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Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:01 PM Original message |
Edwards Blasts Obama Lobbyist Plan as 'Fantasy' |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama really should shut the hell up. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. On this issue, I'm surprised Obama doesn't know how seriously bad |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Yup. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
76. Obama's Lack of experience appears to be showing on this one. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. But the corporate media will twist it so he sounds like a friggin genius |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. And right he is! Edwards is "bringing it" He can win this thing. |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Edwards is defining the Democratic Party - that Centrists have blurred for decades! |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. How soon we forget |
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bettync (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. I agree! |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Edwards : Looking good in 08 |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. I with you on this. He is the one we should jump behind. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. What, people shouldn't lobby the government? |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. People should lobby the government. Parasitic Corrupt Corporations should NOT. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm not disagreeing. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. That was the same point Hillary made at the YouTube forum... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Hardly.She said Lobbyists were people too.They are not. |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. You don't know what you're talking about. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. your argument is lucid, but it ignores the central fact |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. If the problem is "capitalism" or "corporations" or whatever, then let's say that. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Unless you target the major, greedy, commonweath-corrupting lobbies |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
91. Edwards trusted them enough to work for a Hedge Fund |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Exactly. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
90. No it wasn't |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. DAvid is against Lobbyists. Not citizens lobbying "lobbyist" implies paid operative. |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. Well then, DAvid |
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donkeyotay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Lobbying as speech isn't the problem; lobbying as bribery is. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I have no idea... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. This is precisely right. If campaigns were funded by public financing, we'd not need ANY bribes... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
92. Why do you think that is what Obama means? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Correct! Edwards has misinterpreted the problem! |
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Inspired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. Defending lobbyists now, are we? Too funny! n/t |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. well this isnt 1802 anymore |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
89. and politicians who accept what are really bribes - legal or otherwise form lobbyists |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'd like to see the new president refuse to meet with any lobbyists |
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potone (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. What I find annoying about these stories is how they are framed. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I think you answered your own question there. n/t |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. true! the hyperbole seems dedicated to just causing controversy |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Corporations are too powerful now to regulate. |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Maybe |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. No doubt. And I hear a lot of "let's just live with it" talk from some of the other Democrats. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Not if we get someone in the WH who will fight hard and play rough |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Corporations are too powerful now to regulate. |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R!! |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. To hell with seats at a table where IMPEACHMENT and prosecution |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. Obama will give lobbyists a seat at the table? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. Not at all. There's a difference between taking money and listening to a point of view. nt |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. He is really driving home the differences between them. Obama wants to expose lobbyist donations |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Good point! |
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JudyM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What's needed is a rule against lobbyists' gifts and donations, and transparency in the government's |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Best post of the thread! |
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JudyM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. Well, thanks, Calteacherguy! It just seems so obvious, doesn't it.... |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
74. We will need a way remove money from influencing elections |
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donkeyotay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
82. Yes, let's end the mass delusion. Corporations give money because... |
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JudyM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Exactly! Legalized bribery. Or the pink elephant in the room. n/t |
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citizen53 (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
26. Edwards on Lobbyists in 2004: |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Thanks for that great information! |
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benny05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Welcome to the DU! |
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citizen53 (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Thanks for the greeting... |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Welcome to DU! |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
27. Kind of like criticizing Vince Lombardi for not winning any Super Bowls |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
31. I have to agree with Edwards here. Also, Fred Thompson was a 20 year lobbyist. |
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Darth_Ole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Hang on here, folks... |
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jaybeat (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Here's what I found... |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. Exactly. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm starting to like him more and more |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
41. This is the first time I've disagreed with Obama |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. Obama is right, and Edwards is being silly. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Tell that to swing-voters who have nothing but negative perceptions of ANY "lobbyists." |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Excluding an entire group of people from having a voice is not leadership. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Scapegoating lobbyists can make a candidate appealing enough to win a leadership position. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You are denying the nature of Democracy. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. The nature of a Democracy I want has nothing to do with back-slappers with big check-books. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. If you read my post you would see that I agree with you on the big check-books. nt |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. It's not me you need to convince. It's the swing voters and apolitical, regular joes. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I like your solution. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Edwards is responding to an opponent in a political contest. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. Nice to know that Obama wants to give all the marginalized corporate lobbyists a "seat at the table" |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. This is why Obama's (& Hillary's?)position is a mistake- it is very easy to frame it that way. n/t |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. oh come on. If you think Edwards is talking about NOW, then you are just making stuff up |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm liking Edwards more and more everyday |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's official. I am now backing Edwards. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Welcome aboard! |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
62. There is no question that he is our best [ONLY!] chance |
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Darrell Davis (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-17-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
65. Edwards, Obama and so on.. |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
78. R&K for John Edwards! |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
81. You all are confusing contributions with lobbists. n/t |
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JudyM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Corporations lobby individually and thru industry groups and they donate through their "PACs" - |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying |
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JudyM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Agreed, but lobbyists (corporate and non-corp) can continue to make donations, same difference. n/t |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Campaign finance reform |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
88. There's a difference between |
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