IBM to export programmer jobs to Asia - WSJ (3000+ Jobs)

[cthrumatrix]

IBM to export programmer jobs to Asia - WSJ
12/15/2003 12:23:05 AM

NEW YORK, Dec 14 (Reuters) - International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) , the world's largest computer company, will move the work of as many of 4,730 U.S. software programmers to India, China and elsewhere, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday.

The unannounced plan, which the newspaper said it viewed in company documents, would replace thousands of workers at IBM facilities in Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie in New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, Dallas, Boulder in Colorado, and elsewhere in the United States.

The Wall Street Journal said that about 947 people will be notified during the first half of 2004 that their work will be moved overseas. It was not yet clear how many of the other 3,700 jobs identified as "potential to move offshore" in the IBM documents will move next year or later, the paper said.

Armonk, New York-based IBM, which has about 315,000 employees around the world, has been among companies that have moved traditionally higher paid services jobs to low cost centers such as India in recent years. The company has said it will continue to build its services business abroad, because it makes IBM more competitive, saves its customers money and frees up funds for other purposes.


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greed has no bounds.....

[lazarus]

1. And that economy

Just keeps on recovering, doesn't it?

[RC]

2. "...and frees up funds for other purposes"

Pay raises for the Board, more stock options, golden parachutes...

[Nobody]

3. Those jobs that were supposedly "added" according to the media

are actually temp jobs. Temp agencies are taking on new people but still companies are laying off full time with benefits employees.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. If you're able to laugh through your lost job

try this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/34435.html

"My job went to India and all I got was this lousy T shirt"

[loudnclear]

5. This what our soldiers are really dying for...the corporcrats!

And as these types of jobs leave the country and products return our security and safety is threatened. Who will be given access to our passwords, codes, etc. You have to give this information to get service, remember.

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. I don't think security will be any worse

some might think that your details being kept outside the country that produced Enron and Worldcom would actually improve security.

[The Zanti Regent]

8. Can you say IDENTITY THEFT?

Hmm, do you REALLY TRUST overseas operations to keep YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION secure?

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. And I repeat:

do you really trust US corporations to keep your information secure?

[mbperrin]

7. Look at that Bush* job machine

go!

(Or are those just jobs going?....so confusing)

[markus]

9. This is a threat to natioal security and should be stopped

Dr. Dobbs journal had an article from the fellow who writes about embedded systems. Gee, I sure want to know that every airplane and elevator and car I ride in has software made by people who might be in bed with al-Quaida.

I think we need a law that prevents the use of overseas code in life-and-safety, financial, law enforcement, any government application, etc.

I'm on my third career in software testing/QA and project management (after journalism and public relations). I love what I do know, but it looks like I'll soon be ready for my every seven year career shakeup.

Do they let guys who are 46 hand you a cart at Wall Mart, or is it only the really old guys?

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. 'overseas' code runs the majority of financial transactions in the USA

find out about CICS, which comes from IBM in the UK.

I have also heard, on this board, (I have no way of knowing how accurate this is) that a lot of Microsoft Windows NT/2000 (ie the reliable version of Windows) was written in Israel.

Linux orginated in Finland.

Unless you want to stop most of the computer industry at once, your law will have to discriminate between 'trusted' and 'untrusted' countries.

I think you'd be more at risk of fraud, and, even more, incompetent programming, than politically related sabotage. The first 2 can happen whatever country the code is written in.

[supernova]

10. Got a call from a recruiter

last week about a job at IBM. Pretty lucrative too. But it's not going to happen, for all the reasons just mentioned, especially:

The unannounced plan, which the newspaper said it viewed in company documents, would replace thousands of workers at IBM facilities in Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie in New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, Dallas, Boulder in Colorado, and elsewhere in the United States.

Bold is mine.

The job would be in Raleigh. But I seriously doubt for long. It's just a matter of time. God hate, HATE having these carrots dangled in front of me! Why must you tease me like this IBM?!

I really need to move on to a different subject area. Much as I love tech, it's just not stable. And I crave stable.

And Poughkeepsie, OMG, I wonder if there's even 3000 jobs left up there.

edit: fixed code

[ramapo]

14. Trickle-down effects

Each job sent offshore puts more downward pressure on the remaining opportunities in the U.S.

I have 20 years in IT. Our business is now limited to placing consultants since the hardware business is now a strictly commodity, profitless venture.

It gets tougher everyday to compete against the H1B-visa inflow and the offshore outflow.

I know our days in business are numbered. We lose many more positions and we're finished.

I'm spending a lot of time trying to figure out what to do next. It sucks.

[54anickel]

13. But, but the Greenman says we are loosing low-skill jobs to China

Greenspan, addressing the World Affairs Council of Dallas, acknowledged that "in recent years, competition from abroad has risen to a point at which our lowest-skilled workers are being priced out of the global labor market."

But the answer, he said, is education and retraining, not protectionism or adopting the position of antiglobalization forces that favor "employing the power of the state to override the outcomes arrived at through voluntary exchange." :eyes:


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2289202