McKinney introduces bill to impeach Bush

[oberliner]

WASHINGTON - In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney introduced a bill Friday to impeach President Bush.

The legislation has no chance of passing and serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush but also at Democratic leaders. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear that she will not entertain proposals to sanction Bush and has warned the liberal wing of her party against making political hay of impeachment.

McKinney, a Democrat who drew national headlines in March when she struck a Capitol police officer, has long insisted that Bush was never legitimately elected. In introducing her legislation in the final hours of the current Congress, she said Bush had violated his oath of office to defend the Constitution and the nation's laws.

In the bill, she accused Bush of misleading Congress on the war in Iraq and violating privacy laws with his domestic spying program.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061209/ap_on_go_co/mckinney_impeachment

[Critters2]

1. For those of us who'd really like to see the asswipe impeached

this doesn't help.

[stillcool]

2. I hate drive-bys...

What's your beef?

[CreekDog]

4. Consider the source: Cynthia McKinney

If she actually cared about the impeachment's success, she would have not done this, because it will hurt rather than help it happen.

[EFerrari]

6. Only for people who like kool aid. The same people think

we found WMD and that Chavez is a dictator.

[Egalitariat]

7. I lived in Decatur for awhile and DeKalb County actually had to hire

a lobbyist to represent our interests in the US Congress because our Congresswoman (whom we paid ~$150K per year) didn't. I won't miss her, and I'm proud that DeKalb County will ALWAYS send a Dem to Capitol Hill.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

39. Can you back this statement up with any reputable news source? n/t

MKJ

[EFerrari]

46. Baloney. n/t

[Cookie wookie]

94. What a crock of bull.

What we have now, thanks to those who pushed McKinney out, is little mr republican lite.

McKinney has the guts and ethics to officially call for impeachment. She's a brave, beautiful woman. Anyone who stands up for democratic rights and for the American people to Rumsfeld & Bush in the public arena, while everyone else is hiding under the tables, is the epitome of courage. After all, even though they can ruin careers (like what happened to her), if they are willing to send our troops to war on based on lies, if they are willing to commit all the crimes it appears they have committed, no one who speaks up against them can do it without looking over their shoulder. Amazing how those who put her down seem to come out of the woodwork on threads like this. Also a wonder that they never produce any evidence of wrongdoing on her part, nothing but gossip, smears, and innuendos -- or being echo chambers for the corporate media.

[stillcool]

9. bull crap...

and I am considering the source... the one that regurgitates corp-whores spin. I'm very familiar with that source as it's highly recognizable.

[Vidar]

15. So much more effective to cower & cry, "Impeachment is off the table."

[bananas]

17. Yes, consider the source: she's been right about everything so far

here's a good summary: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2884306&mesg_id=2884707

[EFerrari]

49. Well done.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

18. It 's just fine, don't worry. She's staying true to herself. :-)

MKJ

[Irreverend IX]

31. It's a parting shot at every Democrat...

This bill does two things: gives the media an opportunity to paint Dems as nuts, and makes it harder to impeach Bush should a future opportunity arrive. If the upcoming investigations turn up some serious dirt on Bush that starts a media circus and impeachment becomes a real possibility, the moment someone starts discussing it the Repugs will start running TV commercials of McKinney and try to paint every Dem as a psycho extremist. Good riddance to McKinney; she's been nothing but a liability for the party.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

36. I'll bookmark your post, and will check back later as events warrant to see if your worry is

justified.

If impeaching gwb is seriously on the table, I'll be watching for the "Cynthia McKinney is dem and she wanted impeachment and all Dems are psycho extremist ads" of which you speak.

Your post does sound to me as if you're shaking in fear of the Republic's spin. I'll publicly post an apology for that perception if those ads appear. Otherwise, I'll hope you take this back if they don't.

We'll talk again if impeachment times rolls around. :hi: MKJ

[sendero]

62. There is a time..

... for everything. It is not just an action that is necessarily correct, it is an action that happens at its proper time.

Impeachment is coming, but it is not yet time. Bush is digging his own grave, but he's still digging. Let him finish.

This action my McKinney is neither significant or unexpected.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

66. Sendero, I'd love to copy and paste your post as a reply to each

hand wringing, teeth gnashing and hair tearing post on this thread.

Thanks for calmly, and with a few well chosen words, placing this event in perspective. MKJ

[reprobate]

106. Brings to mind old southern philosophy: When someone is digging his

own grave, don't steal his shovel.

[Critters2]

118. Well said! nt

[Critters2]

41. Exactlly. McKinney takes one last opportunity to paint all Dems as

nuts. This does not help any real effort to impeach Smirk. I'm glad the people of her district saw fit to elect someone (anyone ) else. But it's a pity she felt the need to do damage to the last possible minute.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

45. Do you feel the same way about Conyers? I mean, after all, he introduced impeachment hearings long

before McKinney's bill. MKJ

[EFerrari]

47. What is your problem with her? Exactly?

And given the massive vote flipping, how in the world do you know she was voted out?

lol

[Irreverend IX]

55. She's done more harm than good to the party...

I'm not saying every Dem should be a Lieberman clone, but her demeanor hasn't been politic at all. She tussled with that DC cop and came out of it looking very pissy and arrogant. She's associated with Louis Farrakhan and other known bigots, and there was some obvious anti-Semitism among her own staff. I don't think her dad's "J-E-W-S" statement helped much either. Conyers comes off as honest and respectable, and even right-wingers have to admit that he behaves professionally as a congressman. If you're going to investigate government wrongdoing, you have to frame the issue properly and demonstrate that you have reasonable issues with those in power, and McKinney's grandstanding hasn't helped. Basically, Conyers demonstrates the right way to speak truth to power while McKinney demonstrated the wrong way.

[EFerrari]

68. If the party can't withstand strong women's voices, it needs to eat

some Wheaties.

And, if we fall for the Thug's media manipulation, so do we.

Cynthia is not Conyers. She is also not the cartoon we've been sold in the media and by the right wing and by the party leaders who left her hanging in the wind because she inconveniently speaks up. :)

[Irreverend IX]

71. Strong women's voices are no problem.

See Pelosi for more information. Stupid women's voices can cause serious problems, though. Playing nice-nice with Louis "God hates faggots and Jews" Farrakhan is not good for the party or the the progressive cause in general.

[EFerrari]

84. Nancy is my rep, and my husband and I were taken off of the Clinton

campaign to open for her when she first ran. There's not much you can tell me about Nancy.

And, I'm glad she never stupidly suggested an anti-choice guy for DNC chair.

And, I'm super glad that the Thug media have never made any Democrat (John Kerry) seem weak, stupid or simply self-serving and arrogant.

And, the icing is, I'm extra super glad no Democrat embarrassed the party with guilt by association. (Man, this list could get reallllllllllllllllllly long, couldn't it?)

What kind of progressive wants progressives to fit into an easily consumable mold, anyway? Maybe a PINO? How in the name of God's green Earth do you progress if all you try to do is hold your ground?

Never mind.

Your "big" tent could use some

[Critters2]

86. Impeachment should come after investigation

This was never about impeachment. It's just more grandstanding by someone who can't stand to be out of the limelight. It was never intended to accomplish anything.

Bye, Cynthia! :hi:

[EFerrari]

90. No, it was probably worked out with the leadership first.

I can't imagine anything coming to the floor that isn't at this point -- unless you think the Dem leadership is also completely out of control.

lol

[Critters2]

83. I encourage strong, rational women in the party,

and appreciate their leadership. But I think the rational part is important.

And McKinney only speaks up when it's convenient to her--to get her attention, to embarass other Dems. It's all about her. Always.

[EFerrari]

85. So you buy the right wing "another crazy liberal" talking point?

Wow.

[Critters2]

88. I've watched McKinney's behavior long enough to make up my own mind.

Liberal or not, I'm convinced she's crazy.

[EFerrari]

91. Please don't let me get between you and your beliefs.

:rofl:

[Moochy]

109. But she's so crazy!!!

I guess some people enjoy their right wing too much. Oh my she is so crazy! facts be damned, voting record be damned. She's not performed the proper public rituals required by beltway punditocracy!

Another poster said it well, IMO. This is insignificant in the bigger picture, and has no real chance of affecting the likelihood of impeachment in the next two years. It was merely the last chance for her to speak out on what the opposition would be doing if legislators were not so focused on getting back the White House and increasing the majority in both houses in 2008. In other words, the congress and senate in their proper role of providing oversight, should let the investigations lead where they may without regard to the committee members political careers, and without limits to the possible remedies of not-yet-started investigations.

[EFerrari]

53. Because the right wing owned media needs an excuse

to insult Democrats?

What crap. They do it every day. That's their job.

And, excuse me, the whole world knows Bush is a criminal. Any investigation we hold will be a mere formality. Hello? McFly?

A "psycho extremist"?

So, what other right wingnut talking points are you fond of?

[Cookie wookie]

95. "she's been nothing but a liability for the party".

Would you mind being more specific? Exactly how has she been "nothing but a liability..."? Because the corporate media talking heads say so?

[Ken Burch]

16. Oh, he can't handle it that Cynthia still doesn't "know her place"

n/t.

[Critters2]

119. Her constituents decided that her place is NOT in the House of Representatives

but what do they know?

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. Introducing a bill on the last day Congress is in session?

That sounds like a drive-by to me.

[stillcool]

34. that's a statement...

something Democrats in Congress are loathe to do, because of reactions like yours.

[Freddie Stubbs]

102. It seems that Ms. McKinney likes to make a lot of 'statements'

Perhaps is she had backed up some of those statements with action she would have been reelected.

[stillcool]

107. I think you have that backwards...

it is because she backed up those statements with action that she was not re-elected. I'm not buying...so you might as well quit selling. Plus this post is passe, so no one's going to view your witty quips.

[Freddie Stubbs]

110. Other than slapping a cop, what actions did she take?

:shrug:

[stillcool]

114. ah..it's you again...

.....

* H CON RES 274: Reaffirming the continued importance and applicability of the Posse Comitatus Act. (Introduced 10/25/05)
* H CON RES 405: Opposing any agreement between the Government of the United States and the Government of Nigeria to deploy United States Armed Forces to Nigeria. (Introduced 5/17/2006)
* HR 2297: To establish the Arabia Mountain National Heritage Area. (Introduced 5/11/2005)
* HR 2554: To provide for the expeditious disclosure of records relevant to the life and assassination of Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. (introduced 5/23/2005)
* HR 2690: To provide that a state may use a proportional voting system for multi-seat congressional districts, to require the use of instant runoff voting in certain elections for Federal office (introduced 5/26/2005)
* HR 3998: To provide farm debt and program relief to African American farmers who suffered discrimination in the administration of Department of Agriculture farm credit programs. (Introduced 10/6/2005)
* HR 4139: To minimize harm to populations impacted by the release of environmental contaminants, hazardous materials in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita by providing for a Comprehensive Environmental Sampling and Toxicity Assessment Plan (CESTAP) to assess and monitor air, water, soil and human populations. (Introduced 10/25/2005)
* HR 4209: To temporarily deny Federal assistance to the City of Gretna Police Department, the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, and the Crescent City Connection Division Police Department in the State of Louisiana for their maltreatment of individuals seeking aid during the Hurricane Katrina crisis. (Introduced 11/2/2005)
* HR 4279: To redesignate the Federal building located at 935 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest in the District of Columbia as the "Frank F. Church Federal Building". (Introduced 11/9/2005)
* HR 4968: To provide for the expeditious disclosure of records relevant to the life and death of Tupac Amaru Shakur. (Introduced 3/15/2006)
* HR 5303: To require the suspension of the use, sale, development, production, testing, and export of depleted uranium munitions pending the outcome of certain studies of the health effects of such munitions. (Introduced 5/4/2006)
* HR 5376: To require nationals of the United States that employs individuals in a foreign country to provide full transparency and disclosure in all their operations. (Introduced 5/11/2006)
* HR 5377: To require nationals of the United States that employs more than 20 persons in a foreign country to implement a Corporate Code of Conduct with respect to the employment of those persons. (Introduced 5/11/2006)
* HR 5378: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce by 50 percent certain tax benefits allowable to profitable large corporations, which make certain workforce reductions. (Introduced 5/11/2006)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

37. I'm sure you didn't mean that in a racist sense. BTW, list of the other departing legislators' bills

Wonder if you'd apply "drive by" to these folks. MKJ


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/R?d109:FLD010:+@eq+20061207

[Freddie Stubbs]

103. Ms. McKinney's ties to Louis Farrakhan certainly brings racism to mind

[EFerrari]

50. Or like a respective negotiation.

And what is YOUR interest in smearing Cynthia, Freddie?

[Critters2]

79. Anyone with an association with Farrakhan and a staff which regularly

insults Jews and others doesn't need to be smeared. She does the damage with no help from the media.

She mostly just wants attention--and look! She's getting it. I'm glad her district came to its senses.

[EFerrari]

87. Answering for another poster, Dissing a Democrat.

Guilt by association. Assuming those tawdry elections 'results' reflect the will of the district.

:shrug:

[Critters2]

89. You lost. Move on. nt

[EFerrari]

92. I LOST?!

That's funny. And it will be funnier every time Cynthia is proven right as she has been so far -- up to and including being targetted by the DC moran police.

I really look forward to every moment of that.

lol

:rofl:

[Freddie Stubbs]

104. Critiquing an ineffective legislative strategy is not a smear

[rodeodance]

81. i am glad she did it.

[EFerrari]

5. I must be the exception that proves your rule.

Cynthia is a strong woman and she has my admiration and gratitude.

[goclark]

30. Yea for her! She said what every American with a Brain

wanted to say.

Yes, she could have just left without saying a word but she took a Stand!

I for one am very proud of her.

[Mitt Chovick]

3. Impeach the chimp

[peace13]

8. In more ways than one

Cynthia is my hero. I think she is a true American. Peace on earth, Kim

[Gman]

10. Henry B. Gonzalez is not around anymore

so somebody has to do it. HBG introduced a resolution to impeach Reagan. I'm not sure, but I think he also did one for Bush I. He fully supported the impeachment of Nixxon.

[roody]

11. She is wonderful.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. A symbolic gesture, which I admire. Behold, a very partial list of legislation introduced yesterday.

Expressing the sense of Congress that the Government of the United States should submit the Government of Iraq a draft bilateral status-of-forces agreement by not later than June 1, 2007.
Sponsor: Rep Israel, Steve (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: House International Relations
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.
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2. H.RES.1099 : Relating to consideration of the bill (H.R. 6111) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that the Tax Court may review claims for equitable innocent spouse relief and to suspend the running on the period of limitations while such claims are pending.
Sponsor: Rep Gingrey, Phil (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 109-722
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 248.


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3. H.RES.1100 : Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 6406) to modify temporarily certain rates of duty and make other technical amendments to the trade laws, to extend certain trade preference programs, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Dreier, David (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 109-723
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 249.


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4. H.RES.1101 : Waiving points of order against the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 5682) to exempt from certain requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 a proposed nuclear agreement for cooperation with India.
Sponsor: Rep Bishop, Rob (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 109-724
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Rule provides for consideration of the conference report to H.R. 5682.

5. H.RES.1102 : Waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules and providing for consideration of motions to suspend the rules.
Sponsor: Rep Capito, Shelley Moore (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 109-725
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 251.


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6. H.RES.1103 : Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives regarding modern-day slavery.
Sponsor: Rep Lee, Barbara (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: House International Relations
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.


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7. H.J.RES.102 : Making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Lewis, Jerry (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Appropriations
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Appropriations.


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8. H.R.6406 : To modify temporarily certain rates of duty and make other technical amendments to the trade laws, to extend certain trade preference programs, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Thomas, William M. (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Rules Committee Resolution H. Res. 1100 Reported to House. Rule provides for consideration of H.R. 6406.


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9. H.R.6407 : To reform the postal laws of the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Davis, Tom (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: House Government Reform
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Government Reform.


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10. H.R.6408 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend expiring provisions, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Thomas, William M. (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Ways and Means; House Energy and Commerce; House Resources; House Education and the Workforce; House Government Reform
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Ways and Means, and in addition to the Committees on Energy and Commerce, Resources, Education and the Workforce, and Government Reform, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.

More bills at the link. Yet, Congresswoman McKinney's is the only one worthy of mention.

Hmmmm. MKJ

link: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/R?d109:FLD010:+@eq+20061207

[Freddie Stubbs]

108. Apperently her constituents wanted a Representative who actually took action rather

then making symbolic gestures.

[Moochy]

111. She lost the election.. then she introduced this bill

So your logic is unsound since the voters did not know of her intent to file this bill.

[Freddie Stubbs]

112. He lack of action and accomplishments prior to the primary were

likely a factor. Ditto on her cop-slapping.

[Moochy]

115. Perhaps

I'm just keeping the sequence of events straight.
:beer:

[Pastiche423]

13. What a great note to go out on!

I :loveya: Cynthia!

We will hear great things from her in the future.

[Vidar]

14. Cynthia puts the rest of the dems to shame. Bravo Cynthia!

[FogerRox]

19. Maybe she could run for President....

[cali]

44. Really?

She puts Bernie Sanders to shame? Dennis Kucinich? Zoe Lofgren? Barney Frank? Sherrod Brown? Ted Kennedy? Pat Leahy? That's just off the top of my head.

She's ineffective and divisive. Hell, even John Lewis didn't support her in the last election cycle. She's accomplished little. She grandstands and plays to a certain crowd. It speaks volumes that she's had such struggles to ge re-elected.

I'm glad she's out of the House, may she not return.

[EFerrari]

51. Yes, she puts them to shame, cali. And that she speaks to

black voters who are most of the time disposable or invisible to the party is only one more source of shame.

And, she will be back, sorry, because her "struggles to be re-elected" were mostly due to vote flipping machines that are getting a lot of scrutiny right now.

So sorry.

[cali]

58. I couldn't disagree more about

her putting those folks to shame. In fact, I think it's the opposite. As for speaking for black voters, do you know how the black vote went in her district?

[EFerrari]

67. All we can know is that voters started calling for help

in the earliest hours of voting because their votes for Cynthia were being flipped. Of course, nobody could help them.

[cali]

69. Of course you

have real evidence supporting that the election was stolen from McKinney, right?

[EFerrari]

80. Have I made that claim? No. I have stated that there was massive

vote flipping from the earliest hours of voting.

We don't know. We can't know, can we?

You know that as well as I do. And to say that Cynthia was voted out requires fudging the fact that there is no way to verify her loss, and that that loss is suspect because of the vote flipping which all seemed to flip in favor of her opponent.

But, it could be just one of those co-incidences, glitches, whatever.

lol

[CueST]

74. Here, here.

Or is it hear, here? Here, hear? Either way...McKinney's a joke, and has been nothing but a liability. Now she gets to feel all important and empowered by making a joke out of what could be an actual, important debate.

[EFerrari]

100. Maybe you should sort out your homophones

before you slander progressives.

[CueST]

116. All homophonical matters aside,

I stand by what I said. I think she's trivialized an important matter.

[Cleita]

20. Good for her!

History, I believe, will judge her as a heroine.

[WritersBlock]

21. I'm gonna call my Congresscritter & tell him I want him to support the bill.

Fat chance, as he's as Repugnant as they come ... but I just wonder what would happen if we ALL did the same thing?

One thing's fer sure - the answer is "nothing" if we don't.

Regardless of all the "Pelosi's right to wait" & "we need investigations" arguments, it's up to We the People to make it happen. Articles of Impeachment are the first step to those investigations.

I'll do it anyway. It won't be the first time he's heard from me on the subject.

[Freeusfromthechurch]

22. you go WritersBlock and I'll do the same

[NVMojo]

23. very damn symbolic! YES!!!

[pokercat999]

24. Rep. McKinney has more guts in her little finger

than the rest of congress in their combined bodies. I just wish she was going to be the next speaker.

[donsu]

28. agree - Kuchinich is right up there with her re: guts

gold star for McKinney

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

25. I don't know how Pelosi and Reid can just let Bush get away with pissing on the constitution

It baffles me.

[EFerrari]

48. They are setting up a perimeter, not a limit.

It took me a while to get that. :)

[stlsaxman]

60. uh- it's only what... December 10th...?!?!?!

Pelosi and Reid have NO POWER until the 110th congress is sworn in.

Pelosi may be quoted as saying it's "off the table". She spoke of impeachment- not investigations which, I am absolutely positive, will go ahead full force once DEM's take control of BOTH houses.

"let Bush get away with pissing on the constitution"? Have a teeny bit of faith, please.

[knight_of_the_star]

76. How about there was nothing they COULD do

They were locked out of power in both houses until January, once they are in investigations will begin and the bodies will be surfacing. We have to impeach Bush in the court of public opinion first before we can impeach him in the Houses of Congress. That way if we fail due to GOP partyline bullshit then at least we will have won a significant moral victory.

[Vinca]

26. I'm not a McKinney fan, but good for her. nt

[rodeodance]

82. yes, but too bad----bush is laughing know it is off the table.

[greccogirl]

27. I knew who this was after I read

the headline. And she wonders why she wasn't reelected.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

38. Your insinuation is intriguing. I imagine you feel the same way about Conyers.

:eyes: MKJ

[EFerrari]

54. If you knew this was after you read the headline

chances are it's a smear.

[Nihil]

101. Ooh ... smart!

> I knew who this was after I read the headline.

Pretty good going really, considering her name was at the start of
the headline ...

:eyes:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

29. Yeah, yeah, I know, how dare she? :sarcasm:

How dare she say what the rest of the Democrats are apparently too chicken to say, namely that the Bush administration has committed crimes (yes, crimes), including flouting the Constitution and committing war crimes, as defined at the Nuremberg Trials.

I first became aware of Cynthia McKinney when some long-time DUers, such as ulysses and CatWoman, supported her in her race against Denise Majette, and defended her against other DUers who got completely and irrationally bent out of shape over something McKinney's father said, but I didn't know anything about her till I saw her in action on CSPAN.

Just watching her for a few minutes convinced me that she is extremely intelligent and able to break through the smoke screens to hone in on the truth.

Obviously, the Republicans don't like her, and I fear that some Democrats, those whose relations with the corporations are too cozy and those who compromise overly much because they want to be in the cool clique and those who always have their PR consultants at their sides, think she makes them look wimpy.

[Puglover]

59. I agree with Randi on this.

You caNOT start impeachment without investigations to provide PROOF of Bushes malfeasance. "He knew there were not WMD." Prove it. Once that is done, I'm on the bandwagon.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

61. I give her credit for putting the topic on the table, a topic that

too many other Dems were trying to ignore.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

63. If you're not on the bandwagon now, you never will be.

Thanks for playing! :hi: MKJ

P.S. If you still desperately need that proof, start with googling Downing St. Memo, David Kay or "16 words". Brewster/Jennings is another avenue, for one attempt by the cabal to cover up the fact that they all knew. MKJ

[Puglover]

105. Actually you should have phrased this

"If you're not on MY bandwagon." And thanks but I'll pass. And a hearty ole :hi: back atcha!

If you're fond of using snarky phases like "if you desperately need proof" good luck luck at getting people on it.

[Tarc]

72. I could not agree more

I am still trying to find out why my post was deleted on this subject, but that is the way I see it as well.

Investigations and committees are needed to provide firm, conclusive evidence to support impeachment, so that is certain to be effective. A bill filed at the 11th hour in a lame-duck GOP controlled House just doesn't seem to accomplish much.

[VegasWolf]

33. Actually, I think Pelosi has this one right. Start with "investigations" and

leak the results of the investigations to the public, within 6 months the public will be howling for Bush's head on a silver platter.

[OKthatsIT]

99. Yes, but Cynthia was right, too.

We/she has the facts.

Downing Street Memo, for one.
Katrina was criminal neglect and broke Posse Comitatus law.
Constitutional Rights have been abused and denied, systematically.
Billions have gone missing or lost by bad management.

The 9/11 Commission was biased from the start, ending with evidence and witness suppression. 9/11 investigations must be reopened with full disclosure...under oath.

[steve2470]

35. wtg ! nt

[Emillereid]

40. Way to go GIRL! I for one will miss you in the HOUSE. Come BACK!

[CreekDog]

42. I guess most of you would rather have a bill to impeach than actual impeachment

Because that's what this last minute action accomplishes.

It will not impeach Bush and if it comes to a vote, it won't even get many votes, what without time to debate, time to investigate, etc.

So, like I said, those of you who think this is such a great idea and that she is a heroine, I guess you have pretty low standards.

If impeachment is going to happen, there needs to be some political support to do it and that doesn't happen just because a bill is introduced and because a president is unpopular...to get the margins and pressure necessary to make it happen takes coordinated and shrewd effort.

McKinney did none of this.

I have long thought that the causes she says she espouses are simply to garner her attention. The object is not to attract attention to the cause, but to use the cause to give her attention.

I'm glad we are about to be rid of her and her own solidly Democratic district agrees. But DU'ers know better than those voters, don't we?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

43. Yikes, the elitist Dems aren't a myth.

"the causes she espouses are simply to garner her attention".

Channeling Jon Stewart, "and yet, as she returns to her quaint hamburg, she wilt perhaps bloviate in an unseemly way there, as well."

MKJ

[EFerrari]

52. I guess you know more than the ripped off voters in her district

don't you?

And I guess you know more about building a movement more than the bravest black woman in Congress, don't you? You'd do just fine if the Capitol police were assigned to harass you, wouldn't you?

And I guess from behind your magic keyboard you can do better than to stand tall in front of BushCo and speak truth to their murdering, lying, cheating and stealing, can't you?

Please tell us what district you will be running in, because if you can do better than Cynthia, we all need to support you.

[CreekDog]

56. I would say Barbara Lee is both braver and more effective than McKinney

Quixotic battle after Quixotic battle does not denote courage, character or effectiveness.

That she has gotten so little accomplished on these issues and certainly had opportunity to push them in a way that actually advanced the cause rather than her career (didn't actually help her much actually), I have my doubts that she actually cares about the causes she has spoken about. She certainly has done them more harm than good.

And I'm not second guessing the voters in her district. The Democrats in the primary threw her out and the solidly Democratic district elected another Democrat in her place.

You can say fraud about the election results all you want, but it's like many of McKinney's statements. All assertion, no facts, no substantiation and thus, no reason for a rational person to assume that what is being asserted is true.

Sorry to break it to you, but the doubts of her election loss are a lot weaker than the doubts surrounding both Kerry's and Gore's loss in the presidential election.

But that's like a lot else in McKinney's career.

I would prefer someone more effective to represent these causes than McKinney and someone more effective is not hard to find.

[EFerrari]

57. We don't need a rehearsal here of right wing talking points.

And only Friday Skinner posted an amusing recap of all the Quixotes that accurately predicted disaster in Iraq. Oh, these windmill tilters! They embarrass the party with their holding down the truthful edge of the platform! :rofl:

Sorry to break it to you, but you have no basis to believe the primary results unless you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa. I was working that day, and the complaints of vote flipping came in immediately and they came in from voters, not from her campaign.

You know, effectiveness isn't always measured by headlines. In fact, these days, when the dogs bark, you now you must be hitting a nerve.

[Emillereid]

77. I think that anything that gets 'impeachment' into the public discourse

aids the cause. I don't expect McKinney's to be the last. I'm going to a townhall meeting tonight on impeachment -- wherein a serious case against Bush will be discussed. People are working at all levels of this issue.

I have met Ms. McKinney and she is extremely passionate about the issues and authentic to the core -- she does not seem to be on any kind of ego trip. In fact, I'd say she's a fearless fighter for the truth.

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

65. Never mind, deleted.

Thanks, mods!. :hi: MKJ

[Tarc]

70. Now hold on a minute

What the hell is the post deleted for? We cannot post critical views of outgoing Democratic Party reps? That's be a pretty odd forum rule considering there are hundreds upon hundreds of posts here that ream Joe Lieberman (when he was a Dem) and Hillary Clinton on a daily basis.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

78. Name calling should be alerted. That's a RW tactic which shouldn't be here.

We can adamantly and passionately disagree with Dems. I completely disagree and don't understand how H.C. voted for the IWR. I won't vote for her in the primary, if she runs.

If she's our 08 candidate, I will vote for her. And, I'll still disagree with her on that issue.

However, I will not call her names, which is a freep speciality. And, the mods are right to delete those posts. Maybe, the posts to which you refer did not have anyone hit alert.

If one wants to degrade the Dem candidates, rather than disagree with their positions on domestic and international issues, then this is the wrong board.

MKJ

[VegasWolf]

73. Roll the word "impeach" around on your tongue! See it has a really good feel

to it. The word "impeach" just feels natural in your mouth. Sort of like oral sunshine!

[Barrett808]

75. Somewhat related: Mike Ruppert is now in Canada

He was always a big McKinney supporter. Ruppert has left Venezuela, and he's getting medical treatment for his condition in Toronto.

[pberq]

93. Go Cynthia!! A rare voice for truth and justice

[beth9999]

96. It's a shame...

...that she chose to take this parting shot at Bush. He's going to be gone by the time she runs to get her seat back anyway.

What she should have done is introduced a bill to rid us of the Repug justices on the Supreme Court (Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia). If we don't get rid of them, they'll be around for twenty years.

[Critters2]

97. There's no way to "get rid" of Supreme Court Justices

They're appointed for life, or until they choose to retire. The Constitution is written this way precisely to prevent their being targeted for political reasons.

But I doubt McKinney knows this much about the Constitution either.

[beth9999]

98. Sure they can be impeached.

Samuel Chase was an associate justice who was impeached by Congress in 1805 (although he was acquitted by the Senate).

[Critters2]

117. And since that time, the doctrine of judicial independence

has been taken seriously by both the legislative and judicial branches.

And impeaching Supreme Court justices would lead to chaos. It won't happen. And it shouldn't.

[superconnected]

113. Cynthia, you're a hero, and you're doing a heroic thing.

Thanks for putting THAT on the congressional record. Becaues you ARE right. :applause: