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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:36 AM
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Edwards Says Obama Should Run For President

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/mostpopular/article.aspx?storyid=75237&provider=top

Edwards Says Obama Should Run For President
The former presidential candidate hasn't decided yet if he'll run in 2008.

Columbia, SC -- Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards isn't yet willing to commit to another run for president, but the 2004 Democratic nominee for vice president said Sunday that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama should get into the race.

"I hope he runs. I think he should run," Edwards told The Associated Press. "This is such an important job that I would urge anybody who can make a serious contribution to the campaign and the dialogue -- either in our party or the other party -- to run."

Obama was still a candidate for Senate in 2004, when he delivered the keynote address at Democratic National Convention that sent Edwards and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry onto the general election against President Bush.

Should he enter the race, Obama -- along with New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Edwards -- would be among the favorites for the party's nomination. While none of the three have said for certain they are planning to run, Edwards said Sunday that anyone with something to offer should get into the race.

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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:38 AM
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1. Oh, well, in that case, it's settled. Obama it is.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 10:40 AM by The Count
MATTHEWS: OK. I just want to get one thing straight so that we know how
you would have been different in president if you had been in office
the last four years as president. Would you have gone to Afghanistan?

EDWARDS: I would.

MATTHEWS: Would you have gone to Iraq?

EDWARDS: I would have gone to Iraq.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3131295 /

I noticed all 3 "favorites" are warmongers.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:08 AM
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3. This is the second time you posted this same comment
Within the past 12-18 hours. You posted this on Tom Rinaldo's post about Clark as well.

Now, let's set the record straight. Edwards did say that a few years ago. Here's what he said 53 weeks ago from today, in an e-mail that many in the netroots received (and he has not changed his position):

Dear Benny,
I was wrong.

I wrote these words about my vote to authorize the Iraq war in a Washington Post op-ed piece and I want to share my views with you as well.

Almost three years ago, we went into Iraq to remove what we were told -- and many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003. The intelligence was deeply flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda.

It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake. It has been hard to say these words because those who didn't make a mistake -- the men and women of our armed forces and their families -- have performed heroically and paid a very dear price. It is not right, just or fair that we made a mistake, but they pay for that mistake.

The world desperately needs moral leadership from America, and the foundation for moral leadership is telling the truth. While we can't change the past, we need to accept responsibility because a key part of restoring America's moral leadership is acknowledging when we've made mistakes or been proven wrong -- and to show that we have the creativity and guts to make it right.

The argument for going to war with Iraq was based on intelligence that we now know was inaccurate. The information the American people were hearing from the President -- and that I was being told by our intelligence community -- wasn't the whole story. Had I known this at the time, I never would have voted for this war.

George Bush won't accept responsibility for his mistakes. Along with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, he has made horrible mistakes at almost every step: twisting intelligence to fit their pre-conceived views about Iraq's threat; failed diplomacy; not going in with enough troops; not giving our forces the equipment they need; not having a plan for peace.

Because of these failures, Iraq is a mess and has become a far greater threat than it actually ever was. It is now a haven for terrorists, and our presence there is draining the goodwill that our country once enjoyed, diminishing our global standing. It has made fighting the global war against terrorist organizations more difficult, not less.

The urgent question isn't how we got here, but what we do now. We have to give our troops a way to end their mission honorably. That means leaving behind a success, not a failure.

What is success? I don't think it is Iraq as a Jeffersonian democracy. I think it is an Iraq that is relatively stable, largely self-sufficient, comparatively open and free, and in control of its own destiny.

A plan for success needs to focus on three interlocking objectives: reducing American presence; building Iraq's capacity; and getting other countries to meet their responsibilities to help.


First, we need to remove the image of the imperialist America from the landscape of Iraq. American contractors who have taken unfair advantage of the turmoil in Iraq need to leave Iraq. If that means Halliburton subsidiary, KBR, then KBR should go. Such departures, and the return of the work to Iraqi businesses, would be a real statement about our hopes for the new nation.

We also need to show Iraq and the world that we will not stay there forever. We've reached the point where the large number of our troops in Iraq hurts, not helps, our goals. Therefore, early next year, after the Iraqi elections and a new government has been created, we should begin the redeployment of a significant number of troops out of Iraq. This should be the beginning of a gradual process to reduce our presence and change the shape of our military's deployment in Iraq.

Most of these troops should come from National Guard or Reserve forces. That will still leave us with enough military capability, combined with better trained Iraqis, to fight terrorists and continue to help the Iraqis develop a stable country.

Second, this redeployment should work in concert with a more effective training program for Iraqi forces. We should implement a clear plan for training and hard deadlines for certain benchmarks to be met. To increase incentives, we should implement a schedule outlining that as we certify that Iraqi troops are trained and equipped, a proportional number of U.S. troops will withdraw.

Third, we must launch a serious diplomatic process that brings the world into this effort. We should bring Iraq's neighbors and our key European allies into a diplomatic process to get Iraq on its feet. It's not just in America's security interest for Iraq to succeed, but the world's -- and the President needs to create a unified international front.

Too many mistakes have already been made to make this easy. Yet we must take these steps to succeed. The American people, the Iraqi people and -- most importantly -- our troops who have died or been injured there and those who are fighting there today deserve nothing less.

America's leaders -- all of us -- need to accept the responsibility we each carry for how we got to this place. Over 2,000 Americans have lost their lives in this war; and over 150,000 are fighting there today. They and their families deserve honesty from our country's leaders. And they also deserve a clear plan for a way out.

John


This is what the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle had to say about Edwards after he wrote his op-ed in WaPo:

Former VP hopeful is setting himself apart from crowd and party

(November 15, 2005) — Practically absent from the national political scene since last year's presidential election, Democrat John Edwards made quite a splash last weekend. Without equivocation, the unsuccessful 2004 candidate for vice president admitted he was wrong to vote to support going to war in Iraq.

Edwards' candid admission and his plan for winding down the war came in an op-ed piece published in the Washington Post. It was particularly noteworthy because it marked the first time that a high-profile Democrat who supported the war publicly acknowledged making a mistake.

The admission, no doubt, will strengthen Edwards' efforts to appeal to grass-roots, anti-war Democrats as the race for the party's 2008 presidential nomination gathers steam.

True, other prominent Democrats considered to be presidential timber, such as Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Evan Bayh, have hardly worn their "yes'' votes on the war as badges of honor. But they have refused to renounce their actions.

Instead, these big-name Democrats have argued that they were misled by the Bush administration, which provided flawed intelligence.

End of story.

By accepting "responsibility" for his mistake and devising a plan for action, Edwards is not only setting himself apart from the crowd of presidential aspirants, but from the party as well.

After all, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean seems to be relishing the withholding of details about the party's agenda on Iraq and change, overall. "Right now, it's not our job to give out specifics,'' he told a TV news show Sunday.

Never mind that polls show that 52 percent of swing voters believe Democrats have no clear vision for the future.

At least Edwards seems to recognize the urgency of seizing the moment and the importance of acting differently to achieve a different outcome.


I'm not certain that Obama is a warmonger either. And I think it's great that Edwards is saying to Obama, join the Presidential hopefuls party if you want. There's plenty of room.



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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:29 PM
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7. Bravo ~ we are a BIG tent and we need quality

in our race to the WH.

Edwards is qualified to run and Obama meets the qualifications also.

We need all of these strong people to campaign and bring all parties to LISTEN to the debate.

Edwards and Obama would add so much to the Democratic Nomination process.


I will vote for the best man/woman that I think can beat the RepuliCONS.

Edwards was gracious to say that about Obama. He is smart and he is right.

What if Edwards got the nomination and he had made a public statement to say something like "Obama isn't ready to run?"

That would turn off a lot of people(including goclark) who think that Obama would be an excellent candidate and should be respected by Democrats leading up to the process.

I refuse to chew up any of our potential candidates who are willing to spend time/energy/money to talk about the critical issues that face the American people.

BRAVO for your post.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:12 PM
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9. Obama a warmonger???????
:crazy:
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let us vote Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:23 PM
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13. I'm not a right-winger so I don't like Obama
There was a speaker from the "Black Commentator" on Pacific on Saturday. Liberal blacks are angry at Obama for selling them out.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:38 AM
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2. Edwards/Obama ticket!
That's my choice.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:29 AM
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4. That's a good ticket
I like Hillary, and will vote for her in the primary if she runs, but I like Edwards, I like Obama, but I don't think Obama should be at the top of the ticket at this point in his career. He's so young, he can wait another 4-8 years to run at the top of it, especially if he is VP for someone first.

I wish Kerry would just stay out of it. He has foot in mouth disease too frequently for my comfort.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:56 AM
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6. Have wanted the Edwards/Obama ticket for some time
:thumbsup:
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:30 PM
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18. That's what I want too
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 07:31 PM by liberalpragmatist
Now, I could easily go for an Obama-led ticket as well. It's just that I love both of them and want them both to get to be President and there's no way Edwards goes for No. 2 again. Either he gets the nomination or he drops the presidential ambitions.

That's a ticket with serious dynamism though. Two young, telegenic, charismatic progressives. They'd win. And we'd have a great chance at sealing in 16 years of Democratic rule.
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jbonkowski Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:53 AM
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5. No way he is running for top post
He said he was watching the Ford race in Tenn. before making a decision. Not only did Ford lose, but race became an issue in the last days of the campaign. This will probably discourage him from running. He COULD see the possibility of winning more western states, and not needing to win any southern states, but that is not a safe strategy, yet.

The article lists Obama, Edwards, and Clinton as favorites. We should remember that at this point before '92 and '00, neither Clinton nor Bush II were on most people's radar. I have a feeling someone else will be on the short list with them a year from now.

jim
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:46 PM
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8. Obama is not afraid of his race ~he is proud of his race

and does not see it as an obstacle.

If he listened to those that would believe RACE should be a Stop Sign for him, he would not be a Senator.

Nor would he have graduated with high honors from Harvard.

He is not color blind and he is far from foolish.

Harold Ford is not color blind and he is far from foolish.

If we as African Americans always stopped to consider what White people would think of us we would still be in slavery.

Both are guided by the words of Dr. Martin L. King Jr.

For Obama to run would be a tribute to MLK, especially in the minds of the African Americans that support the Democratic Party.

PEACE




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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:38 PM
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10. Edwards/Obama
A hopeful ticket
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:07 PM
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11. After the last few years of watching
and speculating about all the possible secret motivations of the repukes, I've realized that the way I view all of this stuff is unfortunately VERY jaded. I don't want to believe that this pre-primary posturing is all about political calculations, I just can't help myself anymore.

When reading this, one of the first things that came to my mind, I'm sad to say, was that this was a political calculation. Edwards and Obama are pretty young, and could be possible presidential rivals for many years to come. If Obama were to throw his hat in the ring, he would pose a significant threat to Hillary's presidential aspirations. If Hillary indeed wants to be president, she would have to get Obama out of the way. She could either try to do this with the carrot or the stick. If she uses the stick, she could potentially damage Obama's campaign (as well as her own, for attacking him). This would certainly be advantageous to an Edwards campaign. Depending on the extent of the damage (and I have no idea if she would attack him, about what, or if it would be effective) it could hurt Obama for elections beyond 2008, opening a door for Edwards in 2012 or even 2016.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:32 PM
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19. Edwards knows this is it
He's out of office. He has sufficient goodwill from his '04 presidential and Vice-Presidential runs. He knows that '08 is his last (and best) shot, however. If he loses the nomination, he's out of electoral politics (at least at the presidential level).
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:14 PM
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12. A one term semator of questionable judgment
to a 1/3 term senator of questionable judgment. Seems to me they're both too big for their britches.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:29 PM
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14. I think he'd have an easier time winning in 2016
Especially if he spends the previous eight years looking over a president's shoulder!

:headbang:
rocknation
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:38 PM
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15. Edwards isn't dumb
He wants Obama to officially do it because he know that Obama takes out Hillary. Period. Just a hunch.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:39 PM
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16. Clinton/Emanuel
:headbang:
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:03 PM
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17. Obama lacks gravitas. I think the public will be looking for someone
with more experience, after 8 years with the crooks and jackasses we have in there now.

Whoever the Dem candidate is, he/she will be a better president than Bush has been, by far.

I would like to see Obama, Kerry, and Clinton stay in the Senate.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:09 PM
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21. Obama lacks gravitas?
I don't think you'll find many people who agree with you there. :rofl:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:48 PM
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20. Edwards/Obama
:bounce:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:31 AM
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22. Emanuel/Clark
:applause:
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