Senators were told Iraqi weapons could hit U.S.

[davhill]

http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN1216NELSON.htm

It's hard not to believe what's told to you by your own government in a classified briefing even if you are a Senator

[saigon68]

1. Steaming pile of bullshit

And someone once suggested that Hitler's propaganda was farfetched????

[librechik]

3. this is worse than propoganda--the senators were misled

and lied to in a context of utter trust--a secret briefing from the highest sources. This was the info that they based their votes for their constituents. It was a direct and probably criminal betrayal of that trust.

Isn't lying to Congress a crime anymore? Or were we only using that line for Clinton and convenience for the GOP?

[schultzee]

17. I suspected from the beginnng that they were lied to just like they

lied to the Amercican public over and over again.

[aquart]

20. And yet, they still don't seem upset.

And they are completely protecting the perpetrators of this treason.

They know who lied to them. Why don't we?

[demnan]

2. I don't care if it was a classified briefing

Members of Congress should step up now and let the American people know who was responsible for misleading them, and us.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. That's what Nelson is doing, finally.

He was on NPR Monday morning and said that they were told that Saddam could hit the East Coast. For a US Senator to make such a statement publicly is MAJOR. I hope he keeps bringing it up and that he starts demanding either an Independent Counsel or SI to start investigating this misadministration. Please, before they kill again.


Edit: to correct misinformation

[madfloridian]

10. Some candidates are trying hard to hold Bush responsible.

But one who might be able to make a difference keeps getting bombarded with attacks from his own party as well as the other party.

[aquart]

21. Nelson is still refusing to name the names.

That ain't helpful.

[Barrett808]

4. Seems to me you'd have to be willing to be fooled to buy this

How many senators just smiled and nodded without applying a lick of critical thought?

[aquart]

22. All of them, it seems.

[cthrumatrix]

5. shrub to be held accountable..this is a BS war for oil and war profits

with the blood of US sons, duaghters moms and dads....do we have to lie?

[madfloridian]

6. Graham spoke before the vote.

He was chairman of the intelligence committee. They chose not to listen to him? He voted against it because it went about fighting terrorism the wrong way.

I was very disappointed with Nelson. He listened to the administration and not Graham. He had thousands of calls against the war, few for it. His office said he had to speak for the ones who did not call as well. I asked what the ones who "did not call" said.
Their office did not know, but they were speaking for them anyway.

[schultzee]

18. Congress has give up its powers just like the Roman Senate did

and now because of that we have this president with too much and very dangerious power in office.

[freethought23]

29. The next thing is that Dubya will make his horse a Senator

as Caligula did with his equine pal, Incitatus.

[Bozola]

7. Ah, yes, the memories

Nelson said the senators were told Iraq had both biological and chemical weapons, notably anthrax, and it could deliver them to cities along the Eastern seaboard via unmanned aerial vehicles, commonly known as drones.

The flying lawnmower-powered RC model-airplanes of death. That they could turn a common, ordinary, two-stroke mower into a weapon capable of killing a small bird if it flew into the prop, showed how dangerous they were. Bush should have alerted us all to the Iraqi FMPD (Flying Mowers of Pigeon Destruction) threat!

What I find particularly difficult to understand, is that when this threat was first announced, photos of the "drone" (it technically isn't one) had been available on the internet for some time. What I don't understand about the Senators, is that we here at DU, Buzzflash, BushWatch, and SmirkingChimp knew within a day of the "drone" announcement that Bush was lying, and could prove it. We're just private citizens. We don't have access to the sophisticated "intelligence", but yet, they would have us believe that they were taken in by this "evidence"?

Bull.

[madfloridian]

12. I have trouble picturing the drones attacking from the east.

:shrug:

But I don't understand sophisticated intelligence either.

[Bozola]

14. Is suspect that...

Bush changed the title of "Batman : The Movie" to "Saddam, Osama, Some Pasty White Guy, and a Girl in Spanking Leathers: The Threat to the US" and showed it to the committee as fresh "intelligence".

[cthrumatrix]

9. This should be the lead in the nightly news....let's see the media cover

this outright LIE.


Where the heck is our media?

This better be in EVERY major newspaper tomorrow.

[schultzee]

19. The media is American style Pravda now. Forget the media

[pinto]

11. Key Judgements (excerpts from NIE) declassified 7/18/2003

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2002/nie_iraq_october2002.htm

[jbfam4]

15. MORE SECRECY

Who is the SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL ?

Are there any real reporters left who question and investigate?

[pinto]

16. apparently reporters are afraid of being branded as traitors

and losing "access" to deception...frustrating

[jbfam4]

13. This was posted yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=921629

[Zero Gravitas]

23. Shameless Liars

Bush and co are shameless liars. Why not lie to Congress they lie to everyone else. These Senators are morans though if they were taken in by these pathetic fabrications. Suuuuure Saddam is going to launch jury rigged little UAVs off a freighter in the Atlantic with vials of anthrax tied to their undercarriage. Riiiiight :eyes:

Saddam was a paper tiger and Bush & co knew it.

[truthspeaker]

24. so let me get this straight

The president's men lied to the Senate.

And the Senate's reaction is - outrage? indignation? Nope. They just continue kissing Bush's ass. Reminds me of another Senate, many centuries ago, and a man named Julius. We all know how that turned out.

[Hobarticus]

25. Who else is tired of this "I was misled" line?

Any one of us can do a Google search and come up with some basic specs on any active weapons system, no matter who owns it or modified it.

They could have had their staff do some basic high-school term paper research and corraborated the President's claims, or refuted them. Instead, they took it hook, line, and sinker, then claim afterwards that they were misled.

Since when do our elected officials not do any of their own homework?

Whoyacrappin', ya lazy bastards?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

26. why isn't this making headlines?????

This should be on the news 24 hours a day, on every billboard in America, on the lips of every man, woman, and child who never wants to be lied to again by the government.

This seems to involve more than vague references to chem/bio weapons to the north, south, east, and west of Baghdad, somewhat. The Bush administration referenced specific Czech jet fighters that were refitted into drones for delivering weapons. Whether it seems farfetched or not, it's specific and we need to see the intelligence on which these lies were based (if there was any). This is one of the biggest whoppers of all.

[Cocoa]

27. funny to hear Rumsfeld called Rummy

"The notion that someone could launch a missile from a ship off our shores has been on Rummy's mind for years," Pike said, referring to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

I'd love to see a quote calling Bush "Chimpy."

[tableturner]

28. Linked on Drudge!!

I am shocked to see this! By the way, I have sent this link to all of the networks, N.Y. Times, and Washington Post. I hope others will flood the media with this.

[PATRICK]

30. Should have sold each of them

the brooklyn bridge and helped finnance the war while they were at it.

I will bring up the point here though it is broader than the topic. The Internet is an offshoot of the intelligence gathering netowrk of the CIA- the open public information otherwise impossible to widely disseminate and analyse. In effect, the second choice at the founding of the CIA, whether to make all things public or guard secrecy, has come to pass in schizoid fashion. Congress seems yet unaware of this second Intelligence network which would counterbalance the cloak and dagger hokum with sound and reasoned doubts backed up by facts AND secrecy leaks in the Net itself.

In an absurdist sense we are the diametrical opposite of the CIA in many ways. Not secret, not listened to. No "plausible acceptabilty". No government payroll or pragmatist or amoral limitaitons. No black bag. Open compartmentalization. No checkered record of sabotaging democracy(Free Republic aberrations and infiltration by the old school notwithstanding). Trusted and in tune with the majoority of the people of the world.

And on.