Stark Stands Behind GOP Accusations (refuses to apologize)

[sabra]

Source: KCBS

SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) -- Bay Area Representative Pete Stark told KCBS he refuses to apologize to Republicans after accusing them of sending troops to Iraq “to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement” during a debate over a children’s health bill.

...

The scathing comments drew immediate condemnation from Republicans, who demanded he retract it. "Congressman Stark's statement dishonors not only the commander in chief, but the thousands of courageous men and women of America's armed forces who believe in their mission and are putting their lives on the line for our freedom and security,'' said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

When asked if he would take back any of his statements, Stark told KCBS “Absolutely not. I may have dishonored the commander in chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”

He added the real dishonor is that Republicans refuse to expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. “The fact is that I do support the troops in Iraq. They’re there fighting to protect our children here,” said Stark. “I think (Republicans) owe the troops in Iraq an apology for not protecting the children that those troops left behind.”

Read more: http://www.kcbs.com/Stark-Stands-Behind-GOP-Accusations/1107651

[DS1]

1. haha awesome!

Fuck you Bush!

[maddezmom]

2. Good for him

:applause:

[truthisfreedom]

3. Nothing like the stark truth to bring out self-righteous indignation on the part of a bunch of

stuffed shirts.

[halobeam]

4. Would be a great t-shirt: STARK TRUTH

[Just-plain-Kathy]

144. "Stark Truth", I love that!!

STARK TRUTH

:applause:

[Cha]

171. Let's Do It!!

All the people I talked to at work today about Pete Stark were all for what he had to say on the Floor. No one was taking Umbrage..I guess they're a bunch Stark Raving Dems around here.

[rabies1]

175. No kidding - It was almost like I had to be dreaming hearing him say this

Awesome. And I wrote a thank you email to Stark today and a note to Pelosi saying don't back down now.

[Cha]

182. What a Welcome Activist

you are for DU and our Country!

[dickbearton]

155. Stuffed shirts my ass, the GOP is a party of traitors and war criminals.

[xchrom]

5. he is handing back to them what they have been handing out for far too long

with impunity.

time for the republick thugs to eat it.

[coalition_unwilling]

122. AKA Handing them their asses on a platter!!

[Cha]

173. And the only reason they've(repucks)

gotten away with it is because of our world reknown corporatemediawhores.

[BridgeTheGap]

6. He didn't say a word about the troops, did he?

They always get dragged into this by these jerks.
Bush's presence in the WhiteHouse is the REAL dishonor.

[sabra]

8. just the fact they are dying for the GOP's lies and endless war

[BonnieJW]

68. I think there is something

in SCHIP regarding treatment for vets.

[Zenlitened]

7. Ding!

"...I may have dishonored the commander in chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me."

:applause:

[hisownpetard]

115. Are those Stark's words? They're perfect!

[frylock]

9. big ups!

my friend lives in Stark's district. I always tell him how envious I am, considering my represenatation comes in the form of duncan hunter.

[Plucketeer]

40. My Rep

Is the totally forgettable (and equally Bush-entranced) Dishonorable Devin Nunes. An ex-dairyman who'd do more for humanity with his two hands on a cow's teats than he could ever HOPE to do in the halls of Congress! When Bush farts, Nunes sends him a "Thank You" note for Dub having enhanced his respiratory efforts. :woohoo:

[PurpleChez]

105. Gawd...that's the funniest thing I've heard for days!

thank you!

[Cha]

178. Hey, you could get a job

with The Rude Pundit! :) Welcome to DU, Plucketeer! Is that someone who Plucks along and is Plucky?

[madamesilverspurs]

76. Lucky you!

We've got musgrave, which is spelled e-e-e-e-w-w-w-w........

[niyad]

273. and I have lamborn, equally pathetic

[tridim]

10. Shame on the DU'ers who were so sure he'd cave and apologize..

Well maybe shame is too strong a word.. Here, have some crow instead.

I guess my point is that the Dems are fighting the best they can within the confines of a fixed game. Stark is just one of many doing us proud. Keep it up!

[Carolina]

153. If only there were more like Stark!

[Cha]

180. Precisely, because Stark is

Trying Harder!

[DavidDvorkin]

11. "They're there fighting to protect our children here"?

Ouch. That part's unfortunate.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. I disagree...

The GOP has been using the argument for years that the troops are defending us somehow by killing people over there. It's a was a nice turn on their own words.

[frylock]

78. political judo..

he just slammed the goop to the mat with their own BS.

[NI4NI]

12. I think Rep Stark is correct

ChuckleNutz the War Clown does find an warped egotistical sense of amusement in being "a war president".

Show me a U.S. President who has ever chuckled while mentioning the severity of a World War, 1, 11, 111, (or any American military involvement for that matter

Plus, I personally share Rep. Stark's disrespect for * and every chickenhawk like him.

[liberal N proud]

13. Someone with some spine standing up against the tyrants

[Purveyor]

14. Thank you Representative Stark! Don't let these bastards bully you... eom

[Xenotime]

260. He is a great American

[NanceGreggs]

15. Given the circumstances ...

... I believe Rep. Stark has been unforgivably courteous.


Way to go, Pete!!! :applause: :patriot: :applause:

[dickbearton]

160. Exactly, if there was real justice in this country...

Members of the GOP would be hung one by one for treason. Their
complicity with the war criminals Bush and Chaney and their
violation of the constitution in other matters is high treason
punishable by death.

[Cha]

183. REally! Rep Pete Stark is

the epitome of decorum and diplomacy given the lives and limbs lost to make the AWOL Texas National Guardsman.. the "war president".

[acmavm]

16. Good good good. Give him Nancy's job. Now!

[coalition_unwilling]

123. Stark for President 2008! -n/t

[The Count]

17. "Behind GOP accusations?" wTF kind of headline is that? Good they're not biased

or anything....

[radiclib]

157. It's the' New Journalism'

in other words, crappy writing. So Stark SUPPORTS the GOP accusations? :wtf: Not only are they biased, they're fucking illiterate.

[Froward69]

18. Truth mixed with sarcasm is a great thing

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

19. FYI, HIS DISTRICT TENDS TO WORKING CLASS CONSERVATIVE

AND THEY SUPPORT HIM

[zbdent]

20. On the Ed Schultz show, a listener pointed out

that Bush always chuckles and uses that smirk when talking about death ...

[dflprincess]

23. That came up on Stephaine Miller's show as well

Steph and the Mooks thought Stark was over the top, but should NOT apologize. Most the listeners that called in were defending Stark's remarks and several mentioned Bush's behavior regarding Carla Faye Tucker's execution.

[Randypiper]

162. They need to quit being "stick up the butt liberals"

[dickbearton]

164. Stephanie Miller is a Republican apologist...

Some would say a Republican stooge, certainly one of her mooks
is a Republican stooge.

[Patchuli]

206. Oh BS!

But welcome to DU just the same... :hi:

[Dollface]

60. probably uses it when he talks about sex too, like the rest of the repukes.

Maybe he giggles at funerals too.

[hisownpetard]

118. Yeah. He did the little one-eyebrow-both shoulders-raised cheesy-chuckle

when he mentioned World War III. Now, that's something to laugh about, right?!

[goclark]

21. That's what I'm talking about ~ yes,yes, yes!

Finally, someone that dares to speak the truth and will NOT back down.

Now if his other Democratic "leaders" will borrow some of his True Speaking abilities we can get America moving again.

No more of this baby talk... " we don't have the votes, impeachment is not going to be on the table, we need to have dinner with the President and compromise bla bla bla bla bla."

You can't compromise with the DEVIL.

[hisownpetard]

119. Wow, you and I sure think alike. (Here's my post from yesterday:)

WHOA - THAT"S what I'm talkin' about!!!!!!!!!!

The hell with civility.
The hell with protocol.
The hell with bipartisanship.
They've made a mockery of everything we hold dear.

Call them out on their evid deeds - their chicanery, their disrespect, their murderous lies.
Speak to them the way they deserve to be spoken to!!
Tell it like it is, without worrying about whether you're losing votes or alienating anyone.

And say it like you mean it!

[Zandor]

22. Stark cost us the momentum

on this issue.

He should reconsider.

[LeftyMom]

24. yeah, whatever.

:boring:

[Annoyingly Logical]

27. What Momentum

That veto is not going to get overturned.  The Repubs are
nothing if they aren't stubborn and ignorant.  Stark's stance
does something more important than attempting to convince them
to compromise (which they never do).  It shows John Q. Public,
who is against the war, that the Democrats are against it and
see the hypocrisy that he does.   

[Viva_La_Revolution]

45. Welcome to DU!

We could use some more logic around here sometimes. :hi:

[yardwork]

49. Welcome to DU!

Thank you for pointing out that "annoyingly logical" fact!

[Cha]

184. THe Stark Dems are against this war..

Then there's the dinos who love it.

[Righteous9]

31. Please elaborate,

because from my perspective, the people costing us momentum are those that take two steps backwards every time a dem is brave enough to take a step forward and tell it like it is.

Those in our party who would now condemn or refuse to add their own voice as an echo to his, they are the ones who kill our momentum. Quit allowing the people who speak with feeling, real outrage, and founded accusations towards this President to be marginalized and pariahed by our party.

How bout this instead? JOin him until the din is loud enough that the Republicans are on the defensive for once. Join him until the Republicans have to actually prove to us that this war that is blowing our kids heads off, is one of pronciple and not some sick machination for profit.

[Gelliebeans]

52. Great post

Welcome to DU :hi:

Looking forward to more like this one. :)

[Ignis]

74. Welcome to DU!

Great analysis of the real momentum that we need to build.

(But you may be wasting your time asking for anything more than a drive-by response from this particular poster.)

[David Zephyr]

79. Welcome to the DU.

And I agree with you.

[frylock]

80. you're pleading with someone who is perfectly content with the status quo..

welcome to the board, BTW. :hi:

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. Excellent post!

Welcome to DU, Righteous9!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

95. When it comes to be a candy-assed enabler...

you're clearly going down the wrong path.

Keep going! And welcome to DU!

[rateyes]

102. Righteous post, man...righteous....

:headbang: And, welcome to DU. :hi:

[Cha]

185. You're Brilliant! Welcome

to DU! This thread is bringing out a lot of new DUers who sound fed up with the status QUO!

[NewJeffCT]

186. Welcome to DU - wish I could recommend a reply within a thread

if I could, yours would get mine.

[Cha]

188. I'm gonna copy it and send it to

myself in an email so it won't get lost and I won't forget!

[Lerkfish]

256. I'm not surprised it was from someone on my ignore list

so I didn't read what you're responding to.

right now, the ONLY people on my ignore list are Hillary worshippers....so if they attacked stark, that's consistent.

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

33. Congressional Representatives aren't allowed to make rhetorical comments?

It's the fools who dwell on a few aggressive words that bother me. Republicans are acting as if Rep. Stark was actually calling the president a sadist, which is such bull shit.

[Danger Mouse]

43. Nancy Pelosi and the Defeat-o-crats send you their thanks.

[VP505]

55. Bullshit

maybe YOU should re-consider!

[MissDeeds]

63. No way

He cut through the BS and got people's attention by speaking the truth in plain, brutal language, and that's just what is needed. This war is brutal and it's about time people got a heads-up.

This guy is fearless. Good on him!

[Spiffarino]

69. M'kay.

Huh?
:shrug:

[LanternWaste]

84. No. He's providing us with...

No. He's providing us with additional momentum on the issue.

Maybe you should reconsider...

[Name removed]

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[rateyes]

101. Ppphhhhhhhhttttttttt, to that! It's never the wrong time

to speak the unvarnished truth. The momentum is going to come when the jerks who voted against S-CHIP are kicked out of office. This bill gets passed and signed into law in the spring of '09, if not sooner.

[Malikshah]

124. You mean Joementum, right?

:crazy: :crazy:

At least try with these things.

[Name removed]

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[Syntheto]

143. You're not alone, but...

I've already found out that it's a bad position to take here.

You're not going to get any polite discourse, so I hope that you have a thick skin.

"Strategy" is an ugly word here, and people who were led to believe that the moment the Democrats gained control of Congress, that they would immediately initiate a coup d'etat and remove Bush/Cheney from office, send them in chains to The Hague for trial (merely a formality; everyone knows they're guilty) and then taken outside and shot, feel as if maybe the leadership is too meek with the Republicans.

Therefore, they're angry, and they take anything that doesn't fit that worldview very personally, and will respond to you in very personal terms, just like anybody over at the freerepublic site would if, as I did, state that "My Constitution trumps your Bible". That was an experience in eye popping, vein in forehead bulging, frothing at the mouth intolerance. Kind of funny, in a sad sort of way.

It hasn't been as bad here yet, but the post is still young; give it time.

You're not alone in taking off your glasses, pinching the bridge of your nose wincing and thinking: "Jesus H. fucking Christ, don't these people get it? The media will turn this into an attack on the Office of the President of the United States, and Bush will skate, yet again."

Fuck Impeachment! Indict Rumsfeld; get families of soldiers killed in Iraq to press a wrongful death suit against him, like the Goldman family did with O.J. Simpson. Nothing could be more effective right now, nothing.

Calling Bush a sadistic murderer who dances with drunken glee when every time he hears of a soldier getting his head blown off is not what Stark said.

But, the media will portray it that way and by default every progressive voice will be tagged with that brush.

Great.

Anyway, you've got a witness, but get ready to be attacked in a very personal way.

Forewarned is forearmed.

[scarletwoman]

168. Trying to spin that strawman into gold?

Happily, most DUers are smart enough not to fall for the Rumpelstiltskin con.

[Syntheto]

169. that may be so but what about the leadership?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3035495

You tell me what this means, I'm all ears.

If this goes any farther with regards to the leadership's capitulation, then what difference does it make what all the DUers you represent do or say?

The leadership should have immediately shown a united front and stood up behind Stark on this and said, Yeah, what he said, and by the way, it's time to put Impeachment right on the table, stuffing and all; the meat thermometer has popped and it's time to serve the bird.

It's about strategy and outthinking your opponent, not lambasting your side with personal attacks and emotional responses.

[FREEWILL56]

239. Really? You don't say?

Guess what? The republicons not only do the kind of attacks you speak of, but right or wrong and they are wrong, they are of the same mindset of blind loyalty to their king. No amount of strategy was involved with them as it's just pure brazen balls no matter what shit the republicons are into. The strategy of don't act or appear like they do, doesn't work and I'm quite sure I, and everybody else here, would love to know what the hell this great strategy would be that calls for dems to shutup and continue taking it while time ticks away on our rights, security, and the many men and women that are putting their lives and health on the line? Sorry, they have gotten away with this for 7 years now and dems have been cautious and even giving the benefit of the doubt too often. The results so far say there's no time for this great strategy that will never come and it is now a time to start acting. I am not part of the sheeple and I resent these republicons trying to *ssf*ck me while having the blood of many Americans on their hands along with many more civilians that were not the enemies of the American people until now of course, and this is why nobody can now argue that we aren't now fighting al Qaeda in Iraq for they've made so many more enemies with this farce of a war for oil while not pursuing the real culprits of 9-11.
Yes, let's wait and see if they have a big strategy planned that opening our mouths about injustices would thwart.
:wtf: :freak: :dunce:

[Syntheto]

251. Wow, the depth of your emotion and outrage...

Mean absolutely nothing. Go ahead, carry signs, call into some radio program and rant, rave and froth at the mouth about how great our country was until he came, and how great it will be when he goes.

The Republicans have been successful in pushing people into a emotional response that puts all the onus on one person, and letting the herd spit and scream and holler.

Let's make sure that the media gets plenty of coverage, okay? That way, when its on the fucking news, the REST of the country, will say "Damn, those people are nuts!"

If a Democrat gets elected, it's going to be because they were packaged and sold by cold-blooded political strategy, not because some idiot got up on in Congress and went on record and made the assertion that Bush finds it funny when our soldiers get their heads blown off.

Yeah, oooh, I bet that makes your heart beat faster, doesn't it? Somebody called Bush a psychopathic monster, and it's right there in the Congressional Record.

And what made it better was that our leadership all stood up behind him and have demanded that he be Impeached.

I must have missed that, because I can't find it anywhere. Send me the link, would you?

Thank god all the leading Democrats in Congress did back Stark, or it would've just come across nationally as the ravings as a sick old man, and that the Bay Area is populated strictly by nutjobs.

Yeah, send me the link, because I'm having trouble finding it.

[FREEWILL56]

278. You want a link proving that congress called for impeachment

and there is none as you know many have sat on it including many dems. I'll tell you what, I'll eat my words if you can tell me what this strategy in the making for 7 years is that needs us dems to shut the fuck up. It's ok when bush makes himself a total ass time and time again so no dem is allowed to risk saying their feelings on that jackass bush for fear of the media having fun with it? Sure, ok.

[Cha]

189. "Stratergy"...yeah, that's worked so

well over the last 6 years and how many DEAD? But, the bushits love ya.

[Syntheto]

253. They love you more....

Because their strategy is to rile a bunch of people up until they can present them via the media to look like foul-mouthed, irrational angst-ridden nutjobs running completely on emotion; sore losers who can't accept the last two elections.

Looks to me that their strategy works pretty well.

So, spare me the spell check hint, and get with your buds who feel the exact same way you do, okay? That way, you all can tell each other that you're the heart and soul of the Democratic party.

It matters not one fucking bit that some people who have taken exception to my posts, and some of the others who have written have trouble accepting that strategy will win the Presidential election in 2008. Close your ears, close your eyes and go nananannana. That's fine. It doesn't change anything.

You want to excoriate (wow, I didn't even need spell check!) the idiot who's in there now, rather than look down the road, great.

If you want to push your views on me and present it as orthodoxy, nope.

[niyad]

274. I would say welcome to DU--but your purpose appears to be nothing but discord.

[Tumbulu]

275. I agree with niyad wholeheartedly

I am a new poster to DU but a long time reader. Your posts strike me as wrong wing propaganda. The wrong wing is always claiming that liberals are too emotional (if you ever need a headache listen to Dr Laura- she goes on and on about this) Never mind that emotion and instinct are the primary force of humans actions that reason and logic sometimes are able to direct. A noble effort really.

But the wrong wing continually inflame the progressives in the same way bullies do with the same motivation. And instead of putting these monsters in their place the middle of the road once liberal politicians apologize and apologize again.

This can no longer be tolerated and I am so proud of Stark and Kucinich and every other person who stands up to the dragons of our age.

[Cha]

277. Yeah, too bad your

strategy is fucked up.

[Usrename]

226. Why do you think Stark has any kind of control over the media?

Where have you been; what planet did you come from?

The media is going to do their kabuki act without any regard whatsoever to what Stark says or does. At least while he's ranting he gets to pick his own words and his own issue.

"The media will leave the Democrats alone if they would just be quiet and let Bush have his way."

Do you REALLY think that stategery has been working?

[Quantess]

263. "The media will turn this into an attack on the Office of the President of the United States..."

You got that part right.
Anytime the media mentions something about B*sh that the average American dislikes, it is framed as, "Poor widdle Bush. Nobody wikes him."

[LandOLincoln]

146. Horse puckey.

It's about time somebody got down and dirty with these sick, sorry sons of bitches.

Reminds me of the time Wes Clark said he'd "beat the shit" out of anyone who tried to impugn his patriotism the way they'd done with Kerry.

After a day or so of the predictable faux outrage from the usual suspects, Clark's spokesperson came out and pretended to apologize, saying the General had misspoken, what he really meant to say was,

He'd beat the LIVING shit out of 'em.

IIRC, donations to Clark's campaign spiked dramatically.

When will our side learn?

[Carolina]

154. what friggin momentum

if only more Dems spoke up like Stark

Sheesh

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[Cha]

191. Nah, it's a

dino stooge.

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[Crunchy Frog]

181. That's the kind of momentum we can do without.

[Jim Sagle]

210. DLC hogwash!

[Alameda]

213. Go Stark and don't reconsider

I'm so happy, he's my guy in district 13. I'm proud of him. He spoke the truth.

[Quixote1818]

235. Are you from Freerepublic?

:hurts:

[ptolle]

268. oh bs

As in so many things in this situation- football, war- the advantage lay with the repugs who only had to conduct their usual obstructionist campaign. I'd say stark's comments were like a good power running back's slash into the D-line. I'd say back up maybe a step,get your balance and hit them again. I'd certainly not apologize.I'd point out Rush Limpall's stream of consciousness savaging of 12 year old boys and even younger schip beneficiaries( defended as just telling the truth) and ask the repigs why they couldn't gut up and take a little truthful commentary on their dear leader.

[usregimechange]

25. Not from Pete.

[Spiffarino]

71. Dems take heed.

If you want to beat them, play them on their own turf.

Never give up.

Never apologize.

[Bitwit1234]

26. Hot Damn......good for him

[femrap]

28. Good for him! kandr

As a dumbfuck child, W blew up frogs. Now he's grown up to be a true blue sadist.

He does love inflicting pain on people.

IMPEACH NOW!

[Amonester]

116. * so love inflicting pain on people, and especially on children.

And I could prove it by just posting a link to pictures that are too difficult for many to look at.

Thank you, Mr. Stark!

FINALLY!!

[femrap]

265. Love your avatar....

I keep two signs in the trunk of my car (never know when I'll come across a Protest)...one is "War is a Racket" with play money taped to it along with lots of $$$$ signs. The other is "Atone for the Greed."

Did you by chance hear about * asking an Iraq War veteran to lift up his eye patch so he could see the injury? And the LameStreetMedia spun it as if he cared....how sick is that? He just wanted to see the damage he had caused.

[whistle]

29. As Stark should, call out these bastard republicans for their inhuman

...and immoral actions

[Hawaii Hiker]

30. When GW apologizes for the disaster that is the Iraq War, then Pete Stark should aplogize,

otherwise, fuck them...And who gives a shit about dishonoring "THIS" Commander in Chief, he has already dishonored this entire country.....And after what Republicans just did to kids nation-wide, again, FUCK them....Kudos to the Republicans who did try to get the bill over-turned, but it's a shame the others didn't agree....

You have NOTHING to apologize for Mr. Stark!!, & I'm glad he said what he did.

[coalition_unwilling]

125. Thank you for that. GW apologizing isn't enough for me anymore.

I want to see some serious war-crimes tribunal action for Bush and his fascist cohort before I even think of apologizng to any of them for anything whatsoever.

[Cha]

193. Yeah, when bushit "apologizes"

for lying to get us into the WAR ON IRAQ and being directly responsible for the deaths of our Soldiers, he sent there, and an untold number of Iraqis who have perished under his bombs..when bushit apologizes for the maimed and scarred forever, Soldiers, that he tricked into doing his bidding for OIL and The Hegemony of his neocon masters...then Pete Stark could think about it.

[Parche]

32. Go Blow Yourself Boehner

:rofl: :rofl: :hi:

Pete Stark Rocks

[dickbearton]

170. Boehner is a traitor and war criminal like Bush and Chaney.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

34. "I may have dishonored the commander in chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor ...

himself without any help from me.”

BRAVO!

:applause:

[Avalux]

35. Good! Maybe some others will take his cue and start speaking the truth.

He's only echoing what the American people are saying; if we had more of this it would drown out the Republican antipatriotic bullshit.

[Reader Rabbit]

36. He's not giving anybody Hell.

He's just telling the truth, and the Republicans think it's Hell. (a la Harry Truman) :evilgrin:

Anybody got the 800 numbers for Congress? I'm at work and can't dial direct.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

51. this one worked yesterday...

:hi:

1-800-426-8073

Hey, who's watchin the childrens while you play on DU? :P

"Class, please read chapters 10-25 and give me a 5 page report. I'll be over here doing, ummmm... research" :rofl:

[Reader Rabbit]

54. It's parent conferences.

And we're in a lull. We got slammed earlier in the morning, but the later appointments don't appear to be showing. Just another hour, and we're done. Whoo hoo!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

58. sounds like fun!

:P

[sallyseven]

37. Finally Backbone in the House of reps.

He is right and should not apologize for telling the truth. bush is no good and is a lier and cheat.

[Bluestar]

38. OK, Pete Stark, you are my new hero!

Finally a Democrat calls it like it is and REFUSES to apologize! I am so sick and tired of Repukes "reprimanding" us when we speak the truth. It's judgment day, you sick, disgusting Bush-enablers!

[Sequoia]

39. That Stark! He certainly has a way with words!

Keep on truckin' Stark!!

[A wise Man]

41. It's about "GD" time the democrats produce...

...someone with backbone enough to stand up against these rethugs and their hypocrisy. Apologize to them for what?? For telling the truth, are they that affraid of the truth?

[Danger Mouse]

44. damn! way to show some courage!

:woohoo:

[judaspriestess]

46. The TRUTH hurts sometimes

and I prefer honesty whether it be eloquent or brutal. I am so sick and tired of people acting so offended by some comments that are a little 'harsh', like *gasp* they have never heard such language before. I'm sure the pukes talk worse behind closed doors.

He spoke in a hard,realistic manner. Sure its a gruesome image but the image is still there for all to see, its reality!!! And his comments have NOTHING to do with dishonoring the troops.


I applaud him for not backing down, he's got a backbone.

[janetle]

87. He said what 2/3 or 3/4 of us are thinking!

I pretty much yell the same thing at my TV everyday. There is no reason for us to still be in Iraq so it makes you believe that it is because of some sick obsession Bush has with his own grandeur.

In other words, Stark spoke the truth and it was a little too close for comfort for the GOP.

[Cha]

194. Did the dick of death cheney apologize

for telling Senator Pat Leahy to "Go Fuck Yourself" on the Floor of the Senate? NO..he went on fauxnoise and said.."I feel better for having said that".

I'm betting Rep Pete Stark feels even BETTER!

[Turbineguy]

47. Zip!

Nice goin'!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

48. Where's My Pete Stark Avatar?

He's my new hero!

[yardwork]

50. Nothing to apologize for - Pete Stark told the truth.

I'm proud of him. He represents my point of view on this, that is for certain.

[Algorem]

53. was Boehner all drunk and crying again while he babbled his

chickenhawk asskissms again?

[Spinzonner]

56. The so-called commander-in-chief dishonored himself

with his lies and warmongering.

He doesn't need any help from anyone.

[npincus]

57. you go, guy!

[pat_k]

59. If he holds to it, it could be a sign that Pelosi's iron grip is lossening. . .

. . .Who knows? Perhaps others will follow the example and buck her will. (Perhaps even on her "off the table" edict.)

There's no harm in hoping.

[rucognizant]

217. Send Nancy a table.........

Over on HuffingtonPost this morning a commenter said she had sent one already! Why don't we all send in little tables with impeachment on them! Could be quite creative! Her SF addrerss is on the COde Pink website, along with pictures of the encampment there! :rofl: :applause: :woohoo:

[Jackpine Radical]

61. OK, so if Gore really refuses to run,

let's get this guy.


Stark Truth. What a fantastic campaign theme.

[Cha]

195. This guy has the

Right Stuff!

[Jackpine Radical]

209. Yup.

Clearly.

God, what a refreshing change from the milquetoast "leadership."

[Cha]

212. Such a radical change..a lot of us here

are acting like we've reached Nirvana if only for a wee bit. :)

[GreenEnvy]

62. Apologize for what? Not being a submissive citizen?

Damn straight! How long do these idiots intend to play that card?

[rateyes]

106. Welcome to DU....

:hi:

[abq e streeter]

133. Another welcome-- from a relative newcomer myself

nice to see a Democrat blurting out the truth-----finally!

[Jackpine Radical]

214. As long as they can get a knee-jerk reaction from their followers, who

are not capable of more refined intellectual processes than spinal reflexes.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

64. I can't believe a Democrat said that.

What if "telling the truth" catches on? Consider the ramifications. I might start to doubt the things I see on television. Do we really want that?

[Vinca]

65. My only problem with this is that the story is now the comments

by Stark rather than the fact lots and lots of children won't have healthcare. It gave the 'pukes a reason not to talk about the issues . . . again.

[Tsiyu]

232. But the American people are not the repukes

A) You have to stop worrying what the parrots are repeating in their close little cages. If you find that you can't stop worrying about what repukes are saying, turn off your radio and TV and just come to DU or go for a walk or something.


B) The American people get it.

They get it.

There is no way to spin ** anymore. He is spun out.

People like Stark will be re-elected (if Bushco doesn't off them) because the American voter has always liked bravery over any other trait in a candidate. An opinion but I think it's a valid one.

** stole the elections, but he could never have won an election because anyone can see he is a coward.

Stark verbalized what 75% are thinking in their pointy little American heads. That is the bravest, smartest strategy of all.

[JimboDem]

66. Thanks Pete!

Take hede you * enablers and spineless Democratic 'leaders'. This is how it is done.

:dem:

[mvd]

67. He shouldn't apologize

He brings the cold, hard truth home that our troops are getting killed, maimed, and wounded in a war that had little to do with terrorism.

[Felix Mala]

70. It took John Boehner mere minutes to get to a mic and call it a slam against the troops

Another Rebublican chicken hawk trying, but failing, to guess what war is all about.

[FREEWILL56]

240. update to that bush notification as it's now 24%

[lutefisk]

72. He's got my support.

Apologize? Give me a big f'ing break!

Every Democrat should have figured out the indignation ploy a long time ago.

[go west young man]

73. Hell yeah! Who isn't tired of the Repubes using

the troops as a political tool? More Dems need to speak up like this. The irony is that the biggest set of "balls" in the Democratic Party appear to be in San Francisco.:P

[rateyes]

110. Isn't San Francisco Pelosi's district?

[go west young man]

135. He represent's San francisco's East Bay.

It's basically the other side of the bay and includes Oakland as well as surrounding towns.

[Carrieyazel]

75. Good going, Cong. Stark. Would overcautious Hillary ever say this? Of course not.

[David Zephyr]

77. What a man! What resolve! This is how you do it. Slam them back. They are wrong! Not us!

Pete Stark!

[Mad_Dem_X]

81. "he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Plecostomus]

83. Way to go!

I appreciate his bluntness. I'm glad he isn't apologizing. Now if only other Democrats would follow suit.

[grannylib]

85. Good for him; it was damn true and I hope he never backs down. He has

NOTHING to apologize for. NOTHING. He's right; Chimpy the Unelected Imbecile has dishonored himself and our nation and the troops far more than anyone else could possibly HOPE to do.
No wait...scratch that. Chimpy CAN'T dishonor himself: he has never BEEN an honorable person, so it's just not possible. He's inherently dishonorable. Can't go any lower.

Unless you're Cheney the Dick.

[Orsino]

86. What an asshole!

Good on him for speaking truth to power, and not backing down when given every opportunity. I salute him, and would like to bear his children now, please.

So we've finally found one of those Fighting Dems that used to appear in folk tales. Bravo! :toast: :party: :headbang: :headbang: :applause:

[0rganism]

88. Yep, Rep. Stark GETS IT

It's been a while since I offered this one up...

[navarth]

111. OMG that's awesome

as a relative newcomer to DU, I've never seen this award. Wonderful. Well done.

And Congressman Stark deserves it.

[BrklynLib at work]

89. It woud be great to see some more Dems stand up and speak the absolute truth.

The blast of fresh air would be so invigorating.

I may have dishonored the commander in chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”

:rofl:

[sce56]

90. The one that dishonors the troops and their sacrifice is Shrub!

Don't see no wmds there hahahah!

How hard did they complain when Bush joked about not finding WMD's at the Corespondents dinner

[SIMPLYB1980]

91. WELL DONE MR. STARK!

WE NEED MORE STARK TRUTH!

[me b zola]

92. Thank you, Congressman Stark

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[pasto76]

93. It certainly felt like that when I served in Iraq

for the lurking Freepers - I can tell you thats how I felt. Like I was being played and someone had bet my life for me. So maybe not every soldier feels that way, but just as many do. That should make you pause and consider......if you can rip your toes off the party line. I applaud Starks statement.


SGT Pasto
244 Engineer Combat Battalion (Heavy)

[diane in sf]

114. Thank you Sgt Pasto!!!

[Cha]

196. Thank you,

Sir! Pasto!

[NI4NI]

228. Welcome Home, Sarge!

[janx]

257. Your experience is apparently not unique.

I am hearing more and more about this from our brave vets.

:hug:

And...welcome, and welcome HOME! :toast:

[cyr330]

94. A Democrat with a spine!!!

I had just about lost faith in ever seeing a Democrat stand behind his statements without crying & apologizing! Good for him!!!

[Zorra]

97. Bravo. Well done, Rep Stark. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

98. FINALLY!!! A Congresscritter with Cojones! EOM

[RoccoR5955]

99. Even though I don't live in his district...

I wrote him a nice thank you note. We need to encourage EVERY elected official to speak truth to power, and let them know that WE THE PEOPLE have their backs!

[Cha]

197. Yes, we do..I'm gonna

write 'im from New York, too!

[rateyes]

100. Gotta listen to the whole interview....

http://podcast.kcbs.com/kcbs/722447.mp3


The real obscenity, Stark says, is not taking care of poor children's health...not what he said on the house floor. The truth is the truth, and if it hurts, too damned bad.

[gibbyman]

103. Good

Its about F####k time a demo stand up

[PurpleChez]

104. Woo Hoo!

I heard the speech on the NPR this morning and couldn't believe it. Imagine...having the grapes to call Chimpy what he really is: a murderous psychopath.

[Wapsie B]

107. Good! I think he and others need to push and needle repugs to their absolute boiling point.

Let 'em all have a melt down. That goes for politicos and not.

[Barrymores Ghost]

108. My letter to Stark's office:

Dear Congressman Stark,

Realizing that you are taking a lot of fire from Congressional Republicans and the Right Wing fringe for your remarks on the floor of the House yesterday, please allow me to congratulate you for making them.

Thank you, sir, for having the courage to say what I and so many fellow Americans have been feeling in our guts for so long and breathlessly awaiting to hear from just ONE of our elected representatives. Thank you for not backing down. It is a rare trait in Washington and, sadly, far TOO rare among the Democratic ranks.

Now is the time for this country as a whole to recognize the Bush Administration for what it is, and for what the rest of the world knows it to be: a lawless and heartless cabal of liars, ideologues and war profiteers who care more about global dominion and padding their own wallets than caring for our nation and those least able to care for themselves.

Stick to the message, Mr. Stark. You have nothing to apologize for. It is the White House, the Republicans in Congress and their enablers who owe America and America's fighting men and women the apology.

Godspeed.

[Faygo Kid]

150. Well done. Most here agree.

A Dem who doesn't cower and cringe. Imagine.

[Cha]

198. Brilliant! Thank you,

Barrymores Ghost!

[pissnoffrethugs]

109. Finally

I was wondering where the real dems in the house were.

[depakid]

112. Excellent- no sense AT ALL in apologizing for the truth

Sometimes, the truth requires a bit of an edge- and that's precisely what this statement has.

If the shoe were on the other foot- would a Republican apologize and would they be "punished" by the electorate for having made it?

Think about it.

[diane in sf]

113. This is the way Dems should handle these stupid Repug requests to apologize

when the Repugs have been nailed on yet another awful thing they've been caught doing. May Mr. Stark stand as a wonderful example to the rest of the Dems.

[Javaman]

117. Now if only the rest of congress would imitate his spinal actions

maybe some of these repukes would finally end up in prison.

[dicknbush]

120. CALL CONGRESSCRITTER "BONERR" and tell him to STFU

[phone] And tell him you support Stark 110% and then ask him why he hates poor kids who are sick!

[txaslftist]

121. Good! Stick to your guns, boy!

They want an apology? Here's one: "Fuuuuuck You!"

[CoffeeCat]

126. THANK YOU! A Dem who won't apologize! YES!!

I am so sick of Democrats speaking the truth, and then
apologizing when the Republican bullying machines goes
full throttle.

You spoke the truth! You called a spade a spade! Yes, the
REpublicans will complain and pontificate with their mouths
agape. That's what bullies do when the victims finally
begin standing up and not taking it any longer!!!

It's about time that we started speaking the obvious
truth and NOT BACKING DOWN!!

Stark is a hero, and he's brave for refusing to kow tow to
the thug bullies in this administration who puff up their
chests when people DARE to shine the spotlight on their
crimes and perversity!!!

WhoooooooooooooooooooooHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Let's hope this is a TREND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rndmprsn]

127. good for him!

K+R

[backscatter712]

128. Good! Tell them how it is.

The GOP is literally sending out troops out to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement.

Bush is probably giggling at the war the same way he giggled when he stuffed firecrackers up frog's butts.

Why should we apologize or back off? If the GOP wants a war with us, LET'S HAVE A FUCKING WAR!

[MasonJar]

129. What a guy! Can we send him roses?

[valerief]

139. I wish we could send him an army so that he could take back the country. nt

[roxnev]

131. :woohoo:

The Republicans in Congress have lied so much; they it is against the law to tell the truth

[drm604]

132. YES!!!

We have to stop apologizing on demand. Doing that doesn't gain the respect of the voters, it loses it. Say what you mean and then stand by it!

[EndElectoral]

134. Well said Stark! These GD Republicans have gotten away with this BS dishonor crap far too long

[go west young man]

136. The ones who have dishonored the troops are the one's who lied

them into an illegal/immoral war. There is no greater dishonor than lying/killing/stealing for oil!

[Lugnut]

137. Good.

:kick:

[valerief]

138. I finally got around to sending Stark a thank-you for his honest words.

I hope everyone else has or will, too!

[defendandprotect]

140. Sent some e-mail of support for Stark out --- including to Stark + Pelosi . . .

We need MORE of this -- not less -- !!!

[valerief]

142. Sent a thank you to Stark and following to Pelosi

Madame Speaker, PULEEZE support Rep. Stark for his plain and HONEST words about Bush's War. Everything he said about Bush is true and APPARENT TO NEARLY EVERY AMERICAN. Please work to stop this immoral and illegal war and please work EFFECTIVELY to prosecute all the war criminals and coup d'etat criminals. From the vantage point of this American, if you, in your position, are not part of the solution, you are surely part of the problem. Thank you.

[defendandprotect]

176. Nice -- !!!

[chelsea0011]

141. 10,000,000 kids are waiting for an apology....

then 1,000,000 dead men, women, and children want you tried for war crimes.

[scarface2004]

145. mr stark..keep 'dishonoring' the 'commander in chief'!!

he s a fucking asshole..stark should have whipped it out and threatened to piss on the 'commander in chief'!!!!!

[Jolly Sapper]

147. Somebody...

in California, shake that man's hand for me.

[happygoluckytoyou]

148. HOW DO YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NO HONOR

IF THE TRUTH HURTS----- MAYBE THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE WHAT IS TRUE RATHER THAN COMPLAIN THAT IT "HURTS THEIR WITTLE BITTLE FEELINGS"

THOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THE PART ABOUT "FOR THE PRESIDENT'S AMUSEMENT" DOES RAISE A QUESTION---
I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS AMUSED..... I JUST THOUGHT HE DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT

[jeff30997]

159. You're right...

For his amusement he prefers to torture small animals.

[kestrel91316]

179. And execute women (a la Karla Faye Tucker).

[crim son]

149. Awwwww, his comment dishonors the commander in chief?

We need more of that, a helluva lot more. The dipshit needs to be dishonored to the point where he slinks back to Texas with his tail between his legs, never to return. Stark merely states the truth: * finds his job amusing, finds war amusing and doesn't care who dies so that he can look like the big man. Goddamn I hate him.

[TK421]

234. God, you're so passionate when you are angry

it's quite a turn-on....:D

[crim son]

237. And you

crack me up. :hi:

[TK421]

238. Still want that pizza? I can get some lobster to put on top of it!

I can do ANYTHING RIGHT NOW!!!!1111 I'm DRUNK!!!@224445 8

[crim son]

249. Darnit, and I didn't see this until morning!

You still drunk? :P

[kerstin]

151. Republicans evidently think that it's worse to say that heads are being blown off

for the president's amusement, than the actual blowing off of heads for the president's amusement.

Truth is beauty, beauty is truth, even when it concerns ugliness.

[bjobotts]

152. STARK TRUTH--A True president would be trying to keep us from WWIII

Not trying to get us into it.

[socretes73]

156. **WHY** aren't there MORE DEMS like Stark

who are willing to call a qWagmire a qWagmire???

WHY NOT??

[colorado_ufo]

158. Fantastic!

[Greylyn58]

161. Well done Mr. Stark

and I salute you sir for speaking the truth. :patriot:

Never give up! Never surrender!! :applause:

[AX10]

163. Pete Stark should be the Speaker of the House, he would take...

the fight to the GOP's face! Steney Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi..:thumbsdown:

[Cha]

199. Can you imagine if we

had Pete Stark as Speaker Of The House instead of the Terminal Excuses!?

[nealmhughes]

165. Hon. Mr. Stark of California obviously just calls 'em like he sees 'em.

It is time to stop the footsie and the mistaken notion that "playing nice" will encourage the other team to stop grabbing our face masks.

The Loony Left, as Mr. Bayh says, is in contrast to what? The Motionless Middle, perhaps?

I hope that it a censure for speaking one's mind in a debate on the House Floor is not in order . . . where in the world can one speak one's mind, if not there?

[dapper]

167. Bill Press on Tucker...

Bill Press, on Tucker yesterday agreed with Tucker that he went OVERBOARD!?!?!

I was asking myself, Where Did He Go Overboard?!

This morning he read an email and still stated Pete Stark went overboard....

I like Bill Press and I have to say that this is one of the first times I have totally disagreed with him. Pete Stark said what the rest of us are thinking! WAY TO GO PETE!

Dap

[Cha]

200. As Nance said..given the circumstances..

Stark was polite..paraphrasing :)

Bill Press needs to think harder on this..but thanks for your imput, Press.

[kestrel91316]

172. I LOVE this man!!!! When are we gonna wise up and put HIM in the White House??

YAY, Pete, you tell 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. I am in shock. A Democrat with real cojones and a spine to boot, who speaks the honest-to-god TRUTH and WILL NOT BACK DOWN.

Give this man a medal.

[Crunchy Frog]

177. Bravo Stark!

The rest of our party needs to take its cue from this guy. Everytime someone on our side apologizes in rsponse to Repuke pressure, it does incomparable damage to our party.

[lpbk2713]

187. Hear, Hear.!!

K&R

:thumbsup: :patriot: :thumbsup:

[tavalon]

190. Note to Nancy and Harry

This is how it's done. It isn't really all that hard.

[Cha]

201. It is if your

spine has been taken hostage.

[progpen]

192. Stark is a national hero, which in this country means...

they will bring him up on false charges and destroy his career.

[NNadir]

202. For once someone refuses to apologize for telling the truth. That's progress.

[rhett o rick]

203. We need more Democrats like him. nm

[muntrv]

204. Dems, take note!!

[juno jones]

205. Oh Yeah,

Go Stark! That is the wet raspberry to fascism that I associate with America!

[Eagle_Eye]

207. It is good to hold a majority in the House of Representatives

We don't have to be hammered by republican censorship.

Lets all get out and vote Democrat in 2008 and extend our lead.

Think of what we are going to do with the Executive Branch, the House of Representatives and the Senate all under our control.

With the next President having as many as three nominations to the Supreme Court (over eight years), we can bring the highest court in the land back to a liberal stance where it belongs.

Thank you Mr. Stark, we Democrats need more straight talk to get us moving in the correct direction.

[The Wizard]

216. If the Democratic leadership

continues to whimper and cower whenever Republicans throw a temper tantrum, the republicans will take back both houses and the presidency, and the Democrats will have deserved the beating. They have a real chance to grind the heartless bastards into the dirt and yet insist on caving in to fascists. It's time to grab them by the nuts and rotate.
Note to Rahm Emanuel: Get the fuck out of town if you can't stand with the truth. We, the grass roots/netroots have had it with cowards in leadership positions. Any Democrat who doesn't support Congressman Stark on this should be challenged in a primary. Enough is enough.

[Eagle_Eye]

246. You have got that right! The time of going along in order to get along is over

Democrats absolutely need to win, and win big, in the 2008 elections.

We simply cannot afford anymore of the bush administration policies. This illegal war in Iraq is bankrupting us both in monetary capital and human capital.

Bush and his cohorts are sustaining this war for the finical gain of a few at the expense of many. The boys over at Sikorsky are high fiving each other every time a Black Hawk helicopter gets shot down.

The Army is buying 8700 MRAPs (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles to the tune of $5.2 Billion. Three defense contractors, Navistar International, BAE, and Force Protection, are ringing the cash register. Our solders dieing from IEDs brought about the development of the MRAP. In December another contract for $8 Billion will be let out for even more MRAPs. Somebody is taking pleasure from cashing in on a 13 Billion dollar gravy train that started with American Solders dieing.

[katty]

208. Good! NO APOLOGY TO CHICKENHAWK WARMONGERS

[caligirl]

211. Fremont California has a gutsy rep. I'm almost sorry I moved away.

[FreepFryer]

215. IF YOU'VE SUCCEEDED IN PISSING OFF REPUBLICANS, YOU'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE. (n/t)

[Triana]

218. Is there a Congressional Medal of Honor and Bravery?

If so, Pete DESERVES one!

[debunkthelies]

219. Stark Stands Behind GOP Accusations

I applaud Congressman Stark, but then Bush has always reminded me of Caesar, played by Joaquin Phoenix in the movie Gladiator.

[Vogon_Glory]

220. Who Fed This Guy Red Meat?

Who fed this Stark fella red meat? He's not acting like a typical Democrat. He actually got up and said something without any pussyfooting around. That's not how Democrats are supposed to act these days. We're supposed to meekly cringe and apologizing for whatever we supposedly did or said at ninety nine words a minute whenever some Republican or hard-core right-winger looks cross-eyed at us. This Stark fella is NOT acting the way that Democrats are "supposed to.: :sarcasm:

Good! It's about time that Democrats start standing up, pointing fingers, and start shouting with outrage at where that man in the White House, that man's Vice President, and the Republican Party have taken this great country of ours.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :yourock:

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Senator Salazar, please take note! This is how Democrats OUGHT to act. I hope more of you in our all-too-timorous party follow Representative Stark's example.

[Spiffarino]

221. Never apologize to the pricks.

The Repubs don't deserve it. Not after all the shitty things they said about the Clintons during Bill's term in office. If I remember correctly, they called him a low-life, a rapist and a scumbag among other things.

Republicans, you want an apology? Fuck that fuck you.

[eviltwin2525]

222. Nancy, you're fired!

Clean out your desk, Ms. Pelosi. You've disgraced Democrats everywhere and Americans in general by stabbing YOUR OWN GUY in the back for daring to speak truth to power. We've had it with you and Granny Reid and your weak-kneed kow-towing to the Bush crime syndicate. Get out! NOW! Same goes for your ass-kissing buddies Rahm and Steny.
Cindy Sheehan '08.

[Baby Snooks]

223. And Madame Speaker rebuked him...

More appalling than the Republicans expecting an apology was Nancy Pelosi rebuking him. For what? Saying what most people have already said and she herself should have said along time ago?

[agincourt]

224. I still remember when the war started,

It was a ditto-pigboy guffaw festival. There was a carnival atmosphere in the media. It was different than the start of Desert Storm, which was more somber. Ratshit Bush did pump his fist and holler "Feels good". He also joked about missing WMD. He seems plenty amused to me.

[ckimmy57]

225. Thank God

someone has the gonads to speak their mind and stick to it.:applause:

[Historic NY]

227. Well done Congressman don't give them one inch...........

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[olddad56]

229. Rep. Stark will be condemned for his words ..

And Bush will never be held accountable for his actions. We don't call this democracy.

[NoGodsNoMasters]

230. Pete Stark RULES!!!

'Nuff said. ...But, honestly folks, don'tcha wish we had more people with this kind of honesty and integrity in congress?

[guruoo]

231. Idiot. n/t

[Quixote1818]

233. I think Republicans will want to let this pass

They just ran into a buzz saw with the this Stark guy! If they keep attacking him they are going to lose big and they just won't want to risk it. Stark is hitting on too many truths and shining the light on issues the Republicans do not want to be associated with. Stark knows he has the upper hand here and it would be foolish to apologize. He has them by the balls!

I hope the Republicans keep going after Stark because it just shines the light on the fact that they are leaving children behind and are a bunch of heartless ass holes, playing in the sand with this war.

GO STARK! :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[Skip Intro]

236. Glad to be the 100th K&R!

Fuck those pious hyptocitical drama queens.

BACK DOWN NO MORE!

[cartach]

241. Yah,so?

Now what's everybody else going do about it? Nothing as usual. By next week this will be forgotten and there will be a new episode to talk about for a few days. A nation of do-nothing voyeurs observing their soap opera.

[meowomon]

242. MORE! MORE! MORE!

He is only saying publicly what a lot of us are feeling privately. It is apparent by the bemused little smirk on the chimpsters face every time he talks about the war, that he is getting off on the whole power trip. The bastard probably shrinks off to the bathroom with his bottle of Jergens and photos of our dead soldiers. He is clearly insane, in my humble opinion.

[NBachers]

243. Donate- ActBlue

There's a combination Pete Stark / Chris Dodd ActBlue page: http://www.actblue.com/page/rgb

[harpboy_ak]

244. About time someone told the truth

Thank goodness someone's kicking the Leadersheep in the butt.

Stark used to do really sarcastic political satire on KQED back in the 70s. Glad to know he hasn't lost his touch.

[DarkTirade]

245. Good.

No more kowtowing and trying not to offend people. Speak the truth. And don't apologize for it.

We need more honest people in politics.

[donheld]

247. This guy rocks

I beg him NOT to appologize

[Vidar]

248. Too bad we can't put Stark in Pelosi's position. He has courage and

convictions, two qualities she lacks.

[Maribelle]

250. If I hadn't see Bush's amusement while spitting out his WW-III pomp ...

then, I might have thought Stark's statement “to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement” was over the top.


Sadly, however, I think Stark nailed it. One needs to simply review a video of Bush laughing as he spoke about WW-III - - and then shortly after that his infamous shoulder curling to see that Bush was quite amused at perhaps millions getting their heads blown off.

[tom_paine]

252. K & R

[janx]

254. K&R !

[lonestarnot]

255. That's what I'm talk'n bout! Stark knows a serial killer when he sees one!

:toast:

[cascadiance]

258. I heard Stark talking to Ron Owens on KGO yesterday morning

Ron Owens kept trying to get him to acknowledge that Stark went over the top with his comments about how kids are sent over to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement. The way he was talking to other people on his show that day, it sounded like it was "expected" that Stark should have at least acknowledged that he was sorry for something he said that went to far, and then "move on".

I say let him call a spade a spade! We need more of that! At least Bernie Ward last night said the same thing on that station!

[janx]

259. So how did Stark respond?

?

[rockybelt]

261. GOP accusations

Good going Mr. Stark!!!! STARK FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
An overwhelming majority of Americans feel exactly the same and Mr. Stark was privileged to say those words for those of us who feel that we have no voice in America.
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY:banghead:

[bluerum]

262. Rousing round of applause.

[NastyDiaper]

264. Nothing riles repugs like the truth. Especially when delivered hot.

[Froward69]

266. I stand shoulder to shoulder with him

UNYIELDING!

[DFW]

267. Zidzi brought up a great point

It is a matter of protocol that no profanity will be used on the
Senate floor. When Cheney told Leahy to go fuck himself, it brought
not only dishonor on the executive, but was a highly dishonorable
breach of Senate comportment. I notice there have been far fewer
calls (as in none) for Sen. Leahy's removal from office than for
Cheney's.

Now Rep. Stark finally dares to say on the House floor what so many
are thinking, and wanted so desperately to hear from one of our elected
representatives: the stark truth that the Iraq conflict was started for
reasons that are less than honorable, and that giving financial priority
to this conflict over that of the health of the children of our country
is dishonorable. ABOUT FUCKING TIME, wouldn't you say?

It's not as if Rep. Stark has started up some new dangerous tradition,
or broken new ground. He is simply allowing himself the use of tactics
that have been used by representatives of the radical right since the onset
of this administration. If there was silence from the Republicans when Cheney
told Sen. Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate floor, then their screaming
about Rep. Stark's comments now holds about much water as a used sieve.

It may blow over, but maybe we have gotten ourselves, courtesy Rep. Stark, a
useful soundbyte of our own: dishonor. Yes, Bush has brought dishonor on himself.
Starting an armed conflict for purely financial reasons, cloaking it in phony
patriotic terms to sell it to the masses, is NOT an honorable mission. It
dishonors our country as much as it dishonors the one who ordered it--even more
so, as the justification was false and he knew it prior to engagement.

Let that be something that our candidates--any and all of them--feel free to use
during the campaign. They may not be running against Cheneybush, but they WILL
be running against someone who has never spoken out against him. 'Tis enough.
Dishonor. Vote AGAINST it.

[janx]

269. I disagree.

This wasn't profanity; it was Stark's opinion, and he has a right to it. There is NOTHING dishonorable about that.

[DFW]

276. I think you read me wrong.

I was making a contrast, not comparing equals.
I was pointing out the difference between Cheney's
inexcusable comment and Stark's very legitimate
comment, and how the right wing's silence on Cheney
was so hypocritical compared to their explosion
of righteous indignation at Stark's remark.

[bridgit]

270. republicans have condemned themselves, there are not enough tongues...

in the republican group-speaking head to apologize for the many, various & legion ills they have cravenly foisted upon this world,

Let Stark Be Stark!! No Apologies!!

[niyad]

271. bravo for him--telling the truth and not backing down--about damn time

[Myrina]

272. Way to work the cojones, Rep Stark!

:patriot: Wish there were more Dems like you!! :patriot:


:applause: