Jimmy Carter calls Cheney a "disaster"

[jefferson_dem]

Source: Reuters

Jimmy Carter calls Cheney a "disaster"

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a "disaster" for the country and a "militant" who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.

Cheney has been on the wrong side of the debate on many issues, including an internal White House discussion over Syria in which the vice president is thought to be pushing a tough approach, Carter said.

"He's a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world," Carter told the BBC in an interview to air later on Wednesday.

"You know he's been a disaster for our country," Carter said. "I think he's been overly persuasive on President George Bush and quite often he's prevailed."

Asked to comment on Carter's remarks, Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the Republican vice president, said, "We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1026419120071010?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[bonito]

1. Right on Jimmy! Recommended

[Acadia Blue]

37. Cheney is a crimninal.

[defendandprotect]

39. Well, IMPEACHMENT or JAIL ... I'll take either one -- !!!

[flaminbats]

64. too many Democrats fear impeachment..

it surprised me when Carter suggested that hearings or impeachment was a bad idea. I agreed that removing these people are what elections are for, but impeachment plays a critical role as well. neither Cheney or Bush will be removed from office by Congress, but impeachment showcases the information needed to transform mere speculation into the unmistakable abuse of power and lawlessness of these rats.

Cheney is certainly a disaster for this country, yet the more the public knows and Democrats uncover..the more voters will support us in the next election. we must not allow torture and cover-ups to be classified in the name of national security.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

76. Never mind Impeachment, Iraqis should be able to hold Bush/Cheney accountable like they did Saddam.

...and if they come up with the same punishment... :shrug:...so be it.

[luckyleftyme2]

83. both will be good for starters

this is a man who when ceo of halli(pick ur pockets) burton made an oil deal with iran.
and iran was on the ought not to trade list. he set up a fraudgelent off shore office that got caught ignoring the laW.(A WRIST SLAP WAS THE RESULT)
He has always acted like he was above the law.I think that if he is alive in 2009 he will face the piper. a good start would be to tie up all his earthly means in court.
evidently the leader of "iran" is bucking the "status quo" so now he wants to bomb them.
I say strap him on the first guided missle headed to "IRAN" AND GIVE HIM THE GO BUTTON
1000/1 SAYS HE'LL NEVER PUSH THE BUTTON.but he would if your son was on it!

[Kikosexy2]

87. Darth Dick is...

pure EVIL...evil and must be destroyed by all means possible...why hasn't that ticker failed yet...is Duracel that good?...

[Lisa]

2. as usual, Jimmy is too polite!

Personally I would categorize Cheney as "a hideous monster totally lacking the slightest trace of empathy".

[dickbearton]

26. Exactly, Cheney is a traitor and a war criminal, and should be dealt with accordingly.

[Cronopio]

3. "We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric."

They don't engage with the truth. They'd rather take their version of "the high road" and try to marginalize it.

[BOSSHOG]

7. We don't engage in such rhetoric, so go fuck yourself

[Lasher]

21. Ha ha, now that's a good one.

:7

[spooky3]

17. oops, sorry, saw your post after posting a similar thought!

[Beartracks]

66. Yeah, that's rich.

"We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric."
:spray: :rofl: :spray::spray::rofl: :spray: :rofl:

Do the Republicans hire comedians as spokespersons?

[southerncrone]

71. "We're not going to engage AT ALL when it comes to discussion."

[JerseygirlCT]

103. So we'll just send Lynne Cheney out to do it, instead. nt

[notadmblnd]

4. This could be the beginning of a beautiful thing

I read an article earlier that Condi has issues with him too in re Syria. I hope this gets a lot of play and the attack on Cheney grows.

[subsuelo]

18. really

where did you read that?

[notadmblnd]

52. Right here on DU

search on Condi and Cheney ,debate, and Syria. I'll see if I can find it.

on edt: An Israeli Strike on Syria Kindles Debate in the U.S.//between cheney & condi

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2013331

[Aviation Pro]

60. Cheney and Rice have hated each other's guts from day one....

...they should devour each other and be done with it.

[avrdream]

5. Go Jimmy!

I have this image in my head of Dick Cheney as a child, playing with his toy soldiers.

[waiting for hope]

12. Aww, isnt that sweet!

:D

[Olney Blue]

75. Lil' Cheney!

rrr rrr rrrrrr rrrr (he only growls- so funny!)

[Kolesar]

6. You were an inspiration, Jimmy

Best President I have ever seen. Totally on-message with how to treat the Earth and how to treat other citizens...in any country of the world.

[Rambis]

8. Love the Jimmy!

His speech at the University of Iowa in April was stellar!
"The 2000 presidential election, if you can call it an election"

[waiting for hope]

9. I love Carter!

K&R!!

[ck4829]

10. "We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric."

You guys engage in it all the time.

[spooky3]

16. She meant: "We're not going to engage in truth-telling."

That's the type of rhetoric they fear/hate.

[Doctor_J]

35. Now go fuck yourself, Mr. President

[RFKHumphreyObama]

44. Hello...reality check...Ms Spokeswoman

Your boss has done so several times in the past -against Kerry, Edwards, Leahy and many others. You really need to get a new line

[Bitwit1234]

11. cheney is a pitiful loathsome creature

he knows they only reason any real person would even associate with him is because of his money and his power. If he was without these two, he would probably be sitting all alone, talking to himself.

[hadrons]

13. ... and posting on freerepublic.com

[ShortnFiery]

14. The whorish Corporate M$M will excoriate him, but I love Jimmy Carter!

Jimmy Carter :yourock:

[shanti]

15. he's in rare form today!

two spot on observations from my favorite president!

[HughMoran]

19. He was nice - I call him a war criminal

...because he is.

[Pastiche423]

20. Kudos, Mr.President!

I :loveya: Jimmy Carter!

[travellerev]

22. Torture

And he pointed out that of course the USA tortures.
One day Americans will look back and realize that Carter was one of the best Presidents they had.
They just weren't ready for him.

[Stardust]

65. Welcome to DU! He'll always be The Best, in my book. I wrote a letter

to him when he lost the election that America had lost its chance for true greatness, or something like that. He's a treasure.

[Faygo Kid]

23. Cheney and Bush are the two worst influential people in U.S. history

And you can throw a few other names (Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice) in there as well.

Cheney and Bush don't rate very high in world history, either. Behind Hitler, but above many other megalomaniacs.

[howmad1]

46. Wait a minute;

Aren't you forgetting Reagan and Nixon, who also rate lower than bat shit in world history. Interesting that the three worst presidents in the US of A have been rethuglicans. :wtf:

[madrchsod]

24. jimmy has the credentials to back what ever anyone

throws at him...besides his parents the most influential person in his life was Hyman Rickover.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover

[bluerum]

25. I suppose this I should see this in a positive light - but when someone tells

you that shit stinks it is hard to get that excited.

edit to add "it is hard to get that excited."

hmmm

[Prophet 451]

89. True

But at least we can amuse ourselves lobbying grenades at the Republican outrage machine when it starts up.

[bjobotts]

27. DUH! Still nobody will do anything. We have enough to put him in prison

[DemoTex]

28. Thank you, sir!

K&R


Gov. Carter takes a ride in a Grumman OV-1 Mohawk

[lumpy]

94. Thanks for posting the pic Demo Tex.

I had not seen the picture of Carter before (my favoprite prez). Thanks also for being you, love your posts.

[Betsy Ross]

29. not going to engage in this type of rhetoric

You mean TRUTH?

[bridgit]

30. Go Jimmy!! Someone has to drag these shadow creatures out into the sunlight...

:patriot:

[DutchLiberal]

31. How many days will it take for him to back down this time?

On edit: And he's a fool for complimenting Condoleeza Rice.

[ginchinchili]

32. I've always like President Carter...

...and my admiration for him only grows with time. He's a very courageous intellectual and patriot. It's sad that the stark truth has become so strikingly refreshing today in our country. I raise my glass to you, Mr. President.

[Grandrose]

33. Thank you President Carter! (K&R)

I love that man for his honesty and truthfulness, history will be kind to him!:patriot: :kick:

[Aristus]

34. Every time I read something Jimmy Carter has said or written, I always hear

that gentle Georgia accent in my mind. Go get him, Mr. C! :bounce:

[DemoTex]

41. I "campaigned" for Jimmy (for Ga. Gov.) in Viet Nam in 1970.

That amounted to talking to fellow Georgians and making sure they were registered and had applied for absentee ballots. However, the monsoon and a typhoon delayed our mail so much in October 1970 that I doubt if my vote for Carter was ever counted. Mattered not, in the end.

BTW: Who was Carter's Lt. Gov. (elected separately)? None other than avowed racist, and former Georgia governor, Lester Maddox.

[Diclotican]

42. Aristus

Aristus

Same as mee then;). He was on BBC world tonight.. Old, gray but what a man... US wil loose a great man when he day.. I hope it is long after mr Chenney and mr Bush is either trown in prision, or out of office...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Aristus]

53. Welcome to DU, Diclotican!

You're English is much better than my Norwegian, that's for sure. B-)

It's good to have you here. :hi:

I hope I can visit your beautiful country someday. :-)

[colorado_ufo]

74. A big DU welcome to you, Diclotican!

I have enjoyed reading several of your posts - great to have you here.

[Diclotican]

79. colorado_ufo

colorado_ufo

Thank you;). Good to know the warm welcome I have getting here on DU;)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[colorado_ufo]

90. No worries, my friend -

we all understand you perfectly. :)

[Diclotican]

96. colorado_ufo

colorado_ufo

;)

[emilyg]

36. Go Jimmy!

[defendandprotect]

38. Come on Jimmy . . . Shouldn't we IMPEACH a "disaster" . . . ?????

[Diclotican]

40. jefferson_dem

jefferson_dem

If a man like Carter are been ticket off, and tell what he is really meaning. Then Chenny must have doing big DODO.... And he HAS been that.. Both mr Bush and mr Chenney have been a catatrope for US... Your reputation are not exactly on the top of the world the last 7 year. And I guess it wil take a LONG TIME BEFORE US ARE ON THE TOP AGAIN...

And as one of the pepole here have sayd, when I write what he are saing I to hear his soft georgian dialect.. And I really enjoy it;). I am to young to really get him as a President, but I do belive he was one of the finer president US had, in the 20 century...
And after that it was going downhill.. Wel you get a "dip up" when Clinton was in the house, but after that... O dear you are rock botton with this pear of devils...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Maestro]

48. Don't worry about your English

And I heartily agree with you! By the way, you speak better English than *!

[Jackpine Radical]

43. Hw long before they take Amy hostage or something

and force him to recant like he did last time?

[Ahpook]

45. I love Jimmy, but...

we can scream names all fucking day.

Why aren't these assholes locked up yet? FUCK:(

[HereSince1628]

47. Yes, but when some people scream, others actually notice.

My screaming doesn't get sympathy from my SO, and with Jimmy Sensenbrenner as my rep I get no traction there, either.

[Ahpook]

50. It's like a nightmare come true?

I suppose i am a stooge? Watching this country really go down the shiter is something i never would have imagined.

What can we do, my friends?

On some of my more self medicated evenings, i have said i am going up to the Smokies on a permanent vacation. Or just move out of the country. But that seems like a shitty move when i sober up.

Crazy thoughts running through my head.

This whole thing is fucking crazy..

[HereSince1628]

51. What to do? I stand in the moment of silence before I begin my classes

and ponder that very question as I look over students and see faces that have no idea of the good things of which they have been robbed.

[Ahpook]

55. Things have changed drastically.

I suppose the youth will not recognize this because they have nothing to reference?

Of course there are oddities in this dynamic. I have seen a few here actually.

Anyway, it is a terrible feeling. If you see a dim fire burning somewhere in the Smokies, come say hello:)

I am almost to that point..

[diane in sf]

49. You go Jimmy!!!

[Golden Raisin]

54. Bravo President Carter! Now could we hear

the same words coming forcefully, publicly and repeatedly out of the mouths of Pelosi, Reid and ALL the candidates running for the presidency? God damn it, I'd just love to hear one of them let Bush and Cheney have it with both barrels like Carter did. Of course they are all too busy bending over backwards being "bipartisan", collegial, keeping their powder dry and desperately trying not to offend any voters or Republicans.

[unkachuck]

56. Mr. President....

....you're a great individual who speaks the truth; cheney is every bit a 'militant disaster' for the entire world....

....although I'm a hopeless cynic, if you were to recommend a course of action I was unhappy with, I would believe it to be true and necessary....

[minnesota_liberal]

57. The White House will denounce Carter for his "overly critical remarks"

And, unfortunately, Carter will probably retract or apologise for his statement.

We've seen this before with regard to remarks about Dubyah. I wish Carter wouldn't back down.

[Raejeanowl]

61. They'll Denounce, Certainly

But I doubt Jimmy will back down. It wouldn't be in keeping with his character. Who's he beholden to, anyway?

[Beartracks]

67. They'll probably try to "remind" everyone...

... what a failure Jimmy was at foreign policy, comparing his failed rescue mission in Iran to Bush's raging success in Iraq. Because, as every nitwit knows, military force IS foreign policy! Unlike Carter, Bush has achieved everything he set out to do! HIS plans worked, and are still working! Just ask the people on his payroll! Etc., etc., ad nauseam. :puke:

[NoGodsNoMasters]

58. Jimmy Nails It.

Of course this is no news to anyone on this forum, but good to hear, regardless.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

59. GO JIMMY CARTER............

Bravo.

You continue to be an elder statesman whose advocacy for peace and the poor and disadvantaged speaks for itself.

Even as your church has abandoned you, there are many who stand by you.

Peace and grace to you.

[codjh9]

62. You're damn right, Jimmuh!!! He's also a *monster*. n/t

[Iwillnevergiveup]

63. Miss Lillian.....

You did REAL good!

[Vidar]

68. Recommended for Jimmy. I still want see Cheney and Bush accorded the Mussolini treatment.

[eridani]

69. Hey, Jimmy! Howzabout backing H Res 333? n/t

[Wapsie B]

70. Amen Mr. President!

Now just get Nancy Pelosi and her House Colleagues singing that same tune.

[ProudDad]

72. Think cheney's ever going to get the Peace Prize? (n/t)

[Wetzelbill]

73. We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric and we'll swiftboat

anyone who says otherwise, or at least accuse them of fathering a black child out of wedlock.

[sarcasmo]

77. Kick for Jimmy.

[Ian David]

78. Tomorrow, he will apoligize for being inapropriate, just like he did last time. n/t

[Baby Snooks]

80. Cheney is not a disaster

He is an apocalypse.

[Broadslidin]

81. Having People Murdered in order the protect U.S. corporate interests: "NUTS"

:argh:

[liberal N proud]

82. Be careful Jimmy

Cheney's got a gun

But we are all here for you

[Dukkha]

84. Why can't Carter be our Speaker instead of Ms Backstabber

who'd gush over the pig calling Cheney a loving man from a loving family.
Take notice Pelosi, this is what a REAL leader looks like to sticks to his principles!

[mdmc]

85. Carter has been the BEST president in my lifetime

Much better than BigDog or Ray-gun.

[paulk]

86. I was living in Wyoming when he was first elected as that

state's representative. I've always been aware of who this guy was - and I was dumbfounded when the media, during the run up to the 2000 election, presented him as some kind of elder statesmen; a guiding hand for the inexperienced Bush - when in fact he was one of the top five most extreme right wing ideologues during his time in Congress.


Carter is completely right to call him out.

[Prophet 451]

88. Nice effort, Jimmy, but far too mild

I understand why you have to temper your words but a more accurate statement would have been:

"Cheney is a mass-murdering psychopath and his entire puppet administration has been founded on the principles of naked greed and sociopathic malice. The only difference between the Bush administration and Hitler is numbers".

[clarence swinney]

91. CARTER GREATNESS

COMPARE CARTER TO REAGAN

(4 yrs to 8 yrs. So, use Average per year on some and Monthly average also.)


--------------------JOBS-------------------------------------------------

Real Increase—Carter-13.0% in 4 years—Reagan-17.5% in 8 yrs

Carter 10,488,000 in 4—Reagan 15,935,000 in 8.

Per month Carter averaged far more than Reagan
218,000 to 175,000.
--------------------------------------

Care to compare number of homes built per year. Don’t. Reagan killed S & L’s.
Care to compare GDP growth without massive spending programs.
Care to compare Increase in National Income and GDP to Debt Growth
Care to compare percent increase in Federal Revenues
Care to compare GDP Growth in “Real” dollars per year
Care to compare number killed overseas
Care to compare percent Increase in Defense Spending
Care to compare number of LIES told
Care to compare numbers of departments with SCANDALS
Care to compare numbers of administration members who were investigated, went to prison, convicted or charged.
Care to compare respect by foreign nations
Care to compare number of times president went to church.
Care to compare how historians rank them.
Care to compare as DEREGULATOR? Airlines-Financial Institutions-Transportation
Care to compare with which created FEMA
Care to check who was President when FISA was passed into law?
Care to check who started Centcom—As-RDJTF-Rapid Deployment Task Force-
(Reagan changed name to Centcom) -U.S forces designated for possible employment to Middle East.
Same President who said this—“The oil flow from the Persian Gulf is a vital interest to the United States and this country will employ any means necessary including military force to overcome an attempt by a hostile power to block that flow.”
Imagine the praise had Reagan made that statement.

When Carter left office it took 3.6 years of average income to purchase an average priced new home. After Reagan’s years it took 4.2 Years and now under Bush II 5.4 years.

When Conservatives hit on Carter as a “do nothing” administration they best not check the FACTS.

Inflation was Carter’s big handicap. Remember Oil Prices? Food prices?

Reagan took credit for whipping inflation. Blarney Baloney.
It was Carter’s hire Paul Volcker. Who whipped inflation (at cost of 5 million jobs)
Reagan had inflationary fiscal policies.

Evangelicals want a true, devout, Christian? They better look to a genuine one. Carter.

[SlingBlade]

92. Carter is a great man

His life should be an inspiration for us all

Graet Post jefferson_dem Thank You :bounce: :toast: :yourock:

[dbonds]

93. And right on cue, the msm is talking about should jimmy be saying this,

instead of talking about darth cheney and his crimes. For once I wish they would look at the message and not the messenger.

[bdamomma]

95. Cheney is alot more than a disaster, he has been planning this

takeover for years, he is nothing but a criminal.

[ryanmuegge]

97. Well, at least he doesn't pretend that Bush is the president.

[Buns_of_Fire]

98. In my experience, Jimmy Carter is not prone to hyperbole.

And I'm sure he's aware of the "unwritten law" that says that a former President should never overtly criticize the sitting president (or the sitting DICK, as it were). (God knows, the MSM is bringing up that part of it often enough!)

So, for him to utter his sentiments so (for him) bluntly, I have to assume this is an issue that troubles him greatly. But even at that, he expressed it with considerably more tact than I'm capable of.

Miss Lillian raised her son well. Unlike some other mothers who come immediately to mind.

[wicket]

99. God bless Jimmy Carter

:D

[jeff30997]

100. a "disaster"

I call him a monster!

[Cetacea]

101. Reagan/Carter. Another stolen election.

And they got away with that one too.

History will judge Jimmy Carter favoringly.

[Gravel2008]

102. Hell yeah, Jimmy!

You keep telling it like it is!