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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:55 AM
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AP: Annan says U.S. 'trapped in Iraq'
Annan says U.S. 'trapped in Iraq'

The Associated Press
Published: November 21, 2006

GENEVA: U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Tuesday that the United States
was "trapped in Iraq," and urged Washington to carefully consider when would
be the best time to pull out of the country so the withdrawal does not lead to a
further deterioration of security.

"The United States in a way is trapped in Iraq," Annan said. "It cannot stay and
it cannot leave. There are those who maintain that its presence is a problem
and there are those who say that if it leaves precipitously, the situation will
get worse."

Annan said the departure of U.S. troops from Iraq "should not lead to a further
deterioration of the situation." The goal should be to leave when Iraqi authorities
can ensure a "reasonable, secure environment," he said.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/21/news/UN_GEN_UN_Iraq.php
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:04 AM
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1. Monkey-Boy turned the clock back thirty years



Only this time we don't have Ho Chi Minh to deal with.


AWOL Smirky didn't consider the past and now he has condemned all of us to repeat it.






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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:26 AM
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4. THE BONER THAT BROUGHT A COUNTRY DOWN

We had the world by the balls and "DUNDERHEAD" alias " DUB-YA" alias" the "chimp" and his mentor "the ever-ready fool" aka "GO BETWEEN" AKA "THE FU BOY" AKA"THE PROBABLY EX INTEL
FOOL "CHENNY". THE ROQUE!
DECIDED THAT THEY KNEW MORE THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD. AND NOW THE COUNTRY IS CLOSE TO BANKURTCY;THEIR BOTH LAUGHING STOCKS IN THE DIPLOMATIC FIELD. OUR COUNTRY IS IN GREAT DANGER
BOTH ECCONOMICLY AND MILITARIALY AND THE FOOLS STILL THINK THEIR RIGHT!
We are no longer a super power,but merely a country with weapons that no one trusts.
we no longer have the respects of the world;but their distaste.
we no longer have honor ;but hang our heads in shame.
we no longer provide for our people;but enslave them in debt
we no longer help the less fortunate;but steal their country's future.
HISTORY WILL RECORD THESE PAST FEW YEARS AS THE DEMISE OF A GREAT NATION FULL OF HOPE AND HONOR TO A SHAMBLE OF GREED AND CORROUPTION.
HOW MANY OTHER GREAT NATIONS HAVE FALLEN THIS WAY? WILL MAN EVER LEARN?
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:08 AM
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2. Interesting. So Annan thinks we can only make things even worse
the longer we stay. wadda mess!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:11 AM
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3. uh-oh!
What now?! The head of the UN implies that an immediate withdrawal would be a disaster. Maybe Annan can make up for his "biggest failure" and help out!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:10 AM
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5. not really-----but need Political WILL to get out
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:26 AM
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6. You've got to let me know . . .
. . . should I stay or should I go.

If I stay there will be trouble.

If I go it will be double.



Seems I've hear this tune before.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:50 AM
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7. The Spider and the Fly
The Spider and the Fly

The Spider and the Fly


August 21, 2003
By Michael Shannon

As you read this another act of sabotage is being considered, planned or carried out, another "improvised explosive device" is being planted, another 18-year-old American kid from some town you never heard of is staring out into the pitch-black desert night straining to see what is or is not staring back at him, another Iraqi family is sweltering through yet another broiling late summer day with no electricity to ease the sting, another 18-year-old Shia from some town you never heard of is contemplating jihad against the American infidel, and another American family just opened their front door to two military officers in their class A's, there to tell them that Johnny wont be coming home.

Only the most ill-informed or fanatically partisan person would argue that the post-war situation in Iraq is going according to plan. However, that is precisely what some of the most devoted sycophants within the Bush administration - aided by some of the most shameless toadies from without - remain committed to convince you and I of. And while even the most addled of them balk at attempting to portray the effort as a whole as a shining and glorious highlight in the history of America, they all focus on one aspect in which they steadfastly maintain that the plan is working as designed.

Their contention is a simple one: the continuation of combat in Iraq is - contrary to popular wisdom and all supporting evidence thereof - beneficial to the United States and its interests. They claim that by engaging not only the Iraqi insurgents but also by drawing other militant Islamic warriors into the Iraqi theater we are not only fighting these people in a site of our choosing but by their very presence in Iraq they are not free to wield their wickedness elsewhere. It was David Warren, writing in his Essays On Our Times website, July 5, 2003, who gave this line of thinking its nom de guerre: The Flypaper Strategy.

This thoroughly repugnant term, which has been picked up by other conservative writers - Andrew Sullivan in particular - directly implies that the soldiers of the American Armed Forces are the bait to a trap from which our Islamic enemies will enter but not leave alive. President Bush proved that he himself is a big proponent of the strategy with his remarkably ill-considered challenge to "bring 'em on," issued a few weeks back from the safety and comfort of the White House. But where he and all the other adherents to this philosophy have failed is in not asking themselves who exactly in this wretched situation is the spider and who is the fly.

As the reality that the US is involved in an ongoing guerilla war within Iraq has become ever less deniable, the upper levels of the political and military leadership here in the United States have gone to great lengths to pigeonhole those who oppose the American forces as Saddam loyalists and/or criminal "deadenders." With the shift in strategy evident the past several weeks by those who resist the US occupation to include non-military sites as targets, those labels no longer seem to be operable. Mr Warren and his ilk should have been more careful in what they had wished for, because it seems as though it has been granted.

Neil MacFarquhar writing in the New York Times on August 11, 2003, reports, "in much the same way that the Russian invasion of Afghanistan stirred an earlier generation of young Muslims determined to fight the infidel, the American presence in Iraq is prompting a rising tide of Muslim militants to spill into the country to fight the foreign occupier." While it remains highly speculative that the manpower and resources deployed in Iraq by non-Iraqi guerilla fighters/terrorists has left the Islamic militant movement unable to strike elsewhere, it is this kind of reporting that shows that the second tenet of The Flypaper Strategy may actually hold some water.

Whether it does or not, does not change the reality of life on the ground in Iraq for our soldiers. They are the ones that by design or circumstance find themselves squarely in the bull's eye and with an ever increasing burden of sites and places to protect. And while there is no question that as a matter of military prowess and power the American Armed Forces are superior in every measurable way to their Iraqi foes, the steadily rising death toll shows that our young men and women bleed and die just like soldiers always have.

The United States may have every advantage in the tangible methods and means of warfare. It is in the intangibles, particularly time, where the Iraqi/Islamic fighters have a distinct advantage. For the spider is perfectly content sit and wait for his victim to come to him.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:52 AM
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8. We are indeed trapped; and the Security Council did fail
But the UN had about as good a chance of stopping it as the millions of people in the U.S. and around the world did. Bush was bound and determined to have a war, a war that would show Daddy, secure his place in history, enrich his buddies, and re-make the world (not necessarily in that order). It was the fever dream of a teen-ager, and it wasn't going to be stopped.

Annan is correct that the U.S. is now trapped. But it's now up to the UN to demand that U.S. troops be withdrawn, to organize a multi-national peacekeeping and security force dedicated to getting Iraq up and running (and keep the partisans separated, at least temporarily), and to have the U.S. pay for it all. And we should pay for it, if not with a smile then at least with a free and open hand.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:20 AM
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10. I hadn't thought of that -- yes, it should be the UN making those demands
If it were any other nation, they almost certainly would be making a lot more noise.

Hmmmm. I think Russia and China are quite happy to kick back and watch the US squander troops, money, and prestige in Iraq.
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termo Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:13 PM
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11. waiting for christmas ?
There won't be any multi-national peacekeeping force, you are on your own.
good luck
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:34 PM
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13. Probably not
But when I hear the tired old refrain of "so what's your plan, huh, huh, huh?" now that we've driven off the cliff, that's what I have to say. I know that the neocons who lied us into this war aren't going to like it, but the best, cheapest, and fastest way out of this swamp is for us to pay for everyone else to extricate us.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:53 AM
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9. We Are Trapped In A Bush Delusion, Not In Iraq!
and all we have to do is shout from the streets "There's NO Place Like Home!" and throw the bastards out of the country.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:37 PM
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12. BULL!
"The United States in a way is trapped in Iraq," Annan said. "It cannot stay and
it cannot leave. There are those who maintain that its presence is a problem
and there are those who say that if it leaves precipitously, the situation will
get worse."

Annan said the departure of U.S. troops from Iraq "should not lead to a further
deterioration of the situation." The goal should be to leave when Iraqi authorities
can ensure a "reasonable, secure environment," he said.


We should get the hell out, and get the hell out now. We've dumped enough money and death into their country. Let the Iraqis sort out their problems on their own.
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