For 2004, Bush Has Strength in the White Male Numbers

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-men28dec28,1,6148891.story?coll=la-home-headlines

President Bush's overwhelming strength among white men looms as a central obstacle between Democrats and the White House as 2004 approaches.

In an election season heavily shaped by terrorism and national security, several recent polls suggest Bush could dominate white male voters as thoroughly as Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush did during their three successive presidential victories in the 1980s.

"Clearly, it is where the Democrats are going to have their biggest difficulty," said Ruy Teixeira, a public opinion analyst at the Century Foundation, a liberal think tank.

In the modern political era, Democrats never expect to carry white men, who reliably tilt Republican. But the emerging threat to Democrats in 2004 is that Bush will win white men so decisively that the party can't overcome his advantage with other voter groups that lean in their direction, such as minorities and college-educated white women.

[Paul Hood]

1. Hence Michael Moore's book title. eom

[Name removed]

59. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[xxqqqzme]

76. always a pleasure

to read new posters w/ a passion in their hearts. Welcome!

[cally]

82. Many white males are very liberal

and are working their hearts out to take back our country. I think it's unfair to bash all white males when so many are wonderful, compassionate, caring individuals.

Welcome to DU.

[Pale Blue Dot]

88. I am a white male, and I'd like to say,

In general, we are becoming stupider and more ignorant. And we are still overwhelmingly in control.

White males suck.

[westman]

95. Fortunately,

those with the hebetated faculties you describe are vastly outnumbered by those who remain progressive, forward-thinking, intelligent, and productive.

[westman]

86. If I had said that we should

"control stupid black males as slaves", as your post desired for white males, would you consider me a hateful racist?

You should. Then, upon drawing that reasonable conclusion, you should be introspective.

[Occulus]

92. not to divert the topic, but

the "white man" is reponsible for most of western civilization's ills. Makes me ashamed to share a skin color with the pricks who stole "our" land from the Native Americans, for example.

That's only one example, by the way. Among many. Along with that are the diseases white male Europeans (the Conquistadors) brought with them when they found Central America, which led to the overall destruction of most of the ancient cultures in the region.

When I think of the damage the "white man" has caused other cultres, I'm appalled, outraged, and at the same time, powerless.

We're doing it again in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[westman]

93. Self loathing is self destructive.

[coolhand27]

98. I disagree

I believe the people in power are usually blamed for the failures and ills of a society. And I don't think Western Civilization would be better off otherwise.

[IndianaGreen]

2. Bush appeals to white males with small dicks

those are the only idiots that wet their pants when Bush landed on the USS Lincoln and pranced about with a sock stuffed in his crotch.

Real men, white or otherwise, don't have to prove their masculinity by abusing other people, or in the case of Bush, bombing them to smithereens.

[sasquatch]

3. So that's why God gave me a large Penis

:evilgrin::eyes:

[WillyT]

78. LOL !!! --- Nope, Not Gonna Go There... Wouldn't Be Prudent...

:bounce::evilgrin::bounce:

[izzie]

19. Bush does seem like a wimp as his whole family does.

I will say that these Bush voters seem to think some black Dem is taking their job. I do not get that as more black people are out of work than the % of white men, and then they claim all blacks are Dem. I just do not understand all this. It is unclear logic.But you hear them say it all the time.

[leesa]

37. That's because the GOP has been telling them this for decades

And they have fallen for it. They are angry because they have lost their white, male supremacy, at least a bit of it and rather than blame the corporatists who have stolen their jobs and lost the family farm for them, they pick on someone weaker....blacks or any other minority, women, etc.
These white males have never grown up and they refuse to think but only react against those who are less powerful (hence bombing poor, weak, Muslim countries)

[heidler]

90. UC Berkeley Sociologist Arlie Hochschild studied this and said:

Now I think it's a worldwide story, a kind of economic undermining of patriarchal customs and expectations. And so, with this economic decline may come marital instability -- a lot of hard things have hit this guy.

He said a lot more, and it sounds pretty true.

[kainah]

61. people searching for someone below them

to prove that they are better.... It's an unfortunate reality that few people possess the self-assurance to look inside themselves to discover their self-esteem.

Honestly, I think any objective overview would show that the white male has had a few difficult decades. Long overdue and, therefore, all the more painful. But we should at least acknowledge that, it is true, white males have lost a LOT of privilege in the last 50 years.

NOW, GET OVER IT!

[heidler]

91. They haven't got a clue as to resolving their problem.

Unfortunately men are piss poor at pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

[coolhand27]

99. Easy now......

As a white male with an average "dick" (as you so eloquently stated), I tend to disagree. Bush doesn't appeal to me at all. But I do like a little stubble.......

[Mountainman]

4. He had the same strength in 2000 and lost the popular vote.

I seem to recall the same story reported about in 2000. Dems would not have a chance with the White Male and that will carry Bush to victory.

[aquart]

13. Do you know one white male who did not vote for Bush last time

And WILL be voting for him next time?

Aren't quite a few of those white males factory workers, outsourced IT people, and military?

Show me the poll that says George has new votes.

[AndyTiedye]

24. All The Military Votes Belong To Bush*

They won't vote for him, of course, seeing how fouly he has treated our servicmen,
but Arthur Andersen^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ACCENTURE gets to count the votes, so.....

[tedoll78]

71. I know a number of the opposite.

My Dad couldn't drive himself to vote for either Bush or Gore. Now he's leaning to Dean, which is a bit of a shock to me.

My in-laws.. usually reliable GOPers.. are considering staying at home next year.

[POed_Ex_Repub]

5. Cough cough, angry white male here.

But I'm mostly angry at Bush. (look for several more people like me in 2004) :mad:

[Rebellious Republican]

16. I am with ya POed_Ex_Repub!

I left the party during Prince Jebs first admin down here in Florida. After seeing first hand the rampant corruption and blatant arrogance by these bastards. I have not looked backed, the republican party has been hijacked by a bunch of greedy lunatics. Heres to all of us angry white males.........

:toast:


:kick:
ANYONE BUT BUSH IN "04"

[Cooley Hurd]

17. Both you and POed_Ex_Repub are excellent examples...

...of disenfranchised males who won't vote Repug in 2K4.

Shrub's lost white male swing voters and the military vote. He's left with only the fundies and corporate special interests backing him. And that won't be enough to carry him to victory, despite what Rove says.

Anyone who believes Dean is "unelectable" is deluded. Hell, even Carol Mosley-Braun could kick his ass, and it's only gonna get worse for the Chimp as we approach the election.

[Rebellious Republican]

18. Thanks alg0912, but I am afraid it won't be enough.......

I believe the sad truth is that all Rove has to do is keep up the media propaganda that King George is running neck and neck with the Dem candidate. So when George comes out on top no one will question the black box results. Everyone knows that there will be no way of retrieving the true election results. I do hope I am wrong about this!

:argh:

[Skittles]

29. Hey Reb Rep

why do you suppose you can see what so many others are blinded by? We ask that question constantly here.

[Rebellious Republican]

65. Hey Skittles, I think it comes down to the highly competitive....

world we live in. Everything in life seems to be a competition, to lose is bad, its all around us. Everywhere you look, it is sadly a part of the fabric of our society. Most people that believed in the propaganda put out by the Republican party highjackers do not want to admit that they were wrong. To admit that they were wrong translates into being taken for a ride or to LOSE the game. No matter what the cost, because of this competition, people will not admit that they were wrong to believe, or to LOSE. In my case, I was affected by Neil Bush and his S&L scam back inthe 80's and have never forgotten it. Jeb came into power down here in Florida and had a great impact on my life, negative impact, and unfortunately that is what it will take for others. While the polls reflect what people are saying publicly, they do not reflect what people will do when they get in that voting booth. I have noticed that among some of my hardline wingnut friends, even they are starting to act nervous and while not condeming Prince Jeb and King George to vocally. They have muttered a few desenting remarks(and in their case thats tantamount to treason). However they are not going to admit publicly that they are not happy, or to admit they were wrong, ie.,to be labled a loser! I do believe that either they will vote independent or not at all. In either case that will be one less vote for the Republican party. We need to reach the young people, college students, that are impressionable. Most rightwing young people that I know are extremley vulnerable right now. I know several that were expecting to find high paying jobs when they graduate or graduated. Its not happening, this is the time to strike a cord a pull them over to us. Does anyone remember the effect that college students had on politics in the late 60's and early 70's? It can happen again if we use the tools available. Hope that answers your question.

:hi:

[kclown]

74. Can Limbaugh possibly retain the influence

he had in 2000?

[WillyT]

80. Great Analysis RR, Spot On !!!

Admitting that you were fooled, taken for a ride, wrong, etc... Is hard for anybody. But for this particular demographic, it's nearly impossble. Hope many more come to see the light!

Happy New Year!

:hi:

[lostnfound]

70. Perhaps many Repubs will just stay home on election day..

They won't bring themselves to vote Democrat, but the thought of voting for Shrub again has GOT to make some of them queasy and embarrassed.

[TiredTexan]

66. I, too, am a former Repub,

but not male. I voted Repub in every race from Nixon till 1996. Now I'm a rabid Dem. Just curious, but what woke you up?

[proud patriot]

6. Why do these bush supporting white men hate the Constitution so?

I know many white guys and none of them like bush

[sasquatch]

11. You hang with the Bay Area white men

I live with the Midwestern white man and the Southern Appalachain white man. The SAWM likes Bush because he's willfully ignorant like them and he likes to kill people of color for no reason, like they desire too. The MWM hates!!! GWB because he hits them where it matters.... Their wallets. El Cokehead Loco could kill their sons for lies and belive them. But if he sends their jobs to third world country's that's when the shit hits the fan.


:hi:Have a happy New Year:beer::toast:

[proud patriot]

56. True

:shrug: Happy new year to you too :toast:

[RowWellandLive]

83. Your reply is disgusting

as are the responses to it.

To label the SAWM as racists who want to kill people of color is bigoted, ignorant, and a perfect example of why we don't get their votes. Why is it OK to stereotype white males in the most vile way when we abhor the same treatment of African Americans, Muslims, etc.?

It is my belief that white men vote R simply because they feel the Dems at best don't care about them, and at worst feel they are "fascist wannabe killers of minorities." Mostly there is a wide spread feeling that the Dems are the party of the "special interest" groups and do not court the white male vote like they do minorities, union members, women, etc.

The sentiments expressed on this thread about certain white males certainly seems to bolster their feelings that we do not think to much of them to say the least. Is it any wonder they will vote for Bush??

[freethought23]

49. Cuz they love fascism.

Most of the white guys I know hate Bush, but I guess they aren't manly men. :)

[smirkymonkey]

52. Yes they are!

:)

[pinniped]

7. Ya? They ready to offer their first born son?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Hmm so htey are tellng us again

who will vote for who?

Damn and many of the white males I know are angry at Junior

[shanti]

63. rove is always trying to lay a guilt complex

on the gopers. the "you're either for us or against us" mentality...

[Dover]

9. Yeah, white SKIN HEADS.

....or just your average illiterate, racist, hate mongering hypocrits.

[SayitAintSo]

41. LOL ... that was good

:)

[enki23]

10. this should be so easily capitalized on

this nation is still white men vs. everyone else. our political organization makes this fact an undeniable part our national character.

[stickdog]

12. Meanwhile, Dean's biggest strength is with white males --

particularly white independent males.

But, of course, Dean's unelectable. Right?

[Jim Sagle]

14. So "they" say. I know not why.

:shrug:

[xchrom]

15. i never know what to make of that

bush popular with white men?
sounds like a threat.

[warrior1]

20. I know how to kill this

just say "Draft" to these white males.

[radfringe]

21. when you "do the math" it's not all that impressive

http://www.census.gov/mso/www/pres_lib/gender/sld003.htm


http://www.ameristat.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Ameristat/Topics1/Estimates__Projections/U_S__Population__The_Basics.htm

U.S. Population: The Basics
(AmeriStat, August 2001) In 2000, there were approximately 281 million people living in the United States: 72 million children, 174 million working-age adults (18-64), and 35 million persons ages 65 and over. The U.S. population was 69.1 percent white, 12.1 percent black, 12.5 percent Hispanic, 3.7 percent Asian and Pacific Islander, 0.7 percent American Indian, and 0.2 percent "Some other race." Another 1.6 percent of the population (about 4.6 million people) identified with two or more races.

Between 1990 and 2000, about 33 million people were added to the U.S. population. Hispanics were the fastest growing racial/ethnic group, adding almost 13 million people to the population over this period.

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/nation/intfile3-1.txt
Resident Population Estimates of the United States by Sex, Race, and
Hispanic Origin: April 1, 1990 to July 1, 1999, with Short-Term
Projection to November 1, 2000.
(Numbers in thousands. Consistent with the 1990 population estimates base.)

Source: Population Estimates Program, Population Division, U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, D.C. 20233
Contact: Statistical Information Staff, [phone] by phone, [e-mail] by e-mail (please include telephone number.)
Internet Release Date: January 2, 2001

11/1/2000 white males: 111,502

[no_hypocrisy]

22. Agreed. Victory is assured for the democrats if they can persuade the

overriding majority demographic of non-white males and females of all groups to vote them in. "Hummer Dads" will not ensure a shoe-in for * and his junta.

[chasqui]

39. OK, so that means that there are plenty of women to go around!

[CBHagman]

60. Amen, radfringe.

The media keeps acting as though the population of the U.S. were 65 percent white male of a certain income bracket. Granted, white men of a certain income bracket hold most of the POWER, elected and otherwise, in this country, but you'd have to be completely ignorant of demographics to suggest that the white male vote is the only one to watch and the ultimate swing vote.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. More election propaganda from the people that brought us...

...the Coup of 2000.

I'd be willing to bet that quite a few white males will be voting for an alternative to Junior in 2004, or not voting at all.

But, that's assuming we have elections in 2004.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. So when are all these white males

that support Bu$h signing up for the military? All those poor kids over there now who joined up before Bu$h was waging preemptive war sure could use a break.

BTW: I've got a funny feeling Bu$hCo won't be so anxious to count the military vote next time around.

[Rainbows]

26. This White Male ...

will not be voting for Bush

[mbperrin]

30. This one neither, and I have never voted for anyone

named Bush or anyone with an R after their name, either!

And I'm 51, and have never missed voting since 1970!

[jsw_81]

27. This white male is voting for Howard Dean

George W. Bush will NEVER get my vote in a million years.

[Skittles]

28. Stupid white men supporting stupid white men

:puke:
and all of us freaking pay

[billbuckhead]

31. "Let them eat war" a theory why we do poorly with white guys

"UC Berkeley Sociologist Arlie Hochschild answers the question, "Why are 50% of Blue Collar White Males Planning to Vote for Bush in 2004, Even When He is Picking Their Pockets and Stealing the Futures of Their Children?"

A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW

"George W. Bush is sinking in the polls, but a few beats on the war drum could reverse that trend and re-elect him in 2004. Ironically, the sector of American society now poised to keep him in the White House is the one which stands to lose the most from virtually all of his policies -- blue-collar men. A full 49 percent of them and 38 percent percent of blue-collar women told a January 2003 Roper poll they would vote for Bush in 2004." -- Arlie Hochschild"

---------------snip----------------------

<http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03326.html>"

[DBoon]

33. Lemmings?

A group who so consistently votes against their own self-interest maybe deserves what they get?

Or maybe they don't care how miserable their life gets, as long as there is some foreign brown-skinned menace they can beat up?

[JPace]

32. "Why Blue Collar Populism Works for the Republicans"

http://hnn.us/articles/1715.html

A bit long but worth the read......

"George W. Bush is sinking in the polls, but a few beats on the war drum could reverse that trend and re-elect him in 2004. Ironically, the sector of American society now poised to keep him in the White House is the one which stands to lose the most from virtually all of his policies -- blue-collar men. A full 49% of them and 38% percent of blue-collar women told a January 2003 Roper poll they would vote for Bush in 2004. (1)

In fact, blue-collar workers were more pro-Bush than professionals and managers among whom only 40% of men and 32% of women, when polled, favor him; that is, people who reported to Roper such occupations as painter, furniture mover, waitress, and sewer repairman were more likely to be for our pro-big business president than people with occupations like doctor, attorney, CPA or property manager. High-school graduates and dropouts were more pro-Bush (41%) than people with graduate degrees (36%). And people with family incomes of $30,000 or less were no more opposed to Bush than those with incomes of $75,000 or more. (2)

We should think about this. The blue-collar vote is huge. Skilled and semi-skilled manual jobs are on the decline, of course, but if we count as blue-collar those workers without a college degree, as Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers do in their book Why the White Working Class Still Matters, then blue-collar voters represent 55% of all voters. They are, the authors note, the real swing vote in America. "Their loyalties shift the most from election to election and in so doing determine the winners in American politics."(3)

This fact has not been lost on Republican strategists who are now targeting"
More......http://hnn.us/articles/1715.html

[heidler]

87. Blue Collar White Males

They feel left out of the tech revolution and are worried. The Religious Right feeds them some security bull and they feel less powerless. I believe the Dems. need to up their security with increased min. wage promises. The City of San F. has a $8. plus min. wage and is in the heart of Dem. country.

[GOPBasher]

34. As a white male,

I'd like to say that we are a bunch of idiots.

[mouse7]

35. Why can't progressives get the bigot vote?

Geeee... I wonder.

[gulliver]

36. Clark much?

Clark brings all constituencies to the Dem table, including white males. It is not that Dean is unelectable. It's that Clark is so much moreso.

[Clyde39]

38. Change the sub-text for definition of "macho"

All the high-priced think tanks (Heritage Foundation, etc.) have been slowly pushing the Republican=macho mantra for years. It has worked beautifully for them, especially in the South. Their message---real men and real Christians vote Republican always---doesn't matter who the candidate is!

[otohara]

40. Why do the very Americans who have been hurt the most by George W. Bush's

policies still support his presidency?
Let Them Eat War

Why do the very Americans who have been hurt the most by George W. Bush's policies still support his presidency?


George W. Bush is sinking in the polls, but a few beats on the war drum could reverse that trend and re-elect him in 2004. Ironically, the sector of American society now poised to keep him in the White House is the one which stands to lose the most from virtually all of his policies -- blue-collar men. A full 49 percent of them -- and 38 percent of blue-collar women -- told a January 2003 Roper poll they would vote for Bush in 2004. 1

In fact, blue-collar workers were more pro-Bush than professionals and managers among whom only 40% of men and 32% of women, when polled, favor him; that is, people who reported to Roper such occupations as painter, furniture mover, waitress, and sewer repairman were more likely to be for our pro-big business president than people with occupations like doctor, attorney, CPA or property manager. High-school graduates and dropouts were more pro-Bush (41%) than people with graduate degrees (36%). And people with family incomes of $30,000 or less were no more opposed to Bush than those with incomes of $75,000 or more. 2

We should think about this. The blue-collar vote is huge. Skilled and semi-skilled manual jobs are on the decline, of course, but if we count as blue-collar those workers without a college degree, as Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers do in their book Why the White Working Class Still Matters, then blue-collar voters represent 55% of all voters. They are, the authors note, the real swing vote in America. "Their loyalties shift the most from election to election and in so doing determine the winners in American politics."3

http://motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2003/10/we_558_01.html

[SayitAintSo]

42. HAD to be Bush's "little package" in that flight suit ...

Don't you think ? You know the one that Tweety and Liddy gushed over ....

Had to be ....

:)

[jamesinca]

43. White males are 38%

38% of the voter population. Women are 52% African American men are 4% and Latino men are 6% roughly. My 62 beats your 38% anytime. We need to hold on to opur base, get them out ot the polls. We need to work on the White male population. We are not lost without them, we do need to work on them. Even if he picks up 75% of the White male vote, that is only 28% of the voting population. I will take a 72%-28% whooping of George Bush anyday.

[dolstein]

57. There's just one problem with your analysis

The Democrat isn't going to get 100% of votes of women, African American men and Latino men.

[jamesinca]

81. It did seem a bit black and white my analysis

The point I was trying to make, and in hindsight did not do to well, was that it is only 38% of the population of voters. I am a white male voter and I am not going to vote for Bush ever, on anything. He is not a lock on all white males. I know my father hates the bastard, so does my brother and brother in law. I overheard a couple of old men sitting in the doughnut shop talking about Haliburton's over billing and they did not realize how corrupted Dick Chenney was. They did not feel that it mattered who one voted for, all politicians were corrupt. That was the key to those two guys, both white males. I spoke to a guy at a local coffee house and he told me he voted for Bush in 2000, he voted for the recall here in CA and has toed the Repug line for years. As a retired SMaj after 22 yrs in the army he felt Bush lied to the nation and was misusing the power of the armed forces, he said he would vote for an alternative to Bush. The point being is Bush does not have a lock on the white male vote. Some of the black and white of the headline is not there. Mostly don't ever give up, we will win this thing. The books I have read this winter( James Carville - Had Enough, Michael Moore-Dude wheres my country, Al Franken- Lies and the lying liars.., William Rivers Pitt- The greatest sedition is silence) all call for us to get up and talk to people, spread the word, we the people, that means you!!! I have been doing that. I have been giving to the campaigns both time money and talking to people.

He is not a lock on the white males and we are not a lock on our traditional base, we just need to keep working on it though and maybe we will get the lock on a lot of things and make it a very black and white thing of the world against the American white male. There is always hope.

[wryter2000]

44. We shall see

I doubt he'll be strong with white, male unemployed voters.

[llmart]

45. My white male

33 year old son would never vote for this bloke and has contributed money to Dean, the first time he's ever contributed to a political candidate.

And we had to deal with the "angry white male" syndrome back during Clinton's reign and that was enough. Time for that syndrome to die out. I have a degree in human behavior and someone once asked me to sum up just what these age 50 and over white males had to be angry about. I told them that it's basically because they grew up in an era where society's message was that they were inherently superior because they were men and they were white. Then along came the 60's and they were forced to share the goodies with women and blacks and other minorities, and they didn't like that. I'm 55 years old and it is basically my generation and older who make up the bulk of the angry white males.

I raised my son differently:)

[catzies]

46. Welcome to DU, llmart!

And I think you hit that nail on the head. :hi:

[glitch]

48. Welcome!

and THANK YOU for raising your son differently, our species depends on people like you.

[shanti]

64. "I raised my son differently:)"

and we thank ya for that, partner! :hi: and welcome to du!

[TiredTexan]

67. Good insight.

My ex-husband is 50, and an angry white Repub. My two sons, one 25 and one 16, are both Dems and hate Bush. It does seem generational.

[falcon]

47. Our son

just turned 18 and will register to vote soon. He's a white male and a solid Democrat. There may be hope.

[hedda_foil]

50. Several problems with this analysis.

1. Ruy Teixeira is not a liberal. He's a DLC "centrist." (I've decided to put that word in quotes because it has no philosophical center, but instead is simply a failed tactical maneuver.)

2. If you look at the statistics cited, the percentage of blue-collar white men who are pro-Bush remains only slightly over 40%, which is certainly no majority even of this sub-group.

3. Blue collar (industrial) workers have lost millions of jobs. They are ripe for the retaking ... not by centrist tactics, but by a solid appeal to their economic reality. They have been terribly served under Bush and badly served under Clinton's policies, as well. This is Dean territory. These guys will not respond merely by a return to 1990's-style triangulation, which is what the candidates who are listening to their DLC-trained advisors are offering.

[latebloomer]

51. Just goes to show ya that women are more evolved!

Ever hear that song that goes. "That's right, the women are smarter/ Smarter than the man in every way!" Truer words. . .

(Ducks and covers)

[FlaGranny]

53. It would really make me wonder about white males

IF I didn't have many of them in my immediate family, good Democrats all, and none of whom would even consider voting Republican. I don't think it is white males so much as deluded white males, whether by poor upbringing or being misled as adults.

[smirkymonkey]

54. How about this for a bumper sticker??

"REAL MEN DON'T VOTE REPUBLICAN"

Or "ONLY SISSIES VOTE REPUBLICAN"

That would twist their macho little brains into a pretzel!!

[UrbScotty]

55. Well, this white man ain't goin' for Duh-bya. (nt)

[Dr Fate]

58. How many of them are willing to enlist in Bush's wars?

Or are these big strong suburban white men still relying on "those other people" to fight for their "freedom" for them?

[ochazuke]

62. Follow your great white leader

How about drafting those white males to go fight Shrub's Wars of Empire? I think that their hearts and minds will fail to follow when Bush's got 'em by the balls.

(from a dissenting white guy)

[Fovea]

68. Noting another topic...

White Males consume the most beef.
We need to superglue this one to his ass.

[DemonFighterLives]

69. Bush doesn't control all white males

He has about 1/4 who are Hannity and Limblob followers. No one will ever get through to them. The ones I've had discussions with apologize for anything Bush and are still blaming Clinton for most of the economy and war. They presume to be informed, but the sources are very limited, so in effect they are uninformed. Too proud to admit it.

[flaminbats]

72. So this explains why we can't win in Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho.

"In an election season heavily shaped by terrorism and national security, several recent polls suggest Bush could dominate white male voters as thoroughly as Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush did during their three successive presidential victories in the 1980s."

If you like being surrounded by white men everywhere you go, these are the states to live in!

David Brock wrote about these Leninist of the Right in his book "Blinded by the Right". He states that when communism fell that "the old battle cries of the Democrats as the 'blame America first' crowd-suddenly meant nothing. Anti-Communism as a rallying point 'left conservatives in a sinking boat without a motor,' said Thomas Fleming.."

This partly accounts for Clinton's election victories, and Gore winning the popular vote in 2000. But as fear of terrorism became the rage, Repukes decided not repeat their "past mistakes." This time they shall declare a war on terrorism which they claim will never end, and can never be won. The more we suffer from fear and insecurity, the more they can gain politically. The strategy will be to define terrorism a our greatest threat, and to "blame Democrats first".

[westman]

73. "If you like being surrounded by white men everywhere you go,...

... these are the states to live in!"

That's a racist statement.

[flaminbats]

75. sorry

I didn't say you have to go!

Personally I like a some diversity where I live, not just horny white males hunting for some women. I love everyone!

[westman]

77. ...so you assume that's my race and gender?

[flaminbats]

79. I make no assumptions about individuals posting on the internet.

I leave this up to the adminstrators, moderators, and God..whoever she is!

[RowWellandLive]

85. Of course it is racist

as are many comments on this thread, but don't you know that white males are the one group that bigotry is tolerated against. It is OK to stereotype them in hateful ways such as racists and fascists since it is their group that currently holds power in America. That the middle class average white male feels under siege and rightfully expendable is insignificant and ignored here.

When a position is eliminated due to budget cuts who is the least safe? In every recent example I can site it was the white male that was let go, despite the presence of less competent women and minorities. The white males sense of persecution is understandable, they are easily expendable in the modern day work force. If let go they have no basis to sue for race or gender discrimination. Why take your chances in firing a less competent minority or female? They have a protective shield that white males do not.

It is no mystery to me why white males vote R and will continue to do so in record numbers. We ridicule and ignore their plight because the majority in power are their brethren. Never mind that most are not in that group or share their privilege. We continue to ridicule and belittle a group that is made up of a vast majority of working class stiffs that feel ignored, put upon, and stereotyped because of their race. They are perhaps the most maligned group in the US that it is "fashionable" to demean.

No wonder they can't relate to the Dems and vote Republican. It will be hard to convince them otherwise as long as they are deemed the racist enemy. Who can blame them???

[Ramsey]

84. That's why we should all support Emily's List

EL is getting out the female vote (white and minority, no distinction), who lean decidely Democratic and which helps counteract the white male advantage of the Repukes! EL has a huge GOTV campaign planned in coordination with America Coming Together this year.

www.emilyslist.com

[barbaraann]

89. I think it's the crowd that the "enlarge your penis" spam is for.

These guys are rightwingers.

[101 Proof]

94. This white man...

doesn't and will never support George Dubya Bush.

[takebackthewh]

96. So if

I'm a white male, and I hate Bush, does that make me a pansy or something?

God I hope not.

[coolhand27]

97. Hmmm....

Maybe most white males don't vote Democratic because they feel the white man is the group the Democratic Party cares about the least? Or maybe its just a dissagreement on issues. Either way, the Republican stronghold on white males, especially in the South, will be tough to break.