Europeans angry after Bush climate speech 'charade'

[cal04]

Source: The Guardian

· US isolated as China and India refuse to back policy
· President claims he can lead world on emissions

George Bush was castigated by European diplomats and found himself isolated yesterday after a special conference on climate change ended without any progress.

European ministers, diplomats and officials attending the Washington conference were scathing, particularly in private, over Mr Bush's failure once again to commit to binding action on climate change.

Although the US and Britain have been at odds over the environment since the early days of the Bush administration, the gap has never been as wide as yesterday.

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"It was a total charade and has been exposed as a charade," the diplomat said. "I have never heard a more humiliating speech by a major leader. He (Mr Bush) was trying to present himself as a leader while showing no sign of leadership. It was a total failure."


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/29/usnews.climatechange

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[hatrack]

1. Yeah Cal04! Now I get to K&R again!

:toast:

[dickbearton]

40. Bush's speech was for American consumption...

They are the only ones left, who believe this liar.

[Canuckistanian]

2. This is going to have far-reaching consequences

This is bad.

The man must be stopped before he destroys the planet. This is a dangerous precedent.

[truthisfreedom]

3. That's our bush. "Do nothing that doesn't help the BFEE."

He's not the guy you want in charge of anything.

[maseman]

4. They shouldn't be mad...

They should be used to Bush acting like a child.

[rodeodance]

5. 'He was trying to present himself as a leader while showing no sign of leadership.'

what a hoot!! gowd. the truth is OUT

[calimary]

37. Does anybody remember during one of the debates with Al Gore

when bush was asked some question to the effect of - "how do you know you can lead this country in... ?"

Anybody remember how he started his answer? If MY memory serves (and I remember this because I remember being COMPLETELY flabbergasted at the ridiculously half-assed "logic" behind it, PLUS how nobody else EVER pounced on it and reacted to the utter lameness of it), he said something like "'Cuz ah'm a LEADER," . Yeah. Sure, chucko. You know you can lead because you're a leader. You know what sovereignty is because you have sovereignty.

Good LORD.

Sounds like he was trying to pull the same crap over on the Europeans who are FAR more jaded and cynical of this kind of shit, plus they come to this with a couple of thousand years of civilization and the kind of experience that by now is built into their deepest, longest-lived genetics.

"'Cuz ah'm a LEADER."

Just 'cause I say so, that makes it true.

Maybe that's how he's gamed the system so far, and bullshitted enough of the gullible up til now. Maybe that's how he plays it with a compliant media that doesn't bother to fact-check and figures that if you cover what someone says and then what somebody else says, that's enough. Maybe that's how he plays it with hand-picked and individually-vetted crowds already preprogrammed to fawn and gush and not ask any questions and meekly take what he says at face value.

Maybe that's how he was brought up. As you think it, so it is. If you dress the part, you ARE the part. If you act like something's true, then that just magically MAKES IT TRUE. And you don't have to back it up, you don't have to prove it, you don't have to present documentation or other proof to justify your claims, you don't have to worry about any responsibility you might have for what you say and do (especially if you always have some wealthy, influential clean-up crew following you around picking up after you and fixing or replacing everything you've just broken).

If you're never held accountable and you're told your word is good enough and you just have to show up and because your marvelous omnipotent self is present, that's all you need and it'll just somehow be handled for you, then this is how you behave. And this is what happens when you're suddenly plunged into a new pool with a bunch of old hands who've been at it for centuries, and who wrote the book that you lied and said you studied, and who've seen, tolerated, AND overcome far bigger blusterers than you.

I mean these are people whose history shows they've survived Napoleon, Hitler, the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Turks, the Moors, the Vikings, Charlemagne, Vlad the Impaler, the Serbs versus the Croats, the Kaiser, the Arch-duke Francis Ferdinand, Wallis Simpson, Henry the 8th, Ann Boleyn, Katharine of Aragon, Mary Queen of Scots, Lady Jane Grey, Louis the 16th, Marie Antoinette, the Diet of Worms, the Council of Trent, Hannibal, Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition, the Holy Roman Empire, the OTHER Roman Empire, the Caesar-du-jour, the Pope-du-jour, the Prime Minister-du-jour, Constantine the Great, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Ivan the Terrible, the War of the Roses, King John, Stalin, Mussolini, the Vichy government, the parallel papacy in Avignon, Robespierre, the Medicis, Oliver Cromwell, Neville Chamberlain, Ferdinand and Isabella, Lenin and Trotsky, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ceaucescu and Milosevic, Tito, Bloody Mary, the Third Reich, the Industrial Revolution, the Protestant Reformation, the rise and fall of feudalism, the Black Death, absinthe-drinking, and Golrod the Flatulent for all I know. They've seen enough emperors, dictators, conquerers, marauding hoards, blood feuds, and prancing good-for-nothing poseurs to cover several millennia. People who've been through that, and more, through the ages, see george w. bush as a speck of lint merely to be flicked off the shoulder of their business suits.

george w. bush is little more than a boorish, spoiled, tantrum-throwing toddler to them. They've already seen (and become bored with) a few hundred tin-plated despots like him.

[Homer Wells]

45. You tell 'em, Calimary

I've just come back from a week in Greece, and have seen firsthand the artifacts of a grand history in that region. Those folks over there take their politics damn seriously,and I heard NOTHING good about our little Napoleon-wanna-be from all I talked to.

Happy to Kick and Recommend this thread.

Steve

:hug:

[calimary]

49. Envious of you - GREECE!?!? Aw man... How heavenly is that?

I'm not surprised at the reaction. From what I've read, the rest of the world must think we've all lost our frickin' minds. All you have to do is compare the reception for Bill Clinton to what little georgie gets when he sets foot on foreign soil. They LOVE Bill Clinton. They recognized the embarrassing, shameless, partisan persecution the nutcase piss-ants here put him through - for exactly what it was. They saw a true world leader - one of genuine and altruistic greatness, with some of the most formidable brainpower and creative thinking and resourcefulness and energy imaginable. By contrast, they see something FAR smaller, more pathetic, more petty, and more puny in george w. bush. They see him for what he really is, and their media isn't in existence to cover for him and persecute those who'd blow the whistle on him or try to thwart his agenda. They actually get the straight story on him, dispassionately presented, and not run through the spin-cycle or otherwise sanitized for his protection. He doesn't have an echo chamber anywhere else on earth but here. I guess for that we should be grateful.

[DeepModem Mom]

6. K&R

[rodeodance]

7. Wish this headline was in a US paper!!

[OnyxCollie]

8. What a tool. nt

[ananda]

9. Bush: the most successful failure ever!

A+ for hypocrisy, lying, shaming our country,
stupidity, and general all round meanness.

[olddad56]

12. sort of a cross between Forest Gump and Alfred E. Newman.

[Name removed]

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[olddad56]

11. psst...he's got the nukes, and he's not afraid to use them...

and he is as sick or sicker than Hitler, maybe that is why these pussies won't come out and confront him.

[WCGreen]

16. He's not gonna nuke Europe...

[DLnyc]

28. Yes, it would be nice if Europeans, Chinese, Russians, Indians, etc.

in addition to pointing out (absolutely accurately) that * is an idiot, Cheney is a criminal and current US policies are threatening the survival of modern human civilization, would actually DO SOMETHING such as:

Band together in the UN and censure US military agression
Boycott US products
Stop selling to US
Band together to militarally protect states threatened by US
Refuse to meet with the boy king, kindasleezy, deadeye and cetera

[liberation]

35. So what are you Americans doing?

Other than electing him *twice*, even the supposedly opposition party is rubber-stamping every policy initiative he wants, and I would like to see an America media outlet print or distribute articles that would be even 1/10th as scalding as what has been published about Bush and his merry friends for the past few years else where.

At least some European governments have had the balls to give this petulant twit the middle finger and pull out their troops (i.e. Spain) a few years ago, because their citizens *gasp* demanded it, what a concept. You are not even pulling out, but actually committing more troops (surge).


Yeah, interpretative dance by a bunch of hippies sure wowed the rest of the world about how Americans conduct opposition to a rogue regime. It's been what 7 years for the mainstream media to even contemplate that this utter moron is not the second coming of Jesus.

Yeah, an American sure should have the balls to call out the Euros...

Seriously where do some people in this country get the gall from, if we could tap into it all our energy needs would be solved!

[oldtime dfl_er]

41. Sorry, but he wasn't elected twice

Two elections were stolen.

[DLnyc]

43. Refer to post 28, above

Cut us off before we kill again! Amputate the American Empire!

If the rest of the world would stop buying MacDonalds, Coke and stupid Hollywood thrillers, the whole thing would collapse in a few weeks. Stop complaining and start boycotting!

[awoke_in_2003]

44. I would love to tell you

how wrong you are, but, sadly, I can not. I have to agree wholeheartedly. Opposition party, indeed.

[HuffleClaw]

13. CNN: U.S. prepared to cut greenhouse emissions, Bush says

gotta love that 'liberal media'!

[olddad56]

14. Bushes whole life has been a charade...

how stupid did the people who voted for him have to be?

[Frisbee]

30. Every time I hear...

...that Kucinich is "unelectable" I have to think "Fuck, there has never been a more unelectable person than GWB, and HE somehow got elected". He is living proof of the old saying about how anyone can become President in this country. It's really a shame he didn't stick to the coke and booze.

[Californian Dreamer]

15. "a total failure"

Yup, that's our chimperor, doing what he does best.

[Jemmons]

17. This is what we think about america

[hatrack]

19. And if that doesn't say "bright future", I don't know WHAT does!

:eyes:

[Lisa]

18. "humiliating" and "failure" -- I didn't even have to look to see who they meant

"trying to present himself as a leader while showing no sign of leadership" -- that pretty well sums up his entire time in office.

[Judi Lynn]

20. Kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[humbled_opinion]

21. He doesn't even know what a Charade is...n/t

[Jaap]

22. We, Europeans, are..

..always angry at Bush. :grr:

Even when he breathes he produces too much CO2 :thumbsdown:

[0007]

23. The United States of America is fast becoming the pariah of the world.

What an embarrassment this so-called leader of the U.S. is!

[Vogon_Glory]

27. Something to remind your Rethug and Conservaturd Acquaintances

Something to remind your Rethug and Conserva-turd frieds and acquaintences: Remember when the US was accepted and acknowledged as a world leader instead of being seen as a rogue state?

:mad:

[Pierzin]

24. Because He Is A Loon!!! Bushco can't be trusted with a cookie jar

... they might break it.

[Psyop Samurai]

25. "Although many of those attending...

...had predicted the conference would break up without significant agreement, there had been hopes that Mr Bush, in search of a legacy, might produce a surprise."

People aren't following the script very well, are they?

[Vogon_Glory]

26. Sorry, George!

Sorry, George! Too bad that the Europeans know the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk when it comes to environmental issues. And ain't it a gosh-darn shame that them Euro-peeeans don't have gutless news organizations like NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN ready to spring to your defense like trained attack poodles?

:sarcasm:

[lovuian]

29. Actions speak louder than words

Bush spouts lots of words and does the opposite

[go west young man]

31. Finally Europe is starting to realize he doesn't give a fuck about them.

Scientists could say the Earth is gonna burn up tomorrow and all Bush would do is check his bank account.

[MelissaB]

32. That's our Bush..."total failure."

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. What a fucking embarrassment. I am going to London for three weeks....

Any chance I can get away with a Canadian accent. ;)

[awoke_in_2003]

47. Just say

aboot, been(sounding like bean), and eh alot.

[Vidar]

34. It's time for Europe & the rest of the world to put Bush on a "No-Fly,

Not-Welcome" list.

[Mushroom]

36. OMG...

"A senior European diplomat attending the conference, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the meeting confirmed European suspicions that it had been intended by Mr Bush as a spoiler for a major UN conference on climate change in Bali in December.

""It was a total charade and has been exposed as a charade," the diplomat said. "I have never heard a more humiliating speech by a major leader. He was trying to present himself as a leader while showing no sign of leadership. It was a total failure.""


...like a common troll in a womans forum, putting the kibosh on progressive direction to protect his own status quos.

How gross is that.

[Seedersandleechers]

38. That's it!!!

All I have to do is provide the documents and I can be an Italian and US citizen. I'm so close to packing my bags....

[Uncle Joe]

39. Well damn,

who could've seen that one coming!:wow:

Thanks for the thread cal.

[LaStrega]

42. k + r

"I have never heard a more humiliating speech by a major leader. He (Mr Bush) was trying to present himself as a leader while showing no sign of leadership. It was a total failure."

Once again, Mr. Bush displays he's a mind-numbing boob.

Wait, that's a total offence against boobs.

He's a mind-numbing ... I can't find the words.

[RestoreGore]

46. And this is surprising?

UN. Bali. December. We don't need Bush to do this.

[Dukkha]

48. I believe the term is 'Miserable Failure'