Gates: U.S. can prove Iran's Iraq role

[rodeodance]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates

Gates: U.S. can prove Iran's Iraq role

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

SEVILLE, Spain - Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in
Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.


Offering some of the first public details of evidence the military has collected, Gates said, "I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found," that point to Iran.

At the same time, however, he said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.

Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate.
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[niceypoo]

1. We have heard such "Proof" before

Read this Bush speech from 2002. Every claim Bush makes in this speech turned out to be a lie. Just about every sentence is a new lie.

President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

This whopper cracks me up it is so absurd:
"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors."

They don't care if they get caught in the lies down the road. In their view the end justifies the means.

[gratuitous]

2. "I think" and "there may be"

Oh boy, more "pretty good" or "darned good" intelligence coming our way.

I've seen this production before, and not that long ago. Hint: It doesn't end well for us.

[Bonhomme Richard]

9. I agree. Same old bullshit.

[lumpy]

14. And then Gates goes on to say that Iran is VERY much

involved providing either technological info or providing weapons to Iraqis. What is it, I think or maybe or very much involved? Jackass speaks out of right, left and middle of his mouth.

[Jim Warren]

3. Serial numbers and markings, hmmmmm

[itsmesgd]

4. He should read the report that came out saying that the Iraq prewar intel was wrong

Ours is the only place where one report can come out and say that the first war was based on faulty intelligence (just short of illegal, per the report), and in the next breath say that we have "pretty good evidence" regarding the next war that we are about to launch.
When I was little, I had to clean up one mess before I could start something else.

[LiberalFighter]

5. It only points to the fact that they obtained the weapons within the country

not FROM the country's government.

No different then terrorists obtaining weapons from the United States in SOME instances.

[Patriought]

6. Must be using CSI Miami...

Funny how it they cannot determine if a helicopter is brought down by hostile fire or mechanical problems, but they can get serial numbers off of exploded ordinance.
Also funny how the roads are almost too dangerous to travel on, but not too dangerous to have a team of inspectors comb the area for bits of shrapnel. Just so long as they remember not to send Joe Wilson to investigate.

[Uben]

7. You don't attack over serial numbers

You know. there are rogue factions in Iran, too. And I am sure there are some that would like to provoke war between the U.S. and Iran. And after the Iraq lies, who's to say the pentagon didn't plant them? That's the problem when you get caught lying.

For me to believe anything the pentagon says, I will require irrefutable proof....no maybes....no set-ups.

[snappyturtle]

8. It's all b.s. ..............................

"Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate."
............something is rotten in Denmark, imho. I don't trust them. I bet there were some U.S. serial numbers on weapons used in Lebanon too and we don't get excited about that.

[LynnTheDem]

10. Bullshit.

[Doctor_J]

11. This is a recurring nightmare

they keep telling the same lies over and over again, and with their complete media control there's no one to refute them, and thus no reason for them to stop lying. I really hate what the GOP has made this country into.

[catmandu57]

12. Everybody who comes in contact with these insane mf'ers

comes down with a case of the crazies. We need to quarantine every one of them, preferably in a federal prison.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Oh, here we go again! "Might be", "Think there's some", "Could have",

"Would have",etc. All that isn't proof of anything except the NeoCons' stupidity!

[liberal N proud]

15. Just like they proved that Saddam was linked to AlQueda and had WMD's

They are so bold in their lies.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. uh, hmmm.....

sorry but I think that is

total bullshit

[The Stranger]

17. If someone next door were invaded illegally, ANY NATION WOULD ACT IN ITS OWN INTERESTS IN RESPONSE.

Are these imbeciles suggesting that if Mexico were invaded, the U.S. would not send any weapons or be involved at all?

[CoffeeCat]

18. The American public will NOT buy this crap!

The neocons are going to bomb, murder and pillage whomever they want. The
will of the American people will not stop these thugs.

However, this drip, drip, drip of "The Iranians are BAD!!!!" will not sell
America another war. Not this time.

75 percent of the American people are disgusted with Bush and they know he
has totally hoarked up Iraq. These attempts to persuade us into another
war will not work. Last time, these thugs rode on the coattails of 9/11,
and Bush had a high approval rating.

This will not work! Junior has shown himself to be an total fuck up
and they won't be able to sell us on more war.

The question is...how will an unwilling and unsold American populace react this
time, when BushCo steamrolls into another war?

[Doctor_J]

23. Of course they will

there is no one to tell them the truth. Goebbels had the Germans believing his lies until the bombs were dropping on Dresden. Rove and all of his water carriers in the media are at least as skilled as Goebbels was.

[Kagemusha]

19. I bet black market sales products have serial numbers too.

That's thin stuff. Real thin.

[struggle4progress]

28. Black-market weapon prices surge in Iraq (IHT 9 Dec 06)

By C. J. Chivers
Published: December 9, 2006

SULAIMANIYA, Iraq: The Kurdish security contractor placed the black plastic box on the table. Inside was a new Glock 19, one of the 9-millimeter pistols that the United States issued by the tens of thousands to the Iraqi Army and police ...

He displayed other purchases, including a short-barreled Kalashnikov assault rifle with a collapsible stock that makes it easy to conceal under a coat or fire from a car. "I bought this for $450 last year," he said of the rifle. "Now it costs $650. The prices keep going up." ...

The rifles and the grenade launcher were wrapped in rice sacks. He slipped two of the rifles out of the cloth. They were spotless and unworn, inside and out, and appeared never to have been used. They had folding stocks and were priced at $560 each ...

Tracing American-issued weapons back to Iraqi units that sell them is especially difficult because the United States did not register serial numbers for almost all of the 370,000 small arms purchased for Iraqi security forces, according to a report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction ...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/09/africa/web.1210weapons.php

[John Q. Citizen]

20. "...either weapons or technology...." Sounds like bullshit.

[Jacobin]

21. I can prove the U.S. is arming Iraqis, too

Check out the serial numbers on the munitions used by insurgents and fighters in the civil war.

I can prove that we have Americans TRAINING Iraqis to fight and arming them.

So I say to Idiot Gates, So the Fuck What? Oh, and what's DumbassGates gonna say about Saudi's arming Sunnis, huh? What's he gonna say about Bush's buddies arming Sunnis? Come on, I want to fucking hear it.

[theaudacity]

22. They could show me video of Iranian troops in times square, and I would still...

question their credibility. How on earth can the American people trust any "evidence" they are presented with at this point.

[MrPrax]

24. Which Gates?

Oh this Robert Gates:

"...The Senate voted Wednesday 95-2 for Gates, 63, who was handpicked by U.S. President George W. Bush to replace Rumsfeld..."


Funny, only a few days ago did someone talk about how the dems are having problems getting a solid 60 senators to do anything about the IRAQ WAR...

Bush seems to have NO PROBLEM in getting democratic party consensus -- maybe he should run the DNC as well.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

25. So what? Naturally, the Iranians would stream into Iraq.

It would be naive to have expected anything different to happen. I'm sure there are lots of Syrians there, too, as well as people from other nations in that region. Everyone is going to go in to protect their own interests and to assist whatever sect or group they are aligned with.

[bamacrat]

26. How stupid do they think we are? Or how stupid do they know some are.

If they are allowed to go into Iran based on "pretty good" evidence, Im going to move to Canada, or Amsterdam one.

[progressivebydesign]

27. Lying sack of shit. He knows a lot about Iran from his Contra role.

Shameless pigs.. will do anything to expand this war. Our Dem leaders had better keep pounding them on this one.. and refuse to let them drag Iran into it.

[mainer]

29. But aren't many of those weapons going to Sunnis?

I'd read that many of the advanced weapons flowing into the country are ending up in the hands of Sunni insurgents.

Iran is Shia.

Does any of this make sense?

[Amonester]

30. Civilized world: "Civilized world can prove rael neocons Iraq role" nt

[classysassy]

31. " fool me once shame on you "

Wake up America.

[LiberalFighter]

32. Anyone connected with Defense Dept that has direct knowledge

of data falsification that does not whistleblow on Gates or any of their superiors should also be convicted.

Then need to know that the odds of their superiors being exposed are great and if they don't report the violations then they are also prosecuted.

A secret is only a secret if only one person knows the secret.

[TheWatcher]

33. This is of course, bullshit.

It's the same tactics they used to start the last war. The same lies, the same playbook, the same screenplay, with a slightly altered script.

What I don't get is why some are surprised.

You know who these people are, you know what they do, and by now, you should expect this. They are merely doing what they know works. They are merely staying true to their nature, and doing what they do. They have been successful, encountered no resistance from any kind of authoritative entity, and they have no reason to fear any consequences or accountability for their actions.
Honestly people, why would they stop? Why should they? They don't seem to have anything to fear.

They are merely mafioso doing as should be expected of them.

Although it should make us angry, we should not be surprised or shocked in the least.

But what should make us angrier is the general response of the country. They seem to either not care, not know, not want to know, or are trying to do everything they can to ignore it and hope it all goes away.

At some point the people of this country are going to have to come to grips with the fact that their country has been hijacked, and that these people WILL NOT STOP until they are removed from a position where they can do harm.

Legally and Peacefully if at all possible.

And yet most of the country would rather ignore all the elephants in the room and think that focusing on 2008 is the answer.

By then, it will be too late.

It's very simple, this cabal will continue until they are stopped.


Sure, they are evil bastards, possibly the most ruthless gangsters the world has ever seen.

And they are winning.

And they will continue to do so, until somehow, the people of this country do something to stop them.

The media will not help us. And from the looks of things, neither will our elected leadership.

It may indeed come down to US.