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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:29 AM
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New US missile bases likely in eastern Europe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2016605,00.html

New US missile bases likely in eastern Europe

The prime ministers of Poland and the Czech Republic said today that they were likely to accept a US request to site elements of a contentious anti-missile defence system on their territory.

The Czech prime minister, Mirek Topolanek, said at a joint news conference with his counterpart Jaroslaw Kaczynski: "We have agreed that our response to the (US) offer will most likely be positive," Reuters reported.

Russia said last month that any extension of the US missile project to eastern Europe - and involvement of two countries it used to dominate - would force it to review its military planning to counter a perceived threat.

Moscow says it would be the target of the missile shield - the so called "son of Star Wars" project - rather than "rogue states" in the Middle East such as Iran or long range North Korean missiles, as the US insists.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:34 AM
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1. So bush wants to fire up the cold war again?
Which defense contractors are getting their bonus for helping to
fix elections, the media, public debate, and giving to the GOP?

We have subs, planes, ships, and mobile platforms that can put
a missile anywhere in the world .... this is just pork and pissing
off the Russians and China.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:21 AM
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4. Potentially, more than pork, it makes possible a nuclear first strike
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 11:22 AM by Ghost Dog
against Russia. That's why they are forced to react:

The possibility of providing a powerful state, one with the world’s most awesome military machinery, a shield to protect it from limited attack, is aimed directly at Russia, the only other nuclear power with anywhere the capacity to launch a credible nuclear counterpunch. Were the United States able to effectively shield itself from a potential Russian response to a US nuclear First Strike, the US would be able simply to dictate to the entire world on its terms, not only to Russia. That would be what military people term Nuclear Primacy. That is the real meaning of Putin’s unusual speech. He isn’t paranoid. He’s being starkly realistic.

Since the end of the Cold War in 1989, it’s now clear that the US Government has never for a moment stopped its pursuit of Nuclear Primacy. For Washington and the US elites, the Cold War never ended. They just forgot to tell us all. The quest for global control of oil and energy pipelines, the quest to establish its military bases across Eurasia, its attempt to modernize and upgrade its nuclear submarine fleet, its Strategic B-52 bomber command, all make sense only when seen through the perspective of the relentless pursuit of US Nuclear Primacy.

The Bush Administration unilaterally abrogated the US-Russian ABM Treaty in December 2001. It’s in a race to complete a global network of missile defense as the key to US nuclear primacy. With even a primitive missile defense shield, the US could attack Russian missile silos and submarine fleets with no fear of effective retaliation, as the few remaining Russian nuclear missiles would be unable to launch a convincing response enough to deter a US First Strike.

The ability of both sides—the Warsaw Pact and NATO—during the Cold War, to mutually annihilate one another, led to a nuclear stalemate dubbed by military strategists, MAD—mutual assured destruction. It was scary but in a bizarre sense, more stable that what we have today with a unilateral US pursuit of nuclear primacy. The prospect of mutual nuclear annihilation with no decisive advantage for either side, led to a world in which nuclear war had been ‘unthinkable.’ Now, the US pursues the possibility of nuclear war as ‘thinkable.’ That’s really mad.

The first nation with a nuclear missile shield would de facto have ‘first strike ability.’ Quite correctly, Lt. Colonel Robert Bowman, Director of the US Air Force missile defense program, recently called missile defense, ‘the missing link to a First Strike.’


Source/More posted yesterday here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=116&topic_id=14023&mesg_id=14023
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:36 AM
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2. Delay This So President Pelosi Can Bury It Where The Sun Don't Shine
What a stupid idea, even for Bush. That's a Ronald Reagan sized idiocy.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:50 AM
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3. Idiot pawns of neocon/neoliberal imperialism.
We are driving Russia and China back together, most likely with India alongside them as we prepare for general war in asia. How stupid is this?

Is the plan really to solve global warming/peak oil by slaughtering enough people to float the system for another 100 years?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:52 PM
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8. It's the Empire's plan.
That will give them the excuse for Chimpageddon and the depopulating, er, "un-burdening" the planet of about 4/5 of humanity.

A few bombs here. A few bombs there. And pretty soon there's no more population explosion.

OTOH: There'll then be plenty of resources for survivors, meaning the "connected."
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:07 PM
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5. what? . . . the 737 US bases in other countries aren't enough? . . . greedy war mongers! . . . n/t
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:29 PM
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6. Doesn't this break the agreement that ended the Cuban missile crisis?
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 01:40 PM by Fozzledick
Khrushchev agreed to pull his missiles out of Cuba and in exchange Kennedy agreed to pull ours out of Turkey and not to place new ones in Europe. (The generals on both sides got pissed off and removed them both from power within two years afterward, but that's another story.)

So, how long will it be before we hear Putin proposing to rearm Cuba with city-killers in response?
:scared:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:35 PM
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7. we also have ground troops and bases in Ukraine now
pointed right at south central Russia: that's proll why the NED pushed in the Phantom of the Opera
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:07 PM
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9. Some dogs can't help being lapdogs!
From Warsaw Pact lapdogs to NATO lapdogs, still lapdogs!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:47 AM
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10. Hey, Don't Blame the People!
Remember Poland's Slogan? "No Defensible Borders!"

That's why we Polacks are the Heinz 72 variety Eurasians! Also home of the first European democracy.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 10:56 AM
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11. Older than Greece? Doubt it. -nt
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:08 AM
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12. Greece Wasn't A Democracy--or a Nation!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:35 AM
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14. OK, Athens. -nt
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:20 AM
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13. "US Forces give the nod; it's a setback for your country." -Midnight Oil
Why does my first impression of this plan include the thought that it's a handy set of weapons to aim at anyone they feel like aiming at, to insure getting their way?

America is not the world's police force, especially if it involves empire building. Is there any wonder that small countries are pursuing nukes and other weapons to attempt to maintain independence? Ow.
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