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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:16 AM
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Informant in shooting says he never bought drugs at house
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/11/27/1127metshoot_html.html

An informant who narcotics officers say led them to the house where an elderly woman was killed in a drug raid is accusing the officers of asking him to lie about his role, Atlanta police Chief Richard Pennington said Monday.

The informant, who has not been identified, complained to department officials that the drug investigators involved in the bust had asked him to go along with a story they concocted after the shooting, said Pennington. He said the informant had been placed in protective custody.

All seven narcotics investigators involved in the raid have been suspended with pay pending the outcome of the investigation, Pennington said. Their names were not made public.

From the beginning, it has been unclear why police targeted the house on Neal Street, and the affidavit and warrant documents shed little light. The documents do not suggest that police had been keeping the house under surveillance and provide no rationale for entering it other than the informant's alleged buy earlier in the afternoon. The raid did not produce the cocaine, money, computers and other equipment related to the drug business alleged in the affidavit. The documents listed the only resident as Sam, who was described as at least 6 feet tall and 250 to 260 pounds. Johnston's family said she lived alone.

Much more at the link. This one has suddenly gotten really ugly.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:19 AM
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1. I read about this earlier today...
...and I was rather shocked, to say the least.

What a mess ~~ and a 92-year-old woman was shot to death. :cry:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:24 AM
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2. From my perspective it is open warfare on black folks in America.
That's how I feel. This is some sad ass sick shit.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:46 AM
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11. I feel the exact same way
In fact I was just getting ready to post a link to the bootcamp story and saw that you responded to my post on that thread. We're definitely on the same page.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:48 AM
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12. What I can't understand is when will it be against the law to shoot an unarmed black person?
Apparently they can just shoot and investigate later.

THAT IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:44 AM
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3. Can you spell republican? This is exactly what they want. A police
state. The patriot act, unwarranted searches and spying, no heabus corpus, internment camps for protesters, etc. Welcome to the new century.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:52 AM
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4. While that may be true
I don't think this incident is proof of that. There have been vicious, corrupt police under the leadership of both parties, for years and years. This probably points to a massive breakdown in process and morality within the Atlanta PD. I'd hesitate to lay the blame for every bad cop on GWB (tempting as it might be).

The Menezes shooting in the UK had a legitimate political dimension. I'm not convinced this one has. This one looks more like a horrifying example of what happens when you give rigid authoritarians too much power with too few restraints, then surround and protect them with a hierarchy that systematically ignores or encourages the abuse of that power.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:32 PM
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37. best analysis ever...
to paraphrase that comic book from homer simpson

We do need to look past political party for this one. Otheriwse we will never solve the problem and poor Ms. Jounston wil just be one in a long line of statistics.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:27 PM
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42. Partially agree, but..... the many law enforcement officers have said they love the
freedom the patriot act provides them. If nothing else it sets the tone for more of a police state. Elimination of heabus corpus and warrants for wiretaps and spying have given the go ahead for a new police state.
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:20 PM
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36. Please....
This is Atlanta. Mayor Franklin is a Democrat. Chief Pennington is a Democrat. This has nothing to do with political party and everything to do with drug laws.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:31 PM
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43. This isn't only in Atlanta. Look at the police killings in NY. Republicans
have wanted to reduce restriction on the police for a long time and used 9/11 to justify the patriot act. Were you aware that civil disobedience can be considered acts of terrorism. Combine that with the new "torture law" individuals that protest can be arrested for terrorism and held indefinitely. This probably won't be enforced to that degree until the next 9/11 then hold on to your butt.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:45 PM
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45. Locals are Democrats but your media is mostly Republican
and the Bend Over Congress that passed the rights eroding legislation was Republican. The same party whose base dresses up in 300 count threads to vote and to spoil Black votes.

But, in a way, it's more about corporatists acting via the Thuggery. L.A. is in no better shape and there are a bunch of local Democrats there as well.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:11 AM
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5. Lying, dirty crooks
I hope everyone involved gets locked up for life.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:24 AM
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6. The worst thing that will happen...
..is the cops get fired, and I doubt that they all will, if any.

Mark my words.
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napingo Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:59 AM
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15. The most likely thing that will happen...
is that the cops will get promoted faster.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:35 AM
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7. The lady did pull a gun on the cops
And the cops did not know whether she was dangerous or not. I am not condoning killing a 92 year old woman, and especially not condoning any no knock raids, but let's look at this thing with some neutrality. Police asre trained to defend themselves, the neighborhood isn a bad place, and the woman pulled a gun. So what were they supposed to think? And another story that is making rounds is that the rat, er,informant may have lied. If that is the case, then the cops were just following orders.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:41 AM
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8. huh?
The cops told the guy to lie. Where does the following orders part come in?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:42 AM
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9. She was only in her home, minding her own business
And trying to defend herself from what she probably thought were dangerous intruders-- we do still have THAT right left in this country. My problem is not so much in them making a mistake, but in them trying to cover it up with lies that add insult to this poor woman's fatal injury. I haven't seen the other story making the rounds, but all the evidence points to this woman doing NOTHING wrong and the battle of who did something wrong should leave her name out of it. RIP Mrs. Johnston.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:43 AM
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10. Sorry, but she was in her home....
...and some armed men broke down her door and entered without permission.

Just thought I would add those minor details to your post...

For what it's worth, I would be dead also as there is no way I will allow armed men to kick down my door and enter my house without trying to blow them all to hell.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:54 AM
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13. Sure, the woman lived in a not particularly great neighborhood
And while she was asleep, the police started breaking in. These things usually go down like this:

Bang bang bang, Police, open up
BANG, burglar door knocked down
BANG, front door knocked down, police swarming in, yelling cussing etc.

Notice, there is no space, no time between any of these actions. They are very quick, supposedly to prevent suspects from either fleeing or flushing the evidence. So the old lady probably woke with the first knock, didn't comprehend what was being yelled(just coming out of sleep and all), and when the doors started coming down, she probably thought a home invasion was on. Frankly, I would think the same thing, and probably would react the same way. You simply cannot have this sort of action going down, especially at night. Whatever happened to knocking on the door, surrounding the house, and waiting for the owner to open up? Oh, yeah, making sure you get potential evidence is much more important than saving lives:eyes:
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:27 PM
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21. The local Atlanta news this morning
mentioned that the cops were in SWAT gear, black pants, shirts, and ski masks. This poor woman was scared to death. I do have to think she gets a little justice in the fact that at 92, in the dark with men breaking her door down, she hits THREE of them.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:32 PM
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26. There was no "Bang bang bang, Police, open up"
It was a "no knock" warrant.

I'm surprised the poor woman didn't die of a heart attack.

After the facts now coming out, I wish she would have aimed for the head.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 02:57 PM
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30. My bad, last I heard the cops were claiming that it wasn't a no knock
Not that there's much difference, perhaps three seconds are so. Actually I think her aim was pretty good, from what I've read she nailed a guy in the arm, one in the leg, and a third dead center in the chest. If not for the body armor. . .
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 03:44 PM
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33. There's been three stories so far, and the cops lied twice
First the cops said they were shot at while APPROACHING the house.

Then they said they were shot at when identifying themselves BEFORE they entered the house.

Now we find out they cops didn't identify themselves and were shot AFTER they broke the door down without knocking.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:18 PM
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19. You need to read the story AGAIN.
The cops weren't "following orders"; there were no orders.

The Informant is saying the cops made up the "drug dealer
at that address" story AFTER the shooting.

AFTER.

They had -NO- valid reason to be there in the first place.
The explanation they have offered is a LIE that they made
up AFTER they broke down her door and shot her.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:52 PM
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23. Three tough-looking guys kick in your door in a really bad neighborhood...
and over the din of your door crashing in, they're yelling something unintelligible. You've done nothing illegal that you aware of, so you think there's not the slightest chance in the world that these are police. And you're an elderly woman, and you know that an elderly female neighbor was recently raped in her home.

What's your reaction, as the door crashes in? "Excuse me, boys, but would you hold on a minute--and please put those bright flashlights down, so I can see what that says on your shirt?" Or do you make the obvious assumption, the assumption that since you're not a criminal, whoever is kicking your door in isn't the police?

This looks increasingly like the police put down the wrong address on the warrant, raided an innocent woman's house BY MISTAKE, did so by breaking in like criminals before announcing themselves (per this morning's New York Times article, anyway), and then pressured an informant to lie in order to smear the innocent victim and cover up their lethal mistake. Can't say for sure that's what happened--yet--but it's beginning to look like it.

If you are a law-abiding citizen, and I kick your door in, and you start shooting at me in fear of your life, I can't legally shoot back and claim self-defense, even though you are shooting at me--because it was my kicking your door down and barging into your house that prompted your response. If I shoot back and kill you, I'd be prosecuted for second-degree murder at best, first-degree at worst.

Just because the officers had a signed warrant doesn't make it right that they kicked in this lady's door and shot her down. The raid was a mistake, it was carried out with gross negligence, the people involved apparently realized that after the fact, and tried to cover it up. Now, the FBI is investigating it as obstruction of justice.

I predict that departments around the country will be doing some serious soul-searching about the casual use of dynamic entries (especially no-knocks), and finding ways to avoid careless mistakes that can get innocent people killed. This woman wasn't the first person killed in a wrong-address dynamic entry, unfortunately, but I do hope she is the LAST.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:37 PM
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27. It doesn't appear to be a mistake or wrong address at all
It's beginning to look like the cops wanted a made-for-TV moment and picked a house at random in a Black neighborhood.

The informant wasn't told to lie about house until AFTER the cops broke down the door and killed that poor woman.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 02:05 PM
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29. Well, they didn't have any cameras on-scene...
and shooting an elderly woman probably wasn't the sort of publicity they would have wanted.

Wrong-address raids are rare, but common enough that this would fit the pattern. From a thread on another board:

Here, a brief list of cases to put the Ms. Johnston's death into its proper context. Let's start in Georgia:

# Xavier Bennett: In 1991, police in Dekalb County conduct a 2:30am no-knock raid on the home of Bobby Bowman, a man they suspect of possessing cocaine. They were right. He did, though only enough to identify him as a user, not a dealer. What they didn't expect is that his 8-year-old stepson Xavier Bennett would be inside, too. When Bowman, who says he thought he was being invaded, met police with a gun, the boy was killed in the crossfire. No disciplinary actions were taken against the police.

So police conduct a dangerous no-knock on a home where a child's inside. The child dies. Police blame the father of the child for (1) possessing cocaine, and (2) not realizing the raiding party was police.


# Deputy John Whitehead. In 2006, police in Macon conduct a 1:30 am raid on a suspected drug house. Residents of the house say they were startled from sleep, believed they were being robbed, and shot to defend themselves. In the process, the shoot and kill Dep. Whitehead. Once the resident realize they're being raided by police and not gang members, they surrender immediately. Prosecutors charge all five residents with murder, including two who had nothing to do with the shooting, one who wasn't even home at the time of the raid. Two face the death penalty. The sheriff later says of the raid, "It just went wrong."

So if you mistake midnight-raiding police for intruders and there are drugs in your home, your mistake means the death penalty. If your roommates possess drugs and mistake raiding police for intruders and shoot and kill an officer, you're looking at a murder charge.

Source: Phillip Ramati and Joe Kovac Jr., "'It just went wrong,' sheriff says of slaying," Macon Telegraph, April 5, 2006.

Cheryl Lynn Noel. In January 2005, police in Baltimore conduct an early-morning, no-knock raid on the the Noel home after finding marijuana seeds and traces of cocaine in the family trash. Noel, who's step-daughter had been murdered years earlier, retrieves a legally registered handgun when she hears the sound of home invaders rushing up her steps. A SWAT officer kicks open her door, and Noel, in her nightgown, is clutching the gun, not pointed, when he enters. The SWAT officer, wearing a bulletproof vest and helmet, and carrying a bulletproof ballistics shield, hits Noel twice from the doorway, then shoots her a third time from point-blank range. She dies.

Noel had no criminal record (her husband did, but his offense took place 35 years ago). She conducted Bible-study classes on her lunch breaks. Twenty months after the raid, and probably not coincidentally just weeks after the Noel family filed a civil rights suit, the Baltimore County Police Department awarded the officer who shot and killed Noel a medal for "bravery, courage, and valor" in shooting her.

So if you're a woman whose daughter has been murdered, and you mistake raiding police for criminal intruders, your punishment is death, and the officer who shoots you not only isn't disciplined, he's given an award.

Sources: Joseph M. Giordano, "Woman is shot, killed by police in drug raid," Dundalk Eagle, January 27, 2005; Joseph M. Giordano, "Petition reflects anguish," Dundalk Eagle, March 31, 2005; my own reporting.

# Tony Martinez. On December 20, 2001, police in Travis County, Texas storm a mobile home on a no-knock drug warrant. Nineteen-year-old Tony Martinez, nephew of the man named in the warrant, is asleep on the couch at the time of the raid. Martinez was never suspected of any crime. When Martinez rises from the couch as police break into the home, deputy Derek Hill shoots Martinez in the chest, killing him. Martinez is unarmed.

A grand jury later declines to indict Hill in the shooting, and he continues his employment wit the police department. The same Travis County paramilitary unit would later erroneously raid a woman's home after mistaking ragweed for marijuana plants.

So if police conduct a no-knock raid and mistakenly kill a completely innocent, unarmed person, it's no one's fault, because these raids are naturally dangerous and volatile, and it's easy to see how mistaken identity might happen.

Sources: Clair Osborn, "Survivors sue Travis county over fatal raid," Austin American-Statesman, May 10, 2003, p. B1; Claire Osborn, "Deputy not indicted in drug raid death," Austin American-Statesman, April 4, 2002.

# Edwin Delamora. On February 15, 2001, the same task force that would later mistakenly shoot and kill Tony Martinez raids the Del Valle, Texas mobile home of Edwin Delamora, who lives with his wife and two children. As two deputies beat down his door with a battering ram, Delamora fires through the door, fearing he is under attack. His wife is on the phone with 911 at the time he fires. One bullet from his gun strikes and kills sheriff's deputy Keith Ruiz.

Delamora had no previous criminal record, and his defense says the raid on his home was influenced by an anonymous informant who turned out to be the brother of two sheriff's deputies. Information about the informant's relationship with the police was suppressed at trial.

Delamora was eventually convicted of capital murder, and sentenced to life in prison. Police found less than an ounce of methamphetamine and one ounce of marijuana in his home. Prosecutors declined to seek the death penalty because of substantial doubt about whether or not Delamora knew the people outside his door were police. That decision sparked heavy criticism from Texas Attorney General John Cornyn (now a U.S. Senator), who moved for a law requiring the death penalty to be an option in any capital murder case.

Time magazine would later report that people in the community were suspicious of the narcotics task force, describing the team's general attitude as "those task-force guys were Rambo wannabes."

So if men are attempting to break into your home, and you mistake them for criminal intruders -- bolstered by the fact that your wife calls 911 -- you get no deference for the volatility or confrontational nature of SWAT raids. Mistake a cop for an intruder when firing your gun, and you're going to jail for a long, long time. And God help you if there's some dope in your house, too. When a member of the same SWAT team later mistakes and unarmed, innocent man for a deadly threat, and consequently shoots and kills him, the police officer won't even be disciplined, much less sent to jail.

Sources: John Cloud, "Guarding Death's Door," Time, July 14, 2003; Jordan Smith, "Another Drug War Casualty," Austin Chronicle, July 19, 2002; "Delamora attorney says key facts were withheld," Austin American-Statesman, July 29, 2002, p. A1; "Cornyn: Death penalty must be option when officer killed," Associated Press, July 25, 2002.

# Meredith "Buddy" Sutherland. On October 4, 2002, police raid a home in Windsor, Pennsylvania on suspicion of drug activity. Once inside, police go from room to room in the dark home. Trooper Gregory Broaddus enters a bedroom where Meredith "Buddy" Sutherland, Jr. is sleeping. Sutherland doesn't live in the house, but is visiting a friend. Officer Broaddus mistakenly believes Sutherland to be clutching a weapon when he enters the room, and fires, striking Sutherland. Sutherland has no weapon, and would never be charged with a crime. He spent 11 days in a coma, and nearly three weeks in the hospital.

Other occupants of the home were eventually charged with drug crimes. Sutherland sued in June 2004 for redress for his injuries. The state attorney general in turn asked that the suit be dismissed, arguing that the officer in question had qualified immunity, and that, incredulously, Sutherland himself was responsible for his own injuries.

So if you are an innocent person visiting a friend whose roommates are involved in drug activity, if a police officer mistakes something you're holding as you're lying in your bed for a gun, it's your fault for, I guess, lying there so guilty-looking, and your punishment is eleven days in a coma.

Sources: Elizabeth Evans, "Man sues over drug-raid injury; SWAT-type team hit Windsor home," York Dispatch, June 9, 2004. Elizabeth Evans, "Shooting victim home; Family of man wounded in raid considers lawsuit," York Dispatch, October 23, 2002.

# James Hoskins. In February 2004, Middletown, Pennsylvania police storm the home of James Hoskins on a drug warrant. They are looking for Hoskins' brother Jim, whom they eventually arrest for possessing "a small amount of marijuana, a glass pipe, and about $622," according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

From his bed, Hoskins hears the loud thud of police breaking into his home. Naked and unarmed, he gets up to investigate. As he approaches the door, a Middletown detective pushes his way into Hoskins' bedroom. Hoskins and his girlfriend say the detective never identified himself. The detective fires, and later explains that he mistook the t-shirt Hoskins was using to cover his genitals for a gun. The bullet enters Hoskins' abdomen, and rips through his stomach, small intestine, and colon. It eventually lodges in his leg, which must later be amputated.

It isn't until weeks later, after he emerges from a coma, that Hoskins learns the man who shot him is a police officer, and not a criminal intruder. Remarkably, the Middletown Township police department saw no need to conduct an internal investigation of the shooting until prodded by the district attorney. The officer who shot Hoskins would never be disciplined.

So if a police officer mistakes a t-shirt for a gun and shoots an innocent man, we should give him the benefit of the doubt, given the volatile and confrontational nature of SWAT raids.

Sources: Larry King, "Man shot in apartment by police hopes for justice," Philadelphia Inquirer, April 7, 2004; "Pennsylvania Police Fail To Investigate Shooting of Unarmed Man," Associated Press, September 3, 2004; Laurie Mason and Harry Yanoshak, "Cop cleared in shooting of unarmed man," Bucks County Courier Times, April 23, 2004; Larry King, "Middletown settles police shooting; A Bristol Twp. Man had sued after a Feb. raid targeting his brother left him without his left leg," Philadelphia Inquirer, January 16, 2005, p. B8.


I can't vouch for the sources, and I am NOT cop-bashing here. I do think, however, that dynamic entries are treated far too casually by some in authority, and should be reserved for when they're needed rather than when they're convenient--and the department should be darn sure to get the RIGHT ADDRESS. And that when there is a screwup, full restitution should be made, and criminal charges should be filed as appropriate; the Fourth Amendment demands no less, IMHO.
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smb Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:33 PM
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38. This Stuff Happens All Over
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:54 PM
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35. You know, I would love to be optimistic and believe you when you say
That PDs around the country will do some serious soul searching, but both experience, and a deeply abiding cynicism in me thinks that the vast, overwhelming majority of police depts. will simply shrug their shoulders over this, and keep on doing what they're doing. It has been proceeding this way, going down this path for decades, and until there are some real penalties, including jail time for the police involved, nothing will be done. Instead, as in many other cases, the Atlanta PD will, in effect, say "Oops, my bad", hand out some token, slap on the wrist punishment to the officers involved(who will be retained on the force), and go on their merry way.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:09 AM
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46. Now that the FBI is involved, we may well get that. (n/t)
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:14 PM
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24. The cops had NO RIGHT TO BE THERE
They lied and murdered an old Black woman.

It will be a travesty if they are not brought up on 1st degree murder charges.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:18 PM
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25. She had every right to shoot them.
It's called self defense.

It's not just for white people, you know.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:52 PM
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41. excuse me? Did you read anything about this at all
besides the short blurb above? Sure does not look like it since the pigs knocked down her door, did not ID themselves before going in and were inplain-clothes. I guess she should have read the minds of these asswipes. And of course other pigs are helping to cover it up and wait for the next distraction to come along. That makes the ENTIRE Atlanta PD accomplices if they allow that to happen. if they follow the code of silence then they are as guilty as the ones who invade her house illegally.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:58 AM
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14. I wish someone would explain how the hell...
...this can be consistent:

The original articles on this shooting stated (paraphrasing) that as the cops walked up the sidewalk, three of them were shot. Then it goes on to say (again paraphrasing) that the cops then "knocked and announced."

Hello???? After three of the guys are shot, they THEN walk up to the door and knock???

Sorry, but IMO from the get-go the explanation from the cops has been total shit. And now, the the alleged CW says he never fingered that house?

Well, something is really wrong. I keep asking myself, tho, why the hell would they have any interest in a 92 year old woman? I am thinking ~~ and just merely thinking this ~~ that maybe when they phonied up the PC for the warrant, they got the wrong address. Oh, and btw, while I am pointing out inconsistencies ~~ it was a NO KNOCK warrant.

Nothing in this fits together...at all.

JMHO
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:06 PM
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18. Reflexively.
And they usually take great pleasure- very, very smug pleasure- in telling you they can lie to the public and there's nothing you can do about it.



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smb Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:36 PM
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39. The Article Forgot To Mention...
...that the names of the officers were Reed Richards and Ralph Dibny. That explains how they were able to knock while still approaching the house. :eyes:
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:21 PM
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20. IMO The Judicial Branches Of Government Should Be A Little More Adversarial Towards...
law enforcement agencies and district attorney offices. Why was a warrant issued on such slipshod "evidence". The judge involved in this shares culpability.

Jay
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:30 PM
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22. have been suspended with pay
Hooray a free paid vacation, let's shoot some more old folks....
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lithiumbomb Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:43 PM
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28. this will get ugly
I expected some negligence in this on the part of the police but this seems to be much bigger than that... which is a shame really as this area's crime levels are improving in part due to increased police presence (I live about a mile from this lady). This will most certainly be a setback. It sounds like Chief Pennington is doing the right thing for now in bringing in some outside agencies to investigate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 03:12 PM
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31. Fucking Drug war. The FBI is getting involved in this one (nt)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 03:44 PM
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32. "The complete truth will be known," Pennington said.
I have my doubts about that.

I wonder if she knew something they didn't want her to talk about.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:42 PM
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34. surprise surprise surprise - why am I not at all.
police have become a mafia who can kills us at will and never face any problem for it, worst case, they loose their job. It has to change
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:43 PM
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40. Police thugs killed the woman
Now they are covering up

No surprize that the thread that first posted this was locked

Because a lot of Police "JOCK SNIFFERS" came out of hiding.

They will be here soon defending these Criminals
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:29 PM
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44. these killers with badges are just another gang
what the cops were doing is an outrage to begin with
I EXPECT
any citizen of this country to REFUSE to commit such vile acts, they can walk off the job if need be. these tactics are UN-necesary, counterproductive and inherently harmful. Where the hell these tactics came from, who approved them, who trained our police to become fearful thugs I'd like to know.
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