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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:15 AM Original message |
Spiegel: Environmental Guru Lovelock Urges Expansion of Nuclear Energy |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. before listening to that charlatan's idiocy, read the following: |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Lovelock is not a charlatan |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly right! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Mark me down as another enviromentalists that hates the anti-science cranks. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis was thoroughly trashed by biogeochemists, |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The people you cite are reductionalists not systems scientists |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Oh please |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. When you're looking at larger systems and dynamics they certainly are |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The American Geophysical Union hosted *two* Chapman conferences on Gaia |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Who said anything about "sentient?" |
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Tangledog (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Dunno if it was the right wingers |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. I would say fusion is 30 years away |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. Perhaps he's losing his mind. He also claims now he invented the microwave oven |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. well then, i see you didn't read it. i suggest you do, but your |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
49. You're more right-on, though |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Anyone who calls Lovelock a charlatan has no right to call him/herself an enviromentalist. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. okay then, not a charlatan. nuclearists' whore. eom |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. "Even a nuclear war," says Lovelock, "would not lead to the level of devastation worldwide... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. "Yet people can't just take a bike to the store... " well said. eom |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Biking to the store |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
47. if those who could did, it would not be necessary for you to. btw, |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. He didn't bother checking how much Uranium there is left. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It's not "either/or" but "everything - now!" |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. agreed... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. Agreed in turn. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. A-Fucking-MEN |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
52. And the great thing about this approach ... |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Thanks for putting that so well. I welcome any reasonable alternative-energy proposal, but ... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
53. Glad it came out the way I meant it. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Great post! |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Thanks! |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Plenty of other fuels. |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. And what when there is no sun and no wind? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Neither did you. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
10. Amazingly enough you can build a fusion reactor in your basement |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. ...and levelling everything 3-5 miles around you... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. So what? In practical terms, nobody knows how to get more energy out than was put in |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. nuclear power. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Yes, it's called "catastrophic climate change" nt |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. you'll think catastrophic if your downwind from a radioactive cloud. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. What word would you use for 3 billion people starving, then? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. first of all lack of nuclear power isn't going to solve or cause |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. If we shift the rainfall patterns much futher |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. lol -- possibility? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No, I've got a fairly good understanding of it, and the dangers. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 05:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. point out where i advocated for the fossil energy producing |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm for nuclear power, but not with legacy technology. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. My parents made a huge cut in their GHG emissions. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Sorry to burst your bubble |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. At least its not Saudi Arabian. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. Similar to those who claim overconsumption should be addressed instead of overpopulation. |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. wars and all that |
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OKthatsIT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
32. NO, NO, NO...Earth is too unstable as it approaches the GALACTIC PLANE |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What are you talking about? |
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all.of.me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
55. he sounds like my father! |
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