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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 08:11 AM
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Tens of Thousands Rally in South Korea (against a free-trade agreement with the United States)

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt_top.jsp?news_id=ap-d8lk1glg0&

Tens of Thousands Rally in South Korea

Saturday November 25, 5:17 AM EST

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Tens of thousands of South Korean workers rallied Saturday against a free-trade agreement with the United States, calling for the proposed deal to be scrapped.

The protesters, estimated by police to number 30,000, gathered on a plaza in front of Seoul city hall, chanting slogans against the planned accord.

They unfurled two huge banners, one of which read "Stop the Korea-U.S. FTA" in Korean.

The protest was peaceful and took place amid a minimal police presence. On Wednesday, an estimated 65,000 workers participated in nationwide rallies and strikes against the pact.

FULL story at link above.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 09:03 AM
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1. Koreans have some balls and a social conscience.
Both missing from the majority of the American populace (the PC police will complain if I call them sheeple, despite them richly meriting the term. The PC Police here will complain about damn near anything anymore, but that is a subject for another post.) You can hardly get more than a fraction of a percent of the Americans of their collective asses for anything and out in the streets for any event, no matter how egregious. We are too sedated, too uncaring, too busy.
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 11:03 AM
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2. you bet your ass Koreans have balls...
at WTO meetings...korean farmers are always on the front lines...


ever see the footage of when Korean auto workers striking?
crazy...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 05:51 PM
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5. Why is it PC to note FACTS about the American people, such as...
56% of the American people opposed the Iraq war, way back before the invasion, in Feb. '03. That would be a landslide in a presidential election.

And it's up to about 70% today. Not stupid, uninformed people. Disenfranchised, yeah. Perhaps too trusting in our democratic institutions (such as the election system). Perhaps mind-boggled by the 24/7 propaganda from the war profiteering corporate news monopolies that the progressive majority is the minority.

And we did, after all, put a million people on the streets against the war. Also, 50,000 Americans participated in an awesome anti-free trade, anti-WTO protest in Seattle in 1999--before the Bush Junta--and peacefully shut down the WTO, in the most slandered protest in our history.

Many of the people who were there were also in Cancun a few years later--or helped in the organization--where the third world finally took on the WTO, in a 20-country rebellion led by Brazil.

The American people are at the vortex of evil in the world. Our country is the spawning ground for the global corporate predators who are oppressing the world's poor, and have now turned on us as well. Therefore, the efforts to brainwash our people, and to fix our elections, are especially intense, massive and well thought out.

I think the American people are doing pretty well in this circumstance. And the revolution here may not happen in the same way that it happens elsewhere. We have truly humongous problems to deal with--one of them being this war machine leach that is sucking out our life and slaughtering and oppressing others. We find it almost unthinkable to imagine NOT having such a war machine. We should be cutting back the military budget by about 90%, to a true defensive posture. (No more wars of choice!) But that isn't even whispered in the war profiteering corporate news monopoly "public discourse." Most Democratic Party leaders would be horrified at the idea--for both militaristic and economic reasons.

You see what I mean. Our political establishment are the "lords of the earth," second only to their Corporate Ruler masters. Among other things, we've seen the mind-boggling silence of our party leadership as Bushite corporations took over our election system, with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in all these insecure, unreliable and extremely insider hackable electronic voting machines that have spread like a cancer across our nation.

We can barely keep up with the Corporate Rulers' oppressive schemes to silence us and dominate all others. People here are just catching on to the e-voting scam. There has been an IRON CURTAIN over "news" of this astonishing coup, which is only just lifting a little--although word of mouth has successfully gotten information to people. (We had a huge voter rebellion against the machines in these recent midterms--hardly noticed by anybody--in the form of Absentee Ballot voting--ordinary people trying to figure out a way around the rigged electronics.)

We have the war profiteering corporate news monopolies to deal with--which spread disinformation here, and everywhere else. We have an opposition party that is only just coming back to life, after years of inroads by the Corporate Rulers. We have a block of Dems in Congress who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus.

And that ain't the half of it. We have a MOUNTAIN of problems to solve before we even get to solving the nitty-gritty problems that directly affect our lives (skyrocketing costs of medical care, education, energy, and credit card interest rates, bankruptcy protection for the poor, the prison-industrial complex, pollution, environmental devastation, potential loss of the entire planet, etc., etc.), and before we can begin to implement policies that are helpful, and not devastating, to other countries.

So, anyway, to just berate the American people for not "taking to the streets" doesn't really help. Their will has been defeated in successive elections (and was not fully reflected in the recent one). They have reason to believe that the Bushites don't care a crap what they think--are immune to public opinion--so what's the use of street protests? You have to have some belief that they will INFLUENCE your leaders, to go to all that trouble. Also, this is a huge country. Where is the Bastille? Washington DC is an armed fortress, and those in charge really, really don't care what any protesters have to say. So, what are you asking for--for people to go running around willy-nilly in scattered protests all over the landscape, which will be completely ignored--or, at best, marginalized--by the corporate news monopolies?

What do you envision?

I've envisioned a massive multi-million person sit-down protest in Washington DC. We go there. We sit down in the streets. We don't move--until? Bush-Cheney are impeached? The last US soldier in Iraq has come home? Something like that. Me? I couldn't go (for compelling personal reasons). But I would certainly help organize and support it--if it got traction. I do believe in witness--and also, with some winds of change in the air, now might be the time to do it.

But I actually think that that kind of energy needs first to be addressed to the election system. Without transparent elections, we have little or no power to change any policy or bring about reform. It's a humbler task, that needs to take place in local/state jurisdictions all over the country. (We must not depend on even a Democratic Congress to fix it at all, or adequately--and they could even make it worse.)

As I said, the revolution might happen differently here. I tend to believe that this huge Absentee Ballot vote in the last elections was the beginning of it.


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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 10:23 AM
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7. Well Said
Taking it to the streets gets one very little these days.

Back in the sixties, only ten thousand demostrators disrupted the Chicago Democratic Convention. Today we can bring a half million people to the streets and it barely gets a mention on the evening news.

Two million people closed down Mexico's capital for three weeks and they got nothing for all their efforts. In fact over here they never even got on the network news.

Protesting in the streets is not the way to change governments.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 11:54 AM
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3. Glad to see the Koreans standing up to Terrorists r US.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 12:04 PM
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4. FTA = Fuck the Asians
Edited on Sat Nov-25-06 12:06 PM by IndianaGreen
Vets will remember a different meaning for FTA.

There is nothing "free" about all of these trade agreements the US is pushing in Korea and in other parts of the world. When the US speaks of freedom and democracy one must remember that by "freedom" America means the freedom of capital to move unimpeded across national borders, and by "democracy" America is speaking of the political power that one has based upon the amount of capital one holds.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 10:08 AM
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6. It's not as if S.Koreans are against cheap, slave-like labor, though
There are ghettos/slums in Seoul teeming with immigrants from Indonesia and India, who work the same kind of 16-hour-days in S.Korean factories that the Chinese slave-laborers do in China. South Korea has its own little "globalist" exploitative economy that it runs.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 10:37 AM
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8. I think you're missing the point. It's the Korean workers' reaction to those who
seek to impose wage-slavery conditions that is the issue, and is so commendable. Nobody was saying they were protesting against nice guys.
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