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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:03 AM
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Cuba Appreciates International Support To Close Guantanamo Base
February 14, 2007 20:08 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 14 (Bernama) -- Cuba appreciates the call by the international communities demanding the United States (US) government to close down the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, said Cuban Ambassador to Malaysia, Pedro Monson Barata.

Barata hoped the calls would help Cuba to materialise its demand for the closure of the illegal prison as well as to remove the US army from their territory ...

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=247023
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:16 AM
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1. I wander what Cuban prisons are like.
n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:41 AM
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2. The established human rights organizations pay attention to this subject.
It's a reasonable topic for concern, and you can check their websites for info, if this subject interests you.

On the other hand, conditions in Cuban prisons cannot excuse what our own country is doing in Guantanamo.

We always have a better chance of influencing our own government's behavior, than we do of influencing a foreign government's behavior. Moreover, American complaints about human rights violations by other nations will simply not be taken seriously by anyone as long as our government treats international human rights standards with contempt.

So my advice is: if you want to do work on human rights in Cuba or anywhere elsewhere, you should damn well be interested in cleaning up the current American mess ASAP.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:03 AM
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3. Here's information from an American professor who has visited the jails:
Human Rights Activist J. Soffiyah Elijah Opens Conference

On Sunday morning, October 15, J. Soffiyah Elijah will offer the NNG audience a human rights perspective to our social justice framework and our criminal justice lens. As Deputy Director of the Criminal Justice Institute at Harvard Law School, Soffiyah is responsible for leading the fulfillment, development and expansion of the Institute's work to address the urgent needs of the powerless, voiceless and indigent in the criminal justice system.
With 20 years in the legal profession, the scope of her keynote address will include her research of the U.S. criminal justice and prison systems and her experiences representing numerous political prisoners and social activists over the past 22 years. Her travels to Cuba over the past 17 years have enabled her to conduct extensive research on the country's legal system, with a focus on its approach to criminal justice issues

Soffijah will draw from her experiences with torture victims in the United States, including post 9/11 victims, the horrors of Chicago detainees and post Katrina treatment of evacuated of pretrial detainees in her opening presentation.

Soffiyah insists, "A civilized society cannot tolerate violations of anyone's human rights, no matter who the accused is or what the accusation may be. Indeed, a civilized society should ensure that the so-called war on terrorism cannot be used as a ruse to ignore or manipulate the community's sense of fair play and decency. The Universal Declaration of Human rights demands no less from us."
(snip)

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LESSONS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH:
THE CUBAN PRISON SYSTEM - REFLECTIVE OBSERVATIONSÓ 2000

by Prof. Soffiyah Elijah
Clinical Instructor
Criminal Justice Institute
Harvard Law School

Since the island nation of Cuba experienced its successful revolution in 1959 its prison system has been evolving. Despite accusations of harsh human rights abuses from its neighbors to the North, Cuba today maintains a prison system that is in many respects far more humane than Western propaganda would have the uninformed public believe.

My study of the Cuban prison system began in 1987 when I first visited the country to attend a conference co-sponsored by the American Association of Jurists and the Cuban Association of Jurists. I was pleasantly surprised during the trip when the opportunity arose to visit a men's prison. A group of conference attendees traveled by bus to the prison and when we arrived we were not searched and our belongings were not checked. We did not sign in or out. Nobody asked to check our identification. Having visited numerous prisons in the U.S. I have never entered any of them without a thorough search of my person and my belongings. Government issued photo identification is always required.

Although we were given a tour of the prison we were free to wander off and talk with the prisoners unmonitored. We walked all around the facility and were allowed to go into cells, work areas, the cafeteria, hospital, classrooms, recreation area and any other space we chose. This we were allowed to do unaccompanied. The prisoners wore street clothing.

Although one might think that this must have been a minimum or medium security prison, there are no such institutional classifications. Prison institutions are not characterized by security level. Rather prisoners of varying security levels are all housed in the same facility. The four levels of security classification for prisoners are maximum, high, moderate and minimum. The distinction in their security classification is borne out in the frequency with which they are allowed family and conjugal visits, mail, phone privileges and furlough availability. All prisoners, regardless of security level, are afforded at least four family and conjugal visits a year. Prisoners with the lowest security classifications are afforded more frequent family and conjugal visits than higher security classified prisoners.

Needless to say I was a bit taken aback at this very different approach. For the next thirteen years I built on this experience and conducted further research on the Cuban prison system.

In 1988 I returned to Cuba to attend the International Women¹s Conference hosted by the Federation of Cuban Women (FMC). Another opportunity arose to visit a prison, this time it was a women’s facility. My impressions were very similar to those I had when I visited the men’s facility. In a nutshell, the Cuban system still impressed me as being more humane than what I had observed in the United States.
(snip/...)

http://afrocubaweb.com/elijah.htm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:19 AM
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4. You owe it to yourself to start looking into what human rights organizations have to say
about American prisons, and our astonishingly HIGH ratio of prisoners to non-imprisoned population.

Take time to look up killings by guards in prison, torture in prison, etc., etc. Don't forget to check what happens to juvenile offenders, and the mentally handicapped.

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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:32 AM
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5. Never did I commend
Our prison system, much less Gitmo. But I find it a little ironic that Cuba is so concerned about our human rights. I am sure theirs could use some work to.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:36 AM
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6. Be sure to read the information about Cuban jails written by the American professor.
You will find more information when you do more research on your own.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:45 AM
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7. Thank you
I read the article from this one persons viewpoint, yet I cannot believe that Cuba's prisons are one step short of paradise.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:57 AM
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8. Would you be good enough to point to that claim in that article?
I apparently didn't manage to read it as well as you did. I just didn't see anything about a prison paradise, and I'm pretty sure it would be a waste of time if I tried to look for it.

If you have some evidence to the contrary, this is a terrific time to post it, don't you think?
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:47 AM
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9. A
good place to start would be "all prisoners are released after 2/3 of their sentence". Thats a pretty sweet deal. 10yrs for armed robbery now becomes 6 and 1/2. "prisoners are not obligated to work" That stood out as well. Work should be mandatory not if you feel like it. Also it must be swell to continue to receive your pension while in prison. Maybe the cons victim is cool with that one as well. Maybe that money could go to the victims of crime.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:53 AM
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10. So you go from "I wander what Cuban prisons are like" in your first post,
to your belief that maybe Cuba is way, way too soft on certain criminals.

It's over my head. 'Fraid I can't help you.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:21 AM
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12. Exactly.
Either that report was right on the money, way to soft. Or was embellished greatly to fit into the writers beliefs and bias.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:20 AM
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13. Bingo!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:01 PM
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14. I wouldn't expect them to be very great
Considering the general poverty of Cuba.

But I'm pretty sure it's better than conditions at Gitmo.

Here's a BBC account of a visit Cuban prison.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3667645.stm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:03 AM
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11. Official tells Senate Australia could not send psychiatrist to Guantanamo Bay
Official tells Senate Australia could not send psychiatrist to Guantanamo Bay
The Associated PressPublished: February 14, 2007

CANBERRA, Australia: Australia was refused permission to send an independent psychiatrist to Guantanamo Bay to assess the lone Australian prisoner at the U.S. military base in Cuba, an official said Thursday.

Rod Smith, a senior Foreign Department official, told a Senate committee inquiry that Australia's embassy in Washington wrote to the Pentagon on Dec. 5 last year to request a psychiatric assessment of David Hicks on behalf of his lawyers and family.

Smith said the letter requested a visit by "an independent health professional employed by his legal defense team."

Failing that, Australia wanted an assessment carried out by Guantanamo medical staff.
(snip/...)

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/15/asia/AS-GEN-Australia-Guantanamo-Inmate.php
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:12 PM
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15. U.N. Panel Wants Cuba Jail Closed (Guantanamo)
May 20, 2006
U.N. Panel Wants Cuba Jail Closed

by Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times

The U.N. Committee Against Torture called on the Bush administration Friday to close its prison for terrorism suspects here, condemning the secretive detention network as a violation of international law and a scar on the United States' image as a defender of rights and freedom.

The appeal to close the prison could strengthen the hand of those within the U.S. government, including the president himself, who lately have been pushing to phase out the Guantanamo operations by releasing or transferring the estimated 460 prisoners to their home countries.

A Supreme Court ruling next month, on whether the Pentagon has the right to try terrorism suspects here, could shutter the much-maligned tribunal, the first military war-crimes prosecution effort since World War II.

The U.N. committee issued its 11-page declaration of concerns and censure after hearings this month in Geneva, including testimony by U.S. officials who insisted the United States upholds the Convention Against Torture to which it is a signatory. The committee is based in Geneva.
(snip/...)

http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=10568
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