Salt Lake Tribune: "Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help"

[reprehensor]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5271117

Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help

According to Oklahoma bombing conspirator, ranking officials were involved in the attack

By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 02/21/2007 01:03:43 AM MST

Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.

The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.

Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth...

...McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols. He says he learned sometime in 1995 that there had been a change in bombing target and that McVeigh was upset by that.

"There, in what I believe was an accidental slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh in the bomb plot," Nichols says in the affidavit.

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http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5271117

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Oh for fuck's sake.

Pathetic attempt to shift blame.

[Flarney]

5. Maybe, maybe not. How would you know, exactly? n/t

[The Stranger]

14. That is quite a reaction, considering the circumstances.

Better to wait and see what there is to this, don't you think? Rather than dismissing it so quickly?

[Name removed]

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[rman]

25. Oh sure, and the FBI never works with RW extremists

Kinda like how the CIA never works with mobsters.

[The Stranger]

28. You don't see the current regime as consisting of "right-wing mass murderers"?

He would be rolling over on them.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. Yes I do.

And seeing as I don't trust a goddamn word that comes out of their mouths I will not trust Terry Nichols to tell the truth about anything.

[The Stranger]

34. Well then you won't mind if others want to see if Nichols has anything to offer,

whether he is rolling over the rest of the murderers.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

57. Yeah, I'm sure we'll see Janet Reno and Louis Freeh in the dock any day now.

And black helicopters might fly out of my ass.

Terry Nichols is in ADX Florence - supermax, 23 hours of solitary a day. So whatever portion of his tiny little mind was still functioning when he entered is almost certainly toast.

[JoFerret]

67. Good point

sounds like grandiosity, paranoia and any port in a storm to me. However, perhaps there will be more with some substance.

[sarcasmo]

2. Another fall guy like Osawld. IMHO of course.

[ohio2007]

65. Somebody has to die and die fast nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. Why is this being ignored?

[Zynx]

4. Because it's retarded tinfoil filed by Terry Nichols, who has nothing to lose by lying?

Just a thought.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. I always thought it was weird that Ashcroft was so pro-active about

executing the death sentence, even though there was evidence that had gone missing and Timothy McVeigh said he had information to divulge.

McVeigh was our first terrorist, and we let him get off too easy, at least, easy when you consider what they're doing to the other terrorists.

[sarcasmo]

10. You honestly think it was just Mcveigh and Nichols who did that?

Why was their Al-CIADUH in OK CITY prior to the bombing?

[PLF]

42. and there were bombs planted in the building

watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXMo3Z0qms

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. There were bombs in Kennedy's limousine, too. n/t

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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

52. I post plenty of useful stuff.

Just not in stupid tinfoil threads. Try reading some politics threads. You might learn something. On the other hand, I suppose politics is pretty irrelevant when you believe there's a giant megaconspiracy controlling every major event in the world.

P.S. There were bombs in Princess Diana's car.

And roswell.

[ileus]

29. Agreed!

[brentspeak]

55. Thank you. Some sanity.

[Atman]

6. Jose Padilla was "John Doe"

You ever wonder why McVeigh was fried so quickly? When have you ever seen anyone put to death so quickly in the US? And why was the government so intent on keeping Jose under wraps and labeled an "enemy combatant," even though they had nothing on him? Check out the police sketch made of "John Doe" from witness descriptions...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. Wow.

Never thought I'd see a DUer agree with Glenn Beck on anything.

[Atman]

11. I think he is agreeing with me...

I've had this graphic since shortly after the OK bombing, and have posted it several times over the years.

Glenn Beck, for the record, is a flaming douchebag.

.

[closeupready]

22. That's interesting. I'm curious if

the eyewitnesses at the car rental place (or at the building) ever identified Padilla as the guy who was with McVeigh?

[yellerpup]

13. Wow!

This is chilling. I think you got it right, Atman.

[sasquatch]

60. Wasn't Jose Padilla 13 at the time?

[Nevernose]

62. Date of Birth: October 18, 1970

According to wikipedia, anyway, making him 25 at the time of the OKC bombing. I still don't buy it, but it IS feasible.

[hlthe2b]

7. Well, then.. Let's drag McVeigh into the interrogation room

and ask him...:sarcasm:


Oh, yeah....:eyes:

[wordpix]

61. why the hell did they kill him? He could have provided useful info (maybe)

[yellerpup]

12. The OKC bombing was never about just Nichols & McVeigh

The target never made sense, not investigating the 'militias' never made sense. There was a huge drumbeat on hate radio leading up to April 19, 1995 trying to spark (IMO) armed insurgency against the Democratic administration. I also don't believe that the whole FBI was involved. Maybe a few operatives, undoubtedly at least one of high rank, but not the whol FBI. Please!

Edit for typo

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. The bombing brough a screeching halt to all that nonsense.

Most of the weekend warrior nutjobs went home to their families when they realized what armed revolution actually looks like.

[yellerpup]

26. Thankfully true.

Tim McVeigh was a tweaker (methampheatmine user) and it was the drug of choice at Elohim City. Since he was dealing drugs and guns I would be surprised if the FBI didn't know what he was up to. I agree, the weekend warrior nutjobs were in large part a bunch of embittered grandpas who really just wanted to play paintball.

[EFerrari]

20. The whole FBI couldn't form a conga line in unison.

lol

[yellerpup]

27. I'm trying to imagine an FBI conga line!

They COULD form a line, but I doubt they could keep the beat! :rofl: :rofl:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

58. FBI ain't got no funk! :-) n/t

[William Bloode]

37. You are correct imo.

I do remember thinking at that time we were very close to an armed revolt. In retrospect is sure does look like the flames were fanned a bit.

[yellerpup]

39. G. Gordon Liddy suggested on his show

that should federal agents came to your door, you should aim for the head because the rest of their bodies were armored. I believe this was in the context of an anti-gun control rant. Sick F***.

[Joe Chi Minh]

38. As George Soros urged, "Let the de-Nazification commence"!

[yellerpup]

40. Good ol' George Soros!

It did dial them back a little bit.

[reprehensor]

15. One of the things that has always bothered me about OKC

is the case of Andreas Carl Strassmeir, AKA, "Andy the German".

A resident of crazy-crazy Elohim city;



Who is http://eyeonhate.com/mcveigh/mcveigh5.html">Andy the German?

Andy the German is Andreas Carl Strassmeir, son of Guenter Strassmeir, a well known German politician.

In the immediate aftermath of the Oklahoma City Bombing on April 19th, 1995, a lot of people wanted to know who Andy was. His name surfaced early at the McCurtain Daily Gazette when reporters began to interview residents of Elohim City, a right-wing compound in Oklahoma, near the Arkansas border where Andy stayed.

Some reporters never forget a name, and J.D. Cash has never forgotten about Strassmeir. On November 28th, 2005, Cash reportsed that former deputy assistant director of the FBI, Danny Coulson is calling for a new OKC bombing probe;

Central to his call for additional investigation are FBI teletypes that were heavily redacted by the agency before their release some weeks ago. Although some sentences and many names are redacted, there was enough information contained in those documents to impress the former OKBOMB commander that more persons were involved in the attack.

Referring to a January 4, 1996 teletype from former director Freeh to a select group of FBI offices, Coulson said that he believes a man he has long suspected should have been more thoroughly investigated in the crime, German National Andreas Strassmeir, is one of the names the bureau has blacked out of those documents.

Coulson said he suspects Strassmeir may have been more involved with McVeigh than the agency has publicly admitted.

http://www.mccurtain.com/cgi-bin/okcscript.cgi?record=1438



Another incident in American history that we have not been told the full story on.

[xchrom]

18. i don't know if i think the fbi has anything to do with this --

but more than nichols and mcveigh were involved with the bombing.

i don't think that's a far stretch.

[EFerrari]

21. There are lots of possibilities. I'm sure there are sociopaths in the FBI

as there are everywhere else, and it could have been someone representing themselves as FBI. I wonder if we'll ever know.

[xchrom]

31. we'll never know now -- the one thing i agree with --

is that we killed him too fast.

there was more to the story.

the dead deserve the whole story.

[gratuitous]

19. Another argument against the death penalty

I have no idea whether Nichols is just whiling away his time in creative writing, or if there's something to what his affidavit says. One thing I do know for sure is that Tim McVeigh is beyond questioning for corroboration.

It's comforting in a way to assume that it was just Nichols and McVeigh acting out their delusions, but it's chilling to consider that there may have been other folks involved, folks who have gotten away scot-free.

[Name removed]

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[CBGLuthier]

24. Two trials and Nichols never brought this up

Facing the death penalty and the piece of shit never said a word.

But now he wants to bring closure to the victims family. The best way he can do that is to slit his damn wrists and die already rather than try to dredge up this crock of shit.

Oh, and the article got the name of the Murrah building wrong. It was the Alfred P. Murrah building, not the Alfred B. Murrah building.

On the other hand, there is something out of whack about the Trentadue case. But I don't think it had anything to do with the bombing. I think the guards just beat him to death because that is what they sometimes do.

[muryan]

30. this thread needs a tinfoil hat warning

or something of the like. Apparently to some people on here crazy people must always be involved in some government backed conspiracy when they commit crimes.

[IndianaGreen]

36. Those that warn of tin foil theories are usually wrong, perhaps purposely so

The article is in the Salt Lake Tribune, not on the National Enquirer.

We have seen over the years that the government, or at least parts of it, is involved in all kinds of activities which often result in blowback.

Why do you think we executed Saddam so quickly, and why we so fiercely opposed him being tried by a neutral court at The Hague? We feared that Saddam would disclose certain facts about America's role in providing Iraq WMD to use against Iran. Where are the Iraqi documents on Rumsfeld's visit to Saddam on behalf of the Reagan Administration?

Use your tin foil to bake a potato, not to stamp everything you don't want us to discuss as a "tin foil theory."

[tabasco]

32. "Recruited for undercover missions while in the military..."

LMAO. :rofl:

Tim McVeigh was a mech infantry E-5 who tried to go SF but failed the selection course. Not the kind of guy that is recruited for undercover missions, whatever the hell that means.

[yellerpup]

41. Why wouldn't you want a guy with no credibility to do your dirty work?

It doesn't take a genius to deliver a bomb. Just takes a guy willing to follow orders. E-5. Sir, yes sir!

[Sterling]

45. I think he won something for combat in Iraq/Kuwait during DS1

Not saying he was CIA material. I would not know that but he must not be a total incompetent if he performed well under fire in combat.

[tabasco]

53. He was awarded a Bronze Star a a mech infantryman for Iraq 1.

This was not an uncommon award for Iraq 1.

Certainly not something that makes the CIA come to make you a secret agent.

[w4rma]

35. When they put him to death, if I remember correctly, there were still questions that investigators

wanted to ask him.

[autorank]

43. K&R What next!!!

Holy cow!!! Thank you reprehensor!

[Error]

44. Anyone Have Link to an Old Story?

I recall some young soldier arrested in like Kentucky (?) for trying to blow up a bridge. He said he was practicing to follow orders...

Why all this stuff in Oklahoma? Why was Nick Berg there giving his email password to the 911 terrorists?

creepy....

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

48. I'm sorry, I've misplaced my bullshit decoder ring.

Again, in English, please.

[mhatrw]

46. Watch the local news coverage from the day of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXMo3Z0qms&eurl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBvX3P8IjE

[Mnemosyne]

49. needs another kick and rec. n/t

:hi:

[Ouabache]

51. and Chandra Levy was an intern for the Bureau of Prisons & was

working with McVeigh stuff when she turned up dead...

She was never an intern FOR Condit. She may indeed have been having an affair with him, BUT she was working on McVeigh matters at the Bureau of Prisons when she turned up DEAD. And, McVeigh's execution got postponed for a month or so when she died.

I am just a Coincidence Theorist, so please send me no tin-foil hats.

[tanyev]

63. Oooh...I did not know that.

Veddy interesting.

[brentspeak]

54. Why would someone believe the word of a nut like Terry Nichols?

[reprehensor]

56. Deseret Morning News has more details

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C660197443%2C00.html

Nichols says bombing was FBI op

"The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts.

Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent at Ruby Ridge in 1992, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver. Potts also was reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993, which resulted in a fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.

Potts retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver cabin at Ruby Ridge.

When contacted, the FBI's main office in Washington, D.C., said it could not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday."

[Bluzmann57]

59. Nichols is a convicted murderer

So why believe him? He seems like just another criminal trying to cover his ass.

[ohio2007]

64. YouTube, Bill Clinton said it was true

a 2nd and 3rd bomb found also.
At least from this old archive tape ( about 2:54 mark ) they said Bill Clinton phoned and warned the governor "that this is the work of a sophisticated group"
<snip>
Was it Waco..was it "Nation of Islam"....

Funny thing what people say in the heat of the moment eh ?
Justice was swift. I don't think "the experts" back then would want their comments to be brought up as to the suggested possible links from overseas.


Local Oklahoma City Bombing Coverage NWO Terrorist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpg9hlJOGw

Always a conspiracy.
;)

[lovuian]

66. McVeigh is dead and there is a reason so he could never

finger his boss

It wasn't just McVeigh and Nichols that is why Aschcroft was eager to kill McVeigh