Russia Warns U.S. On Iran Moves

[Purveyor]

MOSCOW, Feb. 21 (UPI) -- Russia's foreign minister Wednesday warned the United States not to take military action against Iran.

"The Russian foreign minister said Wednesday U.S.-led multinational foreign forces in Iraq must not conduct military operations outside the country, including against Iran," the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

"The multinational force in Iraq should abide strictly by the UN Security Council's mandate, which does not provide for any operations outside the country," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told the Lebanese magazine Al-Watan Al-Arabi in an interview.

"The escalation of the conflict and its possible spread beyond the Iraqi borders will inevitably result in catastrophic consequences and not for the Middle East alone," Lavrov said according to the report. "I believe Washington understands this."

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http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20070221-100238-7697r

[Journeyman]

1. That may be the problem. . .

Washington may understand exactly what it's getting into.

[oldtimecanuk]

2. Well I am not trying to buff up an ego... But I have been saying...

in many of my posts that if the US attacks Iran there is no way in hell that either Russia or China are going to stand by and watch.... This would amount to probably World War 3 or 4 depending on whom you are speaking with.....

Unfortunately this is one issue I wish I were damn wrong about..... This to me signifies probably the end of the world as we know it for sure. If Cheney has his way, this will probably come to pass.

ww

[CoffeeCat]

3. Why ARE they so hell bent on ending the world?

I really don't understand this.

Haven't they read, "The Road" by Cormack McCarthy? We all lose if there is a full-scale
nuclear war.

I really don't understand why they are so determined to cause
such destruction and suffering.

Are they---A---really psychopaths--who just want to destroy out of pure evil and control?
Are they--B--religious nutjobs who are trying to bring about the Rapture?
Are they--C-- just wanting to make billions more off of war--and the consequences are oblivious to them?

I dunno. I tend to think it's 25 percent A and 75 percent C.

I think their religion is nonexistent and was only used as a vote-getting device.

Who knows.

[wordpix]

8. probably A,B & C combined. Also, consider that a DC insider-repug I know really believes the bs

of this maladministration, talking about "freedom" and "Saddam was a danger to the world and ties to al Quaeda" and "911." :puke: :crazy:

This repug is a very nice guy who's Ivy educated and he's honest. He's not a nutjob, not making $ off the war, not a religious wacko or evil. Go figure.

[LeighAnn]

11. Doesn't speak well for the Ivy League

Might have been a "legacy" scholar like Dubya.

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[UpInArms]

10. I have maintained the belief that these nutflucks are

endtimers.

They think that it's their job to end the world.

:(

[Megahurtz]

35. I Wish that these "EndTimers"

would just End Their Own Times and just leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

I'm so sick of their Psychotic Crap.

[The Doctor.]

20. "The Deadly Meme"

There is a great anguish in humanity, and it has constructed an expedient and characteristic solution to it's pain;

The end of the human race and all human memory.

We know that there are one of two ultimate outcomes for the human race.
One is the transcendence of humanity by constant growth and enlightenment.
The other is absolute Oblivion

In the case of transcendence to the divine, humanity, or whatever we become on the path, will devise the means to achieve anything. One such thing will invariably be the preservation of all consciousness, all memory, every interaction and state of being ever dreamt. Including every fear, torment, and pain ever known.
(Just my HO) :)

Our race is in unfathomable pain, and though not all of us are so well-acquainted with it, I promise you that it transcends the death of it's constituents and has a very real life of it's own. This is the pain and the fear that makes so many so desperate to avoid pain that they wish with all their heart for everyone else to die... and to become immortal and impervious to pain and fear themselves. The great pain that wishes for oblivion has a grasp on these people. And that pain will get it's wish...

Unless we step up and stop it.

[cassiepriam]

36. D. All of the above nt

[CHIMO]

5. Not Necessarily So

With the US and NATO tied down in Afghanistan and Iraq, another country of 65 million people would really tie them up. I would imagine that another four years of also trying to control Iran, would end up with the collapse of the US and their allies.

And China, Russia and all the other aspiring powers didn't have to lift a finger. Sort of like a reverse of the Soviet collapse.

[mc jazz]

28. yes, peak oil also

I don't see Russia being drawn in on this. Mainly because they could let the US sort be forced into a less powerful entity and team up with China, the multi-polar world theory. Also Russia's armed forces are far from ready for any big war, they still need years of investment

Secondly I think peak oil comes into this, I got booted off peakoil.com for suggesting the 'peak' will not be a result of demand naturally exceeding supply but will be artificially brought on by a war (they wanted geopolitics out of the debate, and a nice clean... unrealistic curve on the graph). Anyway I think Putin is saying is the M.E. gets any worse the entire world economy could collapse into depression. His threat may just be warning them of the consequences of massive disruptions to the oil market which shouldn't be understimated as this could easily be a true 'lights out' scenario for large parts of the world

[MadMaddie]

18. I have been saying it too..Putin is gearing up....I suspect that he

may be getting his military ready...but this * administration is so one dimensional that they are not paying attention to other real threats...

The Russians hate Condi....a supposed expert on Russia...and you know she doesn't see it coming...

[BeHereNow]

19. Right there with you.

I agree completely and have said the same as you here for years.
WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA.
AS IF China and Russia will stand idly by...
BHN

[Big Pappa]

22. Neither

China nor Russia are going to risk their entire society to nuclear fallout. Bitch and moan, give aid to Iran in the form of weapons and supplies yeah. But they would never commit to complete annihilation over Iran.

[daleo]

25. Fallout can travel all the way around the world

Don't assume anyone would be safe.

[Big Pappa]

27. Oh I don't

But I cannot believe the Russians are willing to risk it all over Iran. And China is so in bed with us economically that they would piss and moan from the sidelines as well.

[daleo]

34. Things can take surprising turns, though

The guns of August 1914 were set off by a rather long sequence of alliances which ultimately could be traced back to an assassination in Serbia. World War II came about (in part) because Hitler didn't expect France and Britain to go to the wall for Poland. You just never know ho these things can develop.

[blues90]

4. Let me count the ways

They , meaning the BCF do seem to want to debunk global warming , they are willing to pay experts to change their positions .

This tells me oil is their motto and goal .

They also would like to see the population downsized , I link this to the sad economy and the corporate interests which also links with oil and banking .

The global economy also spells it out well , they can now use cheap labor all over the globe and have done more to remove US jobs than to support a strong US economy .

People are no longer important , there are billions in the world at their dispence .

So based on just this alone they seem to feel all of this destruction is in their best interests which is the holder of the resource and this equals the power holders of the globe . They could care less about freedom or democracy these are simply phrases used to convince the public of false best intentions , after all look what they have done with our constitution and our rights .

[carla]

31. I envision

Corporate Interests having a friendly chat with * and Darth Cheney in which they explain (like a pretzel in the throat) that these 2 yahoos are NOT to mess things up by going off half-cocked again. Iranian operatives and the intelligence services of Russia and China are very good at snuffing out competitors that don't have Secret Service bodyguards. Blackwell doesn't seem to have the expertise required to keep the BigBoys safe from a world gunning for them. Corporate Interests dictate that the next step is to wait 11 years and then try to install another *. Russia and China won't need to fire any missiles, they will just poison some sushi, if you know what I mean. Corporate Interests are essentially selfish and this logic seems compelling.
But logic doesn't play well within the Beltway, so miscalculations are possible. Let's all think good thoughts.

[Rex]

6. But but but, I thought Bush looked down Putins gullet and saw his

warm and fuzzy soul! How shocking Bush saw the wrong thing. Look...these assholes are just stupid and dangerous enough to start WWIII (all of them not just the BFEE). The perfect storm for another global war.

[wordpix]

9. "perfect storm for another global war:" unfortunately, the next one is the end of the world as we

know it. Back to the Stone Age, if you survive. :scared:

[leftwingnut]

7. I like to hear this from other countries...

problem is...I think I've heard it before...and before it didn't do any good. I'm still not convinced that this is anything more than just words.

[ohio2007]

12. Just words

We must see what sanctions the UN decides to pass. Whatever meaningless minor slap on the wrist sanctions they decide,they will only hurt Iran's pride. Guess that would be a disaster greater than a foreign invasion.
ANd if sanctions are passed,Russia is in a perfect geographical position to run a black market sanction buster program.

All the mullahs have to do is read the current British press to see that a foreign invasion threat by the British is becoming a diminishing threat day by day.

SO lets just keep talking is all the Russians are saying.

[leftwingnut]

15. oh? is that what the Russian's are saying?

Duh...jeez thanks for explaining that for me...uh...uh



What I'm saying is that yes...the Russians are in a great position to run a "black market sanction buster program" (I like that!)...and they would love to continue 'talking'. But let's imagine ShrubCo. does attack Iran and F***s up Russia's chances at running their "BMSBP"...what's Russia going to do?? That's where I'm at. When ShrubCo. attacks...what are these other countries going to ACTUALLY do??

[ohio2007]

16. I'll take that bet

Name the invasion date.

duhhhhhhhh


As the British reduce their troops...duhhhit makes even more sense we will invade....
well, you say invasion in June 2005,
or June 20006,
or June 2007
or June 2008
or June 2009, 2010, 2011 ????

no matter how much you pray for an invasion, it still hasn't happened,
And it won't.

[leftwingnut]

17. I don't even know what your talking about.

buh bye.

[hang a left]

13. Isn't UPI a moonie outfit.

PS What is all that NATO firepower doing off the coast of Israel and Lebanon? Hmmm?

[Purveyor]

24. Yes it is, however they reported correctly what was published by RIA Novosti...

For your view pleasure:

Military operations outside Iraq unacceptable - FM Lavrov

15:05 | 21/ 02/ 2007

MOSCOW, February 21 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian foreign minister said Wednesday U.S.-led multinational foreign forces in Iraq must not conduct military operations outside the country, including against Iran.

"The multinational force in Iraq should abide strictly by the UN Security Council's mandate, which does not provide for any operations outside the country," Sergei Lavrov said in an interview with weekly Lebanese magazine Al-Watan Al-Arabi.

The long-standing confrontation between the U.S. and Iran deteriorated further January 11 when American servicemen burst into Iran's mission in Erbil (Kurdistan) and detained five officials. American troops disarmed guards and confiscated computers and documents without providing any explanation.

Earlier this month the United States accused Iran of backing the insurgency and unrest in Iraq, and suspects the Islamic Republic of pursuing a secret nuclear weapons program.

"The escalation of the conflict and its possible spread beyond the Iraqi borders will inevitably result in catastrophic consequences and not for the Middle East alone," Lavrov said adding "I believe Washington understands this."

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Don't click on this link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20070221/61060841.html

The "moonies" are watching!!!

/chuckle

[hang a left]

26. Before I reply to your post, I wanted to clarify what you meant by this:

The "moonies" are watching!!!

/chuckle

[roamer65]

14. * doesn't get that Iran is under the Sino-Russian umbrella now.

Iran will soon be a member of SCO, so if you think China and Russia are just going to sit idly by while we attack Iran, you're sadly mistaken.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HD18Ad02.html

[lovuian]

21. Washington understands but they are still going to war

that was in fates hands

[Toots]

29. Aren't we already killing people in Somalia and the Phillipines?

We already expanded the borders without Congressional approval I might add.

[In Truth We Trust]

30. Where is tough as nails bad ass bush**'s rsponse to this. Crickets. FraWd,awol, coward. Maybe it is

time for commander codpiece to break out his mission accomplished dress up suit again.

[The Stranger]

32. Why haven't the real press outlets covered this?

[ShortnFiery]

37. Because WAR is good for the Media CEOs ... The USA's M$M is bought and paid for ...

[cosmicone]

33. Russia should be taken seriously

They have been supplying Iran the weaponry to defend. Especially their deadly anti-ship missiles that the US Navy has no defense against. If Iran sinks a carrier or two, Bushco will have an eye-opener.