And by the time she ACTUALLY BECOMES SPEAKER, they will be way back in the dust.

Which beltway reporters should understand because bitter leadership related fights (if not for the speaker job, then for others) happen oh, EVERY TWO YEARS. (Minor typo edit)

[still_one]

4. wrong assumption, there was NO DAMAGING REBUFF from her own party caucus

They are obviously reading the rnc/rove talking points

wait until the investigations begin

[Jawja]

54. Self Delete

[Vorta]

5. The good news is that both women are up to the job of dealing with the GOP

I think though, that we ought to stop referring to these women in familiar terms. We should always refer to "Speaker Pelosi" and "Senator Clinton". This is not because I am a fuddy, though I am, rather it is because underlying the GOP criticism for the political acts of these women, is a deeper contempt for them as women. These are the people who refer to national journalists as "reporterettes". These are the people who can't mention Helen Thomas without a personal remark about her appearance. These are the people who called Janet Reno "Jake". These are the people who lisp when speaking of Barney Frank. These are the people who would speak in ebonics when referring to Rangel or Jackson if they thought they could get away with it.

[ocd liberal]

17. You are absolutely right.

I hadn't thought about that. Now I must go donate!

[SemperEadem]

56. exactly

"underlying the GOP criticism for the political acts of these women, is a deeper contempt for them as women. "

that is it in a nutshell.

[llmart]

60. Bingo!

These "men" (and I use that term loosely) cannot tolerate the fact that women are not intimidated by them.

[aquart]

6. "Democrat politics"? And you let this panic you?

Somebody quotes DeLay at you, you say, "The indicted Tom DeLay? When's his trial? How much bail did he have to raise? Do you think they'll add to the charges now that Abramoff can't shut up?"

Nothing indicted loser DeLay says is worth discussing, so don't.

If indicted loser DeLay is not mentioned, ask "Is this another one of Karl Rove's brilliant plans?"

Do not, do not, do not discuss Hillary or Nancy with these pigs. They have no right to talk about either of them. Send them home to their little women.

[MODemocrat]

24. You're right on key with this aquart

He's a disgraced has been, and what he has to say is not worth even thinking twice about. From now on,
I'm going to uphold every democrat regardless, and if we all do that, it wouldn't take the corrupted has beens to lose interest when they find out we're not paying attention to the likes of Tom DeLay.
They just need to get over it; they lost, and unless they change their ways, they'll never gains power
again.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Congratulations Pelosi and the Democratic House & Senate~~~~~~~~~~ :dem:

[sniffa]

7. wow! tom deLay?

did he give his comments from prison?

[aquart]

9. Perfect response.

[MidwestTransplant]

8. Nobody outside of the beltway considers it a good or bad week for her.

[okieinpain]

49. really I was trying to figure out if I missed something last week.

she supported her guy, even against all odds. I thought that was what loyal people were suppose to do.

[Raine]

10. The reTHUGs still don't get it

even though the voters told them Nov 7 at the ballot box in no uncertain terms...STOP THE DIVISIVENESS!!! Continue at your own peril IDIOTS and you will once again be repudiated by the voters in two years, DUH.

[applegrove]

11. Why we should never make nice. Always move ahead as if they

will be the sleazy pigs they have proven themselves to be over the last 6 years.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. I see they're coming up with some substantiative ideas about domestic and foreign policies based on

the feedback of their constituents, as well as experts in various areas of political import and are working hard to clearly communicate those ideas to those most impacted by them....oh, wait, they're republicans..never mind. MKJ

[JudyM]

26. That was my reaction too. Their M.O. is to attack, not to be constructive

about *anything*...

:puke:

I'm concerned that the Dem leaders will be sufficiently put off by the rethugs' lack of responsiveness to our playing fair with them that we'll stop trying and ultimately sink to their level. I hope they stay strong and keep their heads high.

[Cha]

13. Are they also the ones who

told "The Telegraph" that Nancy suffered a damaging rebuff?

"Senior party operatives told The Sunday Telegraph that they are already co-ordinating plans to attack Nancy Pelosi, the liberal Californian congresswoman and Speaker-in-waiting who suffered a damaging rebuff from her own party caucus last week.

I'll tell who suffered a Damaging Rebuff..bush, that's who. Nancy and the Dems voted in the party whip and Nancy stood by Murtha who is the Get Out Iraq Poster Boy. The Dems have all smoothed over any differences with their leaders..have the repukes smoothed over losing the Midterm Midtaculars?

Is the telegraph a wingnut paper?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

47. Why yes!

It is a wingnut rag! It is known, over there, as "The Torygraph".

[msongs]

14. too many democrats ran from the word "liberal" and allowed repubs to turn

it into a dirty word. for gosh sakes the mythical Jesus is the ultimate liberal!

now there are some democrats to be sure who do not run from the word liberal, (liber = free) but the "democrat" party has not taken a stand to defend the word and all that is valuable about it.

just like the "democrat" party may allow itself to be defined and described as the "democrat" party, a campaign now underway by the right wingers, fundies, and repubs of many stripes. will the dems allow this to happen to another valuable word, "democratic" party?

If I was the democratic party I would start a media campaign to rehabilitate liberal, and start with the Jesus character, then show other famous liberals and give a list of all the liberal things americans take for granted like SS, 40 hour week, etc. and so forth. There is a rather common letter going around, a letter to a working man or something similar, that lists all the things liberals have given us in the last 100 years. that is a good basis for the ad campaign.

Jesus = liberal, Satan = conservative. end of ad.

Pelosi and Clinton should tell the world they are liberals and proud of it (at least Pelosi can get away with this, not sure about Hillary).

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[FlaGranny]

59. I'm glad those

political ads are over. Saying "so n'so's a LIBERAL" with liberal pronounced in the same tone of voice as "child molester." Ugh. They believe generosity and openness to new ideas is evil.

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Yeah, Bush wants to reach out to Democrats.

With a cattle prod.

[Cass]

16. They will destroy this country from within if given the chance.

Pelosi has done nothing yet in her position as Speaker. Yet they are announcing to the world that they are going to attack her and bring her down simply because she's a democrat. They want to undermine her control of the House. They have NO intention of working with democrats; they intend to obstruct anything and everything. Its a disgrace.

They will delightedly rip this country to shreds for political gain. That's about as unpatriotic as one can get.

[Greylyn58]

25. Favorite quote from movie

The Fall of the Roman Empire...

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

----The Narrator, in The Fall of the Roman Empire

[Peace Patriot]

18. Why the hell are these disgraced Bushite criminals being consulted about

ANYTHING? This REALLY bothers me--seeing, hearing, reading these jerks who have been stealing with both fists, war profiteering, slaughtering and torturing people, spitting on the Constitution, stealing elections, and stinking up our nation's capitol--after they failed to defend it on 9/11--and who got their asses handed to them by the American people 12 days ago, blathering on about "small government" and cutting taxes AGAIN--with a $10 TRILLION deficit!--and never shutting up, and droning on and on and on with this utter hypocrisy--or being quoted as some sort of "experts" on American politics.

It's disgusting. It's like letting pedophile priests pontificate on the "sanctity" of marriage.

[TankLV]

19. and this comes as a surprise to ANYBODY?!?!

If this is "news" to our so-called Leadership - then we need new INTELLIGENT leadership - PRONTO!

I've always assumed that repuke plotting against (insert name here) was a given...

"Duh" comes immediately to mind...

[Kahuna]

20. They were going to use Howard Dean, Hillary and Pelosi as bogey-

persons for this election. Look how that turned out. :rofl: They're beginning to remind me of Wyle E. Cyote.

[KoKo]

21. Woooooooo! Be Afraid! Be Very Afraid! Pelosi is gonna getcha! She

comes from "Collyfornia."

Sheesh.

[MarkTwain]

22. Hey Tom, After Two Years of Subpoenas,, Committee Investigations,

.... Indictments, and a Boat Load of your GOP Rats jumping Ship to keep themselves out of jail, get back to us with this great plan you have.

That is, presuming that you haven't begun your own ten years in that orange jump suit that already has your name (and Federal Prison Number) on it.

[MODemocrat]

23. Why isn't Tom DeLay serving time for all his crimes?

Well, it's obvious, they're green with envy, and they're also very desperate. :evilgrin: :puke: :dunce: :dunce:

[Zorra]

27. Why don't these assholes just do their job instead of scheming

to get elected by smearing good people?

Republicans suck - they are nothing but a drain on America.

[jefferson_dem]

28. Republicans plot to bring down Pelosi ... and Clinton with her

Republicans plot to bring down Pelosi ... and Clinton with her
By Hans Nichols and Philip Sherwell in Washington, Sunday Telegraph

New Speaker's embarrassing week has made it easier for her opponents to attack

Republican strategists plotting their party's comeback after it lost control of Congress have identified the "first lady" of Democrat politics as a key target in the 2008 White House campaign — even though she will not be running.

Senior party operatives told The Sunday Telegraph that they are already co-ordinating plans to attack Nancy Pelosi, the liberal Californian congresswoman and Speaker-in-waiting who suffered a damaging rebuff from her own party caucus last week.

The Republican strategy is not only to undermine Mrs Pelosi's control of the House but also to associate her in voters' minds with Senator Hillary Clinton, the frontrunner for the 2008 Democrat presidential nomination.

"Two years of Pelosi gives a good idea of what four years of Hillary will be like," said Tom DeLay, the Republican powerbroker who ran his party in the House before he was caught up in a lobbyist corruption scandal. "They are both committed liberals and we will make that clear to the American people."

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/19/wus19.xml

[bluerum]

29. Good - someone who was run out of congress badmouthing a stellar

Speaker of the house.

Lets see - who do I believe - a thief crook and liar who was run out on a rail? Or a smart, tough, articulate speaker of the house?

Let me sleep on that one.

[snowbear]

30. Democrats will take down Hastert too....

... as soon as there's enough of them back in D.C. to hold his fat ass down!

[babylonsister]

31. Fuck da bugman. He's persona non grata, and is just waiting for

his day in 'the sun' (READ: indictment, because it's coming). Why does he get any outlet at all to spew his point? He's about to be convicted as a criminal and wind up in jail. Shame on whomever helps to voice his opinion.

[Renew Deal]

32. Is Delay going to make it clear from his jail cell?

What is he making clear?

[TechBear_Seattle]

33. "I'll get you, my pretty! And your little dog, too! A hahahaha!"

Anyone have a spare bucket of water? :rofl:

[USA_1]

34. Sorta Off Topic, But ...

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO LOUD MOUTH ASS WIPER ZELL MILLER?

[ninkasi]

35. They just need to grow up

It's impossible to imagine a worse Congress than the one dominated the last twelve years by republicans. Tom DeLay is such a good role model, and just the person to dictate what an ethical Speaker should be like. If I've stopped laughing at the end of the next two years, maybe I'll give consideration to DeLay's opinion. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: How many republican scandals have there been in the last few years?

[lyonn]

36. Where do the Dems get Their Rubber Stamps,

just like the repubs have!

This bashing of Pelosi is getting a bit boring. Repubs are scraping the bottom of the trash talk barrel.

[Tellurian]

38. Just last week, Poppy gave an interview stating, why can't we ALL get along?

words to that effect- If I hear one Democrat say, we're going to reach across the aisle,
and work in a bipartisan manner, I'll know we've lost, before we've begun.

If anything, the Democratic takeover of the House and Senate HAS to be with the intention
of cleaning up the existing corruption by virtue of exhaustive investigations. We cannot befriend
potential criminals who have cheated the American Taxpayers out of what is rightfully theirs.

Until then, the word 'bipartisanship' is the equal of any four letter uttered meaning "screw you".

It will be interesting to see which Democrats will fold like a bevy of cheap suits and reach across the aisle
to shake hands with the criminals.

[jaysunb]

37. Hispanics/illegal immigration in 2006. Women 2008

That's the game.....

[bananas]

39. Pelosi has the halo!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2763050&mesg_id=2763050

[jgraz]

40. Total right-wing hit-job...here's the smoking gun:

Mrs Pelosi, 66, who is married to a multi-millionaire property investor

And why do we need to know this? Perhaps to make it look like she's a limousine liberal who rode to power on her husband's money?

Did we also hear about Tom DeLay's spouse and what she does for a living? (Last I checked, she was collecting huge fees for "consulting" with some of Tom's lobbyist pals)

[OzarkDem]

46. Yep

Remember how they went after Geraldine Ferraro by implying her wealthy husband was "associated with organized crime". No truth to it, but the innuendo worked well.

Repubs will have an easier job with Pelosi, given that Steny Hoyer is so willing to help them out.

[4dsc]

41. Note the "framing" of the arguement here

They claimed "Speaker-in-waiting who suffered a damaging rebuff from her own party caucus last week." yet nothing of the sort happened.. Thus the corporate controlled press is already at work distorting the truth!

We need to break the corporate control over our media!!

[rodeodance]

42. and the LIBBBBBBBBBeral Media is helping them.

[rodeodance]

43. REC

[jollyreaper2112]

45. Take no prisoners

If the Republicans start a fight, we should finish it. No quarter unless there's a drawing before. Anihillate them. They are the enemy of democracy.

[The Stranger]

48. THEY ARE ATTACKING THE FIRST WOMAN SPEAKER IN HISTORY.

The lying corporate criminals on CNN and Fox News have completely avoided this HISTORICAL MILESTONE. How this escapes people very, VERY seriously hurts my faith in people. How can they miss this? Women everywhere should be up in fucking arms about this. The Republican Party should be obliterated as a political entity for this kind of open misogeny. Did November 7th mean NOTHING?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

51. It meant a great deal. That's why the misogynists have set their sites on women.

It was scary enough when they had to let women run for office; but THESE women may actually be capable of changing the system.

[noonwitch]

50. They are seriously underestimating both women here.

I don't see the whole Majority leader thing to be that big of a rebuff of Pelosi, but more of a fear of the controversy that selecting Murtha to the position brings. The GOP tactic to trying to count her out after this vote is premature-she hasn't even formally become Speaker.

As far as Hillary goes, they've been using the same attacks since 1992, at least. Unless they have something new, the people are sick of hearing it.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

52. It's important for us to dismiss their attacks.

Why are they so afraid of women?

[Jawja]

53. In other words,

attack the women.

Cowardly bastards.

[Tight_rope]

55. For someone who is about to do some serious time..DeLey should shut up!

Every word he says should be held against him. When I think about how disgusting he is...I just want to :puke:. What a rotten piece of scum. And to think some people out there support this piece of shit. As disgusting as it sounds, I would pay big dollars to see Bubba make that bugman his bitch.

[Tempest]

57. They targeted Pelosi in 2006

And what did it get them?

A Democrat controlled Congress.

Bring it on!

[warrens]

58. Kinda dangerous assumptions

I doubt Hillary will be the candidate, so let them waste their time. What a great spokesman, Tom DeLay. Hopefully, he will be pleasuring his cellmate by then.

[savemefromdumbya]

61. REPUBLICANS ARE YESTERDAY's PARTY

[Arkana]

62. Cry me a fucking river. You lost, we won--GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

Associating Hillary with Pelosi? Why, because they're both women who dare to speak truth to old, drooling white men in power? Way to go.

[librechik]

63. Did DeLay call us Liberals or Terrorists?

I can never tell with those people.

DeLay, the indicted, is still handing out political advice to those folks? And they are taking it?

What losers. DeLay can't even carry his own district in Texas. He ought to disappear in shame rather than remain in defacto leadership. The Pukkkes sure have things ass backwards.

[6000eliot]

64. Because this tactic worked so well when they tried it on Bill Clinton.

[KansDem]

65. If it weren't for the Corporate Media, they wouldn't be this bold...

No doubt the CM will accommodate the Repuke's plans to "bring down Pelosi and Clinton," but the sad fact remains: the Repukes have no more shelf life. Already on NPR this past weekend, I heard a "report" that says Pelosi is in trouble for the Majority Leader election, and that many moderate Repubs were replaced by conservative Dems in the 2006 election.

This, or course was NPR ("New Presstitutes for Republicans"), but if the Media did its job, the Repubs would now be looking for common ground rather than revenge as its congressional plan...