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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:04 PM
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Tusk treasures Mastodon fossils found
Source: MSNBC

CARLSBAD, Calif. - Fossilized mastodon tusks and other fragments believed to be as much as 220,000 years old were discovered at a construction site, according to the developer.

Officials at Corky McMillin Cos. said Wednesday that two tusks, an upper jaw fragment with three teeth and vertebrae from a single animal were uncovered during grading for a new housing development.

"This is the first mastodon to be found in Carlsbad, and we're excited to have uncovered two nearly complete tusks," said San Diego Natural History Museum paleontologist Tom Demere.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19255971/



Imagine that? 220,000 years old :evilgrin:
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:07 PM
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1. how cool is that!!!
:wow:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:21 PM
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2. Man, we have found quite a few of those fossils around here.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 11:23 PM by Maat
I live in Murrieta, about 1-1/2 hours north of downtown San Diego - inland. We now have a little local museum chock full of them, and I just love going there. We are about, oh, 30-40 minutes away from Carlsbad.

This is way cool!

Of course, they are only 6,000 years old (HeeHee - the you-know-what made me say that)! :evilgrin:

Seriously, though, I was so scared about what kids may be taught these days, I went out and bought a kid's book on evolution! My kid is going to have a STRONG background in Science, and Dad and I are going to see to that!
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:41 PM
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3. You wouldn't be talking about the Western Center
Museum? I volunteered with my son's class to help out as we went for a field trip there and the fossils were wonderful. I liked the room where you sat on the rocks and felt the gound shake as the mastodons walked past you on the screen. Believe it or not there were some children unable to go on the field trip because it didn't jive with what they learned on Sunday. :eyes:

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02/04/news/californian/22_00_482_3_07.txt
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:50 PM
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6. Yes, that's the one!
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 11:55 PM by Maat
I really enjoy going there. Boy, they did a good job, didn't they?

Wow, just wow, about the kids that were unable to go ... sad, but, then, you know our counties. We have our share of religious nutz out here in SoCal.

On edit:
We're only about 15 minutes or so away from it - we go east on Winchester Road.

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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:01 AM
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7. They did a great job with that museum.
We are neighbors. I will agree with you regarding the nutz...I too bought many science books for my kiddo because his Dad and I wanted to make sure that he has a strong background in this subject also.

In fact, in my original post about the mastodon found in Carlsbad, I heard about it first from my husband who heard it on the radio on his way home from work tonight so I checked out DU and thought I better post it. We get real excited about science at our house. :crazy:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:05 AM
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8. Exactly ..
maybe we can meet up, with the kids, for lunch sometime! Or at the museum!
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:12 AM
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9. check ur pm
:)
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:32 AM
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10. Just did! Thanks (nt)!
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:45 PM
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4. At 222,000 years old that makes those hairy elephants - babies in the world of evolution.
When we lived in Maryland I found a 30 million year old oyster on the banks of Piscataway Creek - people at the Smithsonian told me so.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:48 PM
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5. Wow (n/t)!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:04 AM
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11. No pearl?
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:26 AM
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12. Not true but still funny
Paleoanthropology Division
Smithsonian Institute
207 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20078

Dear Sir:

Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled
"211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post. Hominid
skull." We have given this specimen a careful and detailed
examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your
theory that it represents "conclusive proof of the presence of
Early Man in Charleston County two million years ago." Rather, it
appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of
the variety one of our staff, who has small children, believes to
be the "Malibu Barbie". It is evident that you have given a great
deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be
quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior
work in the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your
findings. However, we do feel that there are a number of physical
attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to
it's modern origin:


1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains
are typically fossilized bone.

2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9
cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest
identified proto-hominids.

3. The dentition pattern evident on the "skull" is more
consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the
"ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams" you speculate roamed the
wetlands during that time. This latter finding is certainly one
of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your
history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh
rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail,
let us say that:

A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll
that a dog has chewed on.
B. Clams don't have teeth.

It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your
request to have the specimen carbon dated. This is partially due
to the heavy load our lab must bear in it's normal operation, and
partly due to carbon dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of
recent geologic record. To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie
dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon dating is likely
to produce wildly inaccurate results. Sadly, we must also deny
your request that we approach the National Science Foundation's
Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen
the scientific name "Australopithecus spiff-arino." Speaking
personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of
your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the
species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound
like it might be Latin.

However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this
fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a
hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example
of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so
effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a
special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens
you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire
staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your
digs at the site you have discovered in your back yard. We
eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you
proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the
Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing
you expand on your theories surrounding the "trans-positating
fillifitation of ferrous ions in a structural matrix" that makes
the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex femur you recently
discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears
Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.

Yours in Science,


Harvey Rowe
Curator, Antiquities
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:21 AM
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13. Thanks for the chuckle. n/t
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:19 PM
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15. That's hilarious.
Thanks.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 10:36 AM
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14. That old, huh? How will that fit in with the fundie museum that has man
and the dinosaur on the planet at the same time? Won't that throw their timeline off a little? Isn't the earth only 6,000 years old according to these scholars?

:sarcasm:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:04 AM
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18. Sadly, these mastodons fell out of Noah's ark
Thus, there are no mastodons currently alive.

They are working on a diorama outlining these "fact" right now, at the Creation Museum.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:01 AM
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20. evil grin n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:00 PM
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16. Mastodon aren't fossils! They've only put out three albums!
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 07:06 PM by rocknation


And they're VERY good. I first saw them when they opened for Clutch...Oh, the ORGINGAL mastodons...never mind...

:blush:
rocknation
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:21 PM
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17. bwahahahaha
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:53 AM
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19. They - rock!
:D
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