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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:42 AM
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Dell to start making PCs, laptops in India
< 20 Nov, 2006 0021hrs ISTPTI >

NEW DELHI: Taking its total headcount in India to 20,000, global PC maker Dell will start manufacturing all its products including desktops, laptops and computer peripherals in the country by the first half of 2007.

Besides, the company will invest $150 million this year for its various global initiatives including India. "We will manufacture all our products in our facility in Chennai in the first half of 2007 for the domestic market. Initially, we will start manufacturing desktops, which contribute 70% of our revenues and then we would add new products to our portfolio,"Dell vice president (customer experience and support) Dick Hunter said.

He said Dell was investing $150 million globally in this fiscal, in its customer care support centres. However, he declined to give details as to how much of this investment would come to India.

Dell currently employs about 13,000 people in India and in the next couple of years is expected to take the total number of its employees to 20,000.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India_Business/Dell_to_start_making_PCs_laptops_in_India/articleshow/481990.cms

Nothing like that cheap-ass labor. :grr:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:52 AM
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1. All Americans Should Boycott Dell
Myself I have never owned any of their shit because I have always hated Dell but now ALL Americans need to say "piss off."
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:56 AM
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2. You're right...
This shit has to stop.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:42 PM
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70. I just bought a Dell. Had I known this - No way
Never again! where is HP made?
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:00 AM
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3. It seems Dell Is following Apples lead
Foxconn has just secured a contract with Apple Computer to manufacturer the new Apple iPhone.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2238

:(
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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:09 AM
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4. This is going to devestate Round Rock/Austin, TX
If you can think of a way to exploit a coming crash in a local real estate market, put your plan in action in Round Rock, TX. Round Rock is home to Dell, and the town, while essentially an Austin suburb, is a one horse town - and that horse is Dell.

The town will COLLAPSE if they outsource manufacture/assembly/call centers. That is the main employer in town. The rest of the business there is retail support of Dell and the homes of Dell employees.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:50 AM
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7. The manufacturing facilities are in Austin.
The support and sales people are/were in Round Rock. I worked there once as did thousands of my peers. We had lay offs of 6000 people in a single day! There were smaller lay offs, still in the thousands, also. I was lucky, my job was eliminated through "attrition, meaning they were planning to make my conditions so terrible I would quit. Fortunately? I got very sick and was hospitalized so they fired me instead.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:49 AM
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11. My last 2 Dells were made in China
Their quality sucks now BTW.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:07 PM
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88. My Dell was made in China
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 10:41 PM by TheFarseer
it's a POS. I hadn't considered where it was made when I bought it. I wonder if you even can get an American made PC now-a-days.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:11 PM
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89. Found This:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:55 PM
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34. They're not shutting down in Texas
They's going to begin manufacturing the computers they sell in India in India. That's all. It's like when Ford opened up a plant in India to make the cars they sell in India.
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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:09 PM
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62. Ah....Misread the article. Thx.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:19 PM
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91. Not yet they aren't...
Dell is still a "golden child" here in austin. He does give back to the community. If he ever did close things down here, his name in this town would be mud. But then again, I'm sure he could care less.

More than likely the day he closes down the Austin facilities, he will have moved to another state the week before. It would then be amusing to see if someone buys his colossal castle like vanity project home.

Dell computers is a mill. Very high attrition rate. Their once "great" customer service has left alot to be desired in the last few years.

It amazes me that they had a 12% rise in profits.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:39 AM
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5. Dell
"We will manufacture all our products in our facility in Chennai in the first half of 2007 for the domestic market." I think that means that all computers to be sold in India will be manufactured in India. I believe that most of the stuff Dell sells in the US is already made in China.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:03 AM
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8. Actually
most of the hardware Apple sells Is made In China, at Foxconn Electronics.

Inside Foxconn's "iPod City"
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1815

:(
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:38 PM
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65. I really dislike Foxconn
I had to deal with them when I worked for Gateway designing cables. I was able to eventually show that they could not provide enough support or quality in comparison to the other U.S. cable companies that I worked with. And at Christmas, they would always send me that crappy chinese desert that had a egg like yolk center in it .... can't remember the name of them. But they sucked.
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grilled onions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:43 AM
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6. They Should Change Their Name
Call It Delhi rather then Dell
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:10 AM
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9. I don't even like their stuff anymore
I recently bought an HP and it seems far superior in quality to Dell.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:08 PM
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20. I bought an HP out of desperation, could have done much worse.
My home built computer died due to a MASSIVE power surge, and when I found myself unable to afford the parts to build a great system of my own, I went with an HP with an Athlon x2 3800 processor. It has a gimpy power supply, so I was very limited in what graphics cards I could add, but the one I picked out from PNY does what I need it to do. I also added a $30 Sound Blaster card and doubled the memory to 2GB. All that cost me just over $1000, and it runs EverQuest 2 with the graphics settings one notch higher than "balanced" with no problems at all.

I have to put up with ancient Dell computers where I work, and also had to try and fix an old P2 Dell that my then-fiance, now-wife owned. Lost cause all around. The only way I'll ever have one in my home is if I win it in a contest, and then it better be a screamer or I'll give it away.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:27 PM
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21. Excellent. My old Dell laptop
(well, not old exactly as I got it summer 2005) has just gradually fallen apart. First, the hard drive is defective, with the clicking sound. Then the DVD drive stopped working. Then the news about the batteries that overheat. Then Windows refused to shut down without a delay of literally several minutes. Then I can't open the my computer icon without always triggering an error message.

Ugh. :mad: I won't buy another Dell.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:07 AM
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10. The company I buy computers for will never again buy Dell
We've been going with them because the machines are assembled in the United States. I suppose we'll just find a local supplier; in Seattle, that isn't difficult.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:41 AM
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12. I disagree. Dell can source their products anywhere.
I have no problem owning a car (mostly) made in Japan, nor my computer and microwave, made in China, nor my dining room table, made in Taiwan, nor my flannel shirts, made in Cambodia.

I'm a globalist. That's the way of the world, and it is good for the world, and for the U.S. that we import these things.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:53 AM
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13. jobs
People often say things like this until their own ass is bitten because they lose their job to offshoring or inshoring. :eyes:


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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:05 AM
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14. gee, what a shock...
:eyes:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:00 PM
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15. What exactly do you do?
Somehow I don't see how the outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing jobs has been good for U.S. workers.

Unless you work in an industry (finance, import/export) that has benefited from it.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:02 PM
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16. The U.S. government buys Dell
Time to contact our newly elected majority and tell them to stop.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:01 PM
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17. Job not outsourced, yet? n/t
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:47 PM
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19. The IWW is globalist...
and "good for the world."
Do you also support the IWW, robcon?
-------------------------------------

One Big Union—One Big Strike

Industrial Workers of the World

http://www.iww.org/
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:33 PM
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49. Up to a point...
... I agree there's nothing inherently wrong with importing goods and outsourcing jobs - provided your economy is generating new jobs which allow you export goods and/or services of equal or greater value. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case in our current situation. The economy is sluggish, unemployment is high, income inequality is off the charts while investment in education and infra-structure are at historic lows. As things now stand, importing goods and outsourcing jobs essentially equate with deficit spending for which there is no offsetting income on the balance sheet. And that is most definitely not a recipe for a healthy economy.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:35 PM
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51. Why is it "good" for the U.S. to import these (mostly badly-made) things
when we can't even export our products to those other nations without being hit by prohibitive tarriffs? Is that "good"?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:38 PM
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54. Good points......
as well as your analysis of the Texas plant not lasting long.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:21 AM
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81. I agree with that about China, but not necessarily Japan...
Especially when it comes to electronics and cars, my Toyota is more American made than a Ford, so which one is truly "American"? Does it only count if the CEO lives here? I'm NOT a "Free Trader", not by any means, however, FAIR trade is something I'm all for. I don't care where a product is made, as long as the workers are paid an equitable wage and are of proper age(no child labor). I cannot say that his Cambodian flannel shirts qualify for either of those.

I hate to support Dell here(never bought one of their crappy products, never will either), but, this actually makes sense, this PARTICULAR ACTION, that is. They are opening up a factory in India so they can sell their products in INDIA, this, I have no problem with, its no different than when Toyota opens up a factory here to sell cars and trucks in America. This doesn't lead to outsourcing, but just is good business, as long as they follow all the rules and laws in India.

As far as outsourcing, that should be stopped, if Microsoft wants to run an Indian call center for Indian customers, that's fine, but why the hell can't we have American Call Centers for American Customers? Same for everything else, if I want to buy something that's American made, I'll buy American MADE, rather than American branded. If a company in India hits it big in the computer industry, and makes Delhi Computers(note: this is a pun), that are generally better than American branded products that are built in China, then I'll probably buy from them, hell, they may open a factory HERE for their customers, cause it'll be cheaper than shipping them.

All this said, there are a few things I would LIKE to happen that would make things better for all involved. We already have a World Trade Organization, I say we need a World Labor Organization as well, one that sets HIGH standards for labor, wages, safety, unionizing etc. worldwide. This way, things can be standardized, and this "race to the bottom" that is happening right now will stop.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:43 PM
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92. You Are a Globalist
part of the problem right there.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:20 PM
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18. Was going to buy a Dell laptop for MMjr. for his birthday in January.
This article convinced me to go with my local computer guy, instead.

Thanks for posting it.

As of now, I'm done with Gateway AND Dell.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:44 PM
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22. domestic consumption,
The tax situation in India on imports is pretty unfavorable. These computers are probably for domestic consumption in India.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:47 PM
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23. Where are they made now?
If not in the US, then they'll just be cheaper to buy.

How many jobs have they created in the US? It is possible they employ even more people in the US than previously.

These things can be moved around without necessarily lowering employment for Americans. A knee-jerk boycott may fail to take that into account (and fail to boycott some company who may not be moving jobs around but may be doing something actually harmful).

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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. They're currently manufactured in TX, so those jobs are goners,
and they're a huge Republican donor, anyhow.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:57 PM
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35. No Texas jobs are gone from this
Dell is merely opening up a plant to make the computers in India that sell to Indians.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:36 PM
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52. That Texas plant won't last long
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:49 PM
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24. The Dell I'm currently using Will. Be. My. Last.
Ugh.

This one doesn't have the quality of days past, anyhow. I don't trust Gateway PCs, HPs are really Compaqs with a different name (and I never liked those for all their proprietary crap, anyhow). I guess next time maybe it'll be an eMachine, if Gateway (who acquired them not so long ago) leaves them as a stand-alone brand. I have a friend who's been using them for years and Swears by them, not at them.

Hopefully, I won't need to make such a decision for at least 3-4 more years, though. I only bought this one in July 2005.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:02 PM
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66. Gateway owns eMachines now
I have an older eMachines laptop which has been rock solid. It has been under a Gateway brand for a couple of years now. Only Gateway's low end desktops still have the eMachines brand on it.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #24
87. same here
ugh....and i have TWO Dells in my household!
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clar8130 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:13 PM
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26. Are we sure about this?
I can't find anything out there to confirm the timesofindia story -- have any of you found anything? And I live in Austin. If any such decision has been officially announced, surely it would appear on the business sites.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:16 PM
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28. Dell moves more manufacturing to India
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 03:18 PM by OhioChick
Dell moves more manufacturing to India
NEW DELHI, Nov. 19 (UPI) -- U.S. computer maker Dell will begin manufacturing all its products, including desktops and laptops in India by mid-2007, The Press Trust of India reported

The move will bring the number of Dell employees working in India to 20,000. Also, the company reportedly is investing $150 million this year for customer care centers and other global initiatives, including India.

"We will manufacture all our products in our facility in Chennai in the first half of 2007 for the domestic market. Initially, we will start manufacturing desktops, which contribute 70 per cent of our revenues and then we would add products to our portfolio," said Dell Vice President Customer Experience and Support Dick Hunter.

Hunter told The Press Trust that the Indian PC market is expected to grow from the current 5.4 million PCs in a year to nine million in the next two years.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061119-035032-2402r

I'm finding that outsourcing articles rarely are to be found on US business sites.

Also: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/business/article_1224145.php/Business_Roundup
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:57 PM
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36. Dell's opening up the plant
to make the computers they sell to Indians in India.

This doesn't effect any jobs in the US.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
40. And In other news
Most, If not all of Apples hardware Is made In China, at Foxconn Electronics.

And I see from this video that Foxconn Electronics has just found some new employees to make those iPods, iPhones and Mac computers.

Why does Apple get a free pass for outsourcing?

:shrug:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:18 PM
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42. "Why does Apple get a free pass for outsourcing?"
Because Apple's a "blue" company and Dell's a "red" company. Eventhough, this whole article is about Dell opening up a plant to make computers that they sell in India.

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ap/corporate/en/pressoffice/2006/in/2006_09_14_in_000?c=in&l=en&s=corp
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:40 PM
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58. Not true
The Apple Corp has donated mostly to PePUGlicans, Buy blue has falsely listed Apple as blue only because Steve Jobs has donated to Dems.

Was Apple blue when Steve jobs left Apple a few years ago?
Will Apple be blue when Steve Jobs leaves Apple again sometime In the near future?

And yes, It seems to me that Apple does get a free pass from some people here on DU.


:(
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:44 PM
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59. That's just my impression from people on DU
That people think Apple's blue, thus love them so they get a pass.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:03 PM
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61. Unfortunately
Some people on DU are not being honest with others here on the forum, I always try to make my own decisions based on the facts, not by what others say.

I know of some people on Freak RePUGlic that think George W Bush Is the greatest pRESident ever, But I don't believe It.

:)
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:15 PM
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27. American Corporations don't need no stinkin' Americans to build their products! nt
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:19 PM
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29. what next - cars???
:shrug: no matter, i don't buy dells anyway.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:28 PM
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30. I wouldn't buy a Dell computer for that reason, though it would have been cheaper.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 03:30 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
I was advised to, but the thought of it just enraged me.

I'm glad I didn't, because I've had great service from the local Edinburgh ComputerWorld, since buying a Hewlett Packard from them.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:39 PM
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31. Dell's going to make the computers they SELL in India in India
That's what the article is about.

Here's another article:
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Dell_to_Begin_Manufacturing_in_India/551-77312-615.html

According to Dick Hunter, Vice President of Customer Experience and Support at Dell, the company will manufacture all products for the domestic market at their facility in Chennai.

The products to be manufactured in India will include desktops that contribute around 70 percent of Dell's revenues. Other products too will be added to the portfolio.


The domestic market refers to India.

Here's another article
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/006200611190910.htm

Most articles about Dell opening up manufacturing in India are from Indian newspapers. There's nothing in the Austin American Statesman about Dell moving manufacturing jobs to India.

Also, Dell recently launched a few PCs & laptops marketed for the Indian market.

There's nothing in any of the many articles I pulled about Dell closing down any manufacturing here in the U.S.
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clar8130 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:43 PM
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32. thanks tammy
That was my take on it, too, just couldn't find the links.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:53 PM
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33. Here I found this on the Dell India website
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 04:02 PM by tammywammy
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ap/corporate/en/pressoffice/2006/in/2006_09_14_in_000?c=in&l=en&s=corp

DELL TO ESTABLISH MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN TAMIL NADU TO FURTHER SERVE CUSTOMERS IN INDIA


Dell today announced it will locate the company's first India manufacturing facility in the state of Tamil Nadu, following completion of a memorandum of understanding between Dell and state officials.


snip

The manufacturing plant in Tamil Nadu will join similar Dell APJ operations in Penang, Malaysia, and Xiamen, China. Globally, the company also builds computer systems in Austin, Texas, Nashville, Tenn., and Winston-Salem, N.C., in the United States; in Limerick, Ireland; and in Eldorado do Sul, Brazil. A second South American production site is currently under construction in San Paulo, Brazil.

The Austin American Statesman would be all over this if Dell was going to be shutting down in Texas. I have absolutely no problem with Dell opening up in India to better serve Indian customers.

Emphasis is mine
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:04 PM
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38. Tricky wording - how do you *know* your interpretation is right?
Dick Hunter's reference to "the domestic market" could just as easily refer to the US market as the Indian market. How are you so sure that your interpretation of his words is the correct one? I think you are likely mistaken in your belief.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Check out the press release from Dell
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ap/corporate/en/pressoffice/2006/in/2006_09_14_in_000?c=in&l=en&s=corp

DELL TO ESTABLISH MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN TAMIL NADU TO FURTHER SERVE CUSTOMERS IN INDIA

Third Manufacturing Facility in Asia-Pacific and Japan Expands Capacity, Enhances Industry-Best Customer Delivery in Region

India, September 14, 2006

Dell today announced it will locate the company's first India manufacturing facility in the state of Tamil Nadu, following completion of a memorandum of understanding between Dell and state officials.


snip

The manufacturing plant in Tamil Nadu will join similar Dell APJ operations in Penang, Malaysia, and Xiamen, China. Globally, the company also builds computer systems in Austin, Texas, Nashville, Tenn., and Winston-Salem, N.C., in the United States; in Limerick, Ireland; and in Eldorado do Sul, Brazil. A second South American production site is currently under construction in San Paulo, Brazil.

And I'm pretty sure I'm not mistaken in my belief. If this was going to effect Dell plants in Texas, the Austin American Statesman would be all over this.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:22 PM
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43. I see your point, but have a real problem in how this is worded.
NEW DELHI: Dell will start manufacturing "ALL" its products including desktops and laptops in India by the second half of 2007, the company said today.


More at link:
http://www.ciol.com/content/search/showarticle1.asp?artid=91006
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. I see what your saying
But I looked at a bunch of articles on this, and all but two came from Indian sources. The various articles also said that the new plant would cut delivery time from 12 days to 3-4 days.

Also on the news release it says:

The manufacturing plant in Tamil Nadu will join similar Dell APJ operations in Penang, Malaysia, and Xiamen, China. Globally, the company also builds computer systems in Austin, Texas, Nashville, Tenn., and Winston-Salem, N.C., in the United States; in Limerick, Ireland; and in Eldorado do Sul, Brazil. A second South American production site is currently under construction in San Paulo, Brazil.

There's no articles saying this in any was effects the other various manufacturing plants.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:33 PM
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50. Time will tell. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. I agree.
See Post #43
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
53. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell to you (a Made In The USA one)
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:02 PM
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37. I wonder how many who are upset over this drive cars made overseas
I don't understand the fashion need to be seen in Asian and European cars here - it's caused the loss of hundreds of thousands of American automaking jobs. It seems like such a minor sacrifice to buy a car made here if you really believe in the importance of the American factory worker.

The worst critics tend to be those who, when pressed, cannot even name the American car models. Needless to say, they haven't been in a showroom in decades.

Peace.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. All of my vehicles are from "The Big Three"
However, most weren't even made here in the US.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #39
76. "ALL of my vehicles"? wow.
how many cars do you own? and do you need more than one? does anyone? just curious...
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Being married
and having 2 different jobs between us on the opposite ends of town make for needing two cars. Why?
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #78
84. oh. right. i thought
you meant you alone have many cars when you said 'all my cars.'
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. Generalize much? nt
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #46
71. No. Apparently you didn't read my post...which makes you the generalizer
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 10:02 PM by Psephos
My post is broad brush-free. If that shoe fits, then wear it; otherwise, join me in wondering why it's considered progressive to be seen driving foreign-made cars. :wtf:

I'm not looking for an argument here, but instead asking why a lot of progressives don't purchase goods (not just cars) that help keep American union workers employed. There are many high-quality, high-gas-mileage choices among the American makes. If more people bought those, then product lines for low-gas-mileage models would be shifted in favor of the higher-selling models.

As I said before, those with the least knowledge of the independent quality ratings and the model offerings tend to be the loudest critics. That's not directed at you, Vegas...just something I've noticed.

Peace.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #37
48. Or they never even owned a Domestic and remember their
parent's car from the 70's/80's. But they all think Apple is made here too. Especially the gazillions of IPods they own.

:eyes:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:38 PM
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56. There are Japanese cars manufactured in the USA
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. THEY ARE STILL JAPANESE CARS, NOT AMERICAN CARS
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #57
67. So it's wrong for any American money to go overseas?
Sheesh. These cars are MANUFACTURED in the U.S. and sold in the U.S. domestic market. The plant managers are American. The workers are American. The corporate profits do go to Japan, but are you arguing that American CEO's are suffering? (Besides, Japanese CEO's make a fraction of American ones.)
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #57
82. Why should we care about American branded products made elsewhere?
Here's an example using shoes, which is better for the American Worker, buying shoes from Nike, made in the Phillipines, or buying shoes from Bata, made in the USA?
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:34 PM
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68. Cars are a little different
Personal computers aren't threatening to cause global sea level to rise by 20 feet or bring on a new ice age. American automobile manufacturers seem to be intent upon developing and marketing products which will do as much damage to the environment as is humanly possible. I will therefore go out of my way to not buy American when it comes to cars, because supporting that industry means supporting global warming and reckless, irresponsible energy consumption and even more important than supporting US jobs is sending the loudest and clearest message I can to the American auto industry that such reprehensible behavior is totally unacceptable and will cost them consumers.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:29 PM
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45. I guess I'm weird. I LOVE my Dell............
Of course, I am comparing it to my previous, a Gateway, which is about to go to computer hell to burn forever. Pentium 3, 15 GB hard drive, WindowsME. No memory. What a POS, and it is still at home where I struggle daily with it. I actually plan to replace it with another Dell. Like I said, I just LOVE the Dell I have at the office.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #45
72. The same vintage Dell would have be a POS...
the Win ME OS flat out sucked. It was just a re-packaged Windows 98. The Pentium 3 processor was underpowered for Win XP. Try not to blame the hardware too much, because you are comparing apples to oranges.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:38 PM
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55. Let's see, Gateway, HP, and Dell made in China now
Maybe assembled here. Apple, same thing

So what are you going to buy?

NOTHING. None of it is made here. ALL of the components and cases are made in ASIA.

Dell is building a factory in India for the INDIA market. There's greater growth potential there. We're at 85% saturation or greater now.


So what's the point?????? IBM sold off to the Chinese. Sony isn't even a blip on the PC radar.

And guess where Toshiba is made??


We should have hit them with huge tariffs like they do to us to keep the manufacturing here.

Now NOTHING IS MADE HERE BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE IMPORTED CRAP.

Talk among yourselves, not worth any more energy.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. You blame the consumer when Bush gives huge tax-breaks to American
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 05:04 PM by VegasWolf
Corporations to outsource their labor? An American struggling to live in the Bush economy needs to buy at the best prices he can. Blame American Corporations for raising their "productivity" numbers by outsourcing jobs overseas and the Bush administration that is in bed with big business! Not the poor consumer! Jesus!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #60
79. Just stop whining about where it gets built, WE HAVE NO SAY
tell our incoming saviors to change everything he has wrought overnight so you can sleep in peace and live in wonderland.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:20 PM
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63. Hello, sir, you are getting a Dell!
Thank you, come again!


:hide:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:23 PM
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64. I loves me some IBM ThinkPad
Made in China, but a damn sight better than anything Dell has made in years.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:32 PM
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69. Dell is a Big Time Donor to the GOP. Enough of a Reason to Boycott.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #69
80. Boycott everything, then you can eat bark and weeds
and use tomato cans and string to post on DU.

Boycotts by Liberals DON'T WORK because we aren't robots and we can't agree on anything even when the facts are in front of us.

NOTHING ELECTRONIC IS MADE HERE ANY MORE, NOTHING, FACE REALITY. And believe it or not it's because my hero, Bill Clinton made trade agreements a centerpiece of his administrations.

Tell our Congress and Senate to drop everything so you can buy an American made computer again.:banghead:
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. I Wasn't Commenting on Effectiveness of a Mass Boycott
nor where computers are made. It's really a matter of personal conscience and caring about WHERE the money goes.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #80
90. Yes the Big Dog sure opened the door
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:12 PM
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73. Dell products are crap.
Today one of the senior project leaders had his new Dell die on him during a conference. I have had them repaired constantly at work.

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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Their server line is not much better than the desk/laptop line...
we had a client last week lose all of their data on one of their storage containers due to a two drive failure in the same day, running on a RAID-5 configuration. DELL PowerEdge 2900 with PERC 5/i controller (not exactly a cheap small business server). The server was less than one month old. Service was called at the on set of the first drives failure. The second drive failed prior to Dell's ability to come up with a warranty replacement for the first drive.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:13 PM
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75. Never bought one,....

and now I never will!

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:45 PM
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77. wow, bye bye middle class
:puke:
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:36 AM
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83. It seems the new facility will build PCs for the burgeoning Asian / Indian market
Building a computer half a world away to customer specifications and shipping it is expensive, so computers are usually assembled locally.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:16 AM
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85. I'm Starting to Wonder If This Is Entirely Accurate
From the original Times of India report:

We will manufacture all our products in our facility in Chennai in the first half of 2007 for the domestic market.

Domestic = India.

I think if they were going to shut down all operations elsewhere, the Texas and Nashville papers would be screaming already.
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