Giuliani assails Democrats' health plans

[still_one]

Source: AP

RALEIGH, N.C. - Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on Friday accused his Democratic rivals of embracing health care plans that would amount to socialized medicine.

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The former New York City mayor, responding to comments in the first Democratic primary debate Thursday night, claimed Democrats favor "mandatory" universal health care and the plans would only exacerbate the cost of care by putting the system in the hands of bureaucrats.

"They're moving toward socialized medicine so fast, it'll make your head spin," Giuliani said, adding that private solutions could help bring down the cost of care. "When we want to cover poor people, as we should, we give them vouchers."



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[Fresh_Start]

1. Rudy, if you want to be the hero for the red states

keep reminding them you married your cousin, you're twice divorced, you moved your mistress into your home while your wife was still there, and your children aren't speaking to you.

[Miss Chybil]

4. He should also add...

he doesn't give a shit if they get health care. That will really win them over.

:evilgrin:

[Fresh_Start]

6. and he honored the 9/11 dead by using them in potholes

instead of wasting the money and effort to recover all the remains

[still_one]

8. He was warned NOT to put the emergency center in the world trade center

before 9/11, and he was wrong

He was warned about centralized communications in case of an emergency, and he was wrong

Most of the FDNY know what he really is

[Miss Chybil]

9. and he wanted to put a waterboy for the Mafia in charge of Homeland Security.

Jeez, I don't know how anybody could NOT vote for this guy!

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Rudy figures that everybody else can make millions giving speeches

just like he does. So why bother with health care?

[More Than A Feeling]

3. Rudy's just annoyed that his fans, the insurance industry's bureaucrats,

wouldn't be in charge under that scenario.

[Journeyman]

5. I don't want medical coverage for kids and poor people. . .

I want medical coverage for everyone. If that's socialism, Rudy, then that's "a rose by any other name" . . . and I'll take it as I can.

[Nite Owl]

7. The state of our healthcare system is

so bad people could very well love the bureaucrat that he belittles. It's the CEO's that they don't want. The GOP just doesn't get that, privitization doesn't work and people are catching on, this is old stuff. It's not just poor people, the middle class can't afford a healthcare plan any more either.

[man4allcats]

10. On Fridays, Giuliani dresses up in drag and hits the bars.

Who would trust this guy?!

[BlueStater]

11. What "terrorist threat", asshole?

Honestly, this fuckhead should be tarred and feathered.

[qanda]

12. Well, what do you expect from someone

who thinks a five will buy you a bag full of groceries?

[ClintonTyree]

13. Because the present system is working SO well, right Rudolph?

Certainly there's no need to drastically change the health care industry here in America, it's working so well and all. :sarcasm: 45 (closer to 50) million people have NO health care in our country, Rudolph. "When we want to cover poor people, as we should, we give them vouchers." WHEN we want to cover poor people, Rudolph? (I notice the "as we should" was added as an after thought) :wtf: WHEN has the Reich-wing ever WANTED to cover poor people, Rudolph? You try to disenfranchise their voting rights and you never seem to find that "when", when it comes to insuring the poor. There's never enough money because we're too busy spending billions upon billions for war and the tools of war and giving tax breaks to the richest 3% of our citizens and the corporations they own.

"WHEN" we want to cover poor people, Rudolph? There is no "when" for you Reich-Wing bastards, it's always IF and IF never seems to come up on the agenda. Screw you, you lying, cheating misanthrope. :grr: Let's ask your past wives what a "swell guy" you are and how you can be trusted. I can't believe anyone in the country is honestly considering you for the office of President. You've done absolutely nothing to warrant that consideration. Under the bright lights and close scrutinization of your past we find....... nothing, nothing of substance anyway. But we already have one of those in the White House already. No one bothered to shine the light of truth on HIM before he was sold as a product to the American people either. I only hope the media doesn't foist another cardboard cut-out of a man upon our country like they did in 2000.

"America's Mayor"? :wtf: Please, don't insult our intelligence. America's adulterer. America's liar. America's dissembler but NEVER "America's Mayor" and MOST certainly never, Mr. President. Rudolph. :puke:

[Vinca]

14. From a wealthy man who has access to the best health care

in the world. Go to hell, Rudy.

[lefador]

15. Typical GOP bullshit: appearances over substance...

Whether or not he did anything right is irrelevant, he looked good in the part of the stoic mayor under siege. And he will milk it for what is worth. Symbolism is the M.O. of fascist operations; symbols squash the need to dwell deeper into facts. Rather than spend the time justifying his actions (low approval rate before 9/11, police brutality, un coordinate response before and after 9/11, shady personal life, etc), he just assumes he can run on pictures of him in ground zero and get away with it.

I still find it amusing, how a large portion of GOP politicians who have lived off the proverbial government's tit for most of their careers feel as if public welfare is the worst thing to happen since Lucifer gave the middle finger to God. If they feel that tax-subsidized health care and/or welfare is so bad, I assume most GOP politicians will stuck to their "principles" and will get their own health care coverage payed off their own pocket.


Privatization is great, I mean we only pay more than the rest of the world per capita on healthcare... and yet we get a sanitary system that is ranked 28th in the world. Talk about cost-performance ratio... wasn't the invisible hand supposed to make sure that if you pay the most for a good you should get the best. Otherwise paying top dollar for mediocre service seems quite idiotic, which sort of proves my theory that the US is not a "capitalist" society, but it is rather an inverse-socialist system. In a normal socialist system like in Europe, tax dollars and corporations subsidize a health system for their citizens... in America citizens subsidize with their pay and taxes a health system for the corporations.

(Edited for spelling)

[CBHagman]

18. Good points, lefador.

It's particularly worth mentioning that these GOP critics of government health care plans, benefits, etc., are only too willing to make use of them themselves.

[flaminbats]

16. I'm sick of Republican double talk..

Giuliani says Democrats have "printed up a schedule of that retreat and handed it to its enemies"..

Bush doesn't have to run for re-election..so he doesn't care, but if elected President..Giuliani would be just as likely as a Democratic President to withdraw most of our troops before his first term is over. The real factor that determines how quickly the next President removes our troops is whether or not Democrats still control Congress in 2009. But at least the Democrats now running for President are being honest about withdrawing the troops!

Giuliani says that Democrats only want socialized medicine. But Kucinich is the only Democrat running who wants single-payer healthcare. for Giuliani and other Republicans..even private insurance is considered "socialized medicine". unless the insurance company is allowed to take your premiums and then abandon customers who get a health problem, then it is only "communism"..just like car insurance!

Giuliani has the same solution Gravel does, a reverse deductible! they'll pay for your small an inexpensive problems, but when things get really bad the money runs out. Then you can lose everything, but you can't declare bankruptcy. That means you'll be in debt for your medical problem until you die!

that is "socialized medicine"..enslaving the sick and disabled who can't pay off their medical debts. Is this pro-life?

[CBHagman]

17. In case we'd forgotten how abrasive and callous he is...

Even I didn't think Giuliani could be as much of a posturing opportunist as he is. I stand corrected! Using buzzwords like "socialized medicine," one of the favorite scare tactics of yore, is something I hadn't really expected of Giuliani.

May this clown never darken the doors of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.