Pelosi rebukes Representative Stark

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON—House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco has rebuked her fellow Bay Area Democratic Representative Pete Stark for inflammatory comments he made about the war.

Stark accused Republicans Thursday of sending troops to Iraq to, as the congressman put it, "get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Republicans responded with outrage and demanded that Stark apologize—which he didn't.

In a statement late Friday Pelosi said that Stark's comments—made during a debate on children's health care—were, in her words, "inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand."



Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_7227306

[TwilightGardener]

1. That's fine--I'm OK with that, as long as she doesn't demand he apologize

or seek a censure.

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. ..

[Kikosexy2]

44. F#*k Fancy Nancy...

Pete Stark you keep swinging the hammer and while you're at it, tell Fancy Nancy to do her job and put impeachment back on the table..remind her she's to do the will of the people and serve the people..not King George!...

[John Kerry VonErich]

87. Trust me, there will be a censure attempt.

nt

[TwilightGardener]

99. Well, I can only hope not. Why drag this thing out longer, anyway?

[John Kerry VonErich]

114. Hey, you know ye ol' sayin.

Know Thy Enemy

But to answer your question- Because they can.

[Orsino]

127. ...though impeachment, of course, would be a useless distraction.

Got it, Nance.

[rodeodance]

101. I think she had to say something. Not bad at all Nancy.

[TwilightGardener]

102. I agree--if she lets it go at that, then she gave a proper response

to satisfy critics without totally making an example of Stark.

[Le Taz Hot]

118. Well, yes, because its important to maintain

that 11% approval rating. :sarcasm:

[pokercat999]

113. I'm ok with that as long as we recognize that Nancy is

a coward and not a very smart coward. She is simply not very bright.

[Kolesar]

115. Yes, and your post is positively the wellspring of wisdom

:sarcasm:

[pokercat999]

162. Ah, a Nancy enabler and FOB...good job

[gatlingforme]

163. I thought she did the right thing, I am sick of --anybody--

saying dumbass crap like that - which only inflames everybody. What the hell was his point, that Bush is a dick? that's obvious, but let's MOVE ON and discuss some really important issues at hand...

[Ian David]

2. I guess it's not Pelosi's turn to posess the one giant testicle that the Democrats have been sharing

[jgraz]

9. GIANT testicle???

I'm guessing the thing's the size of a pea. That's why they seem to keep losing it.

[DKRC]

32. "Little lady's testi-cle"* which they can't seem to hang onto....

:evilgrin:

*Thanks to way too many hours listening to Stephanie Miller.

[jgraz]

108. Computer says no

;)

[rateyes]

3. To hell with Pelosi,

and her little dog, too! :mad:

[AndyA]

4. F you, Nancy.

I find your inaction to stop the war, rein in an out of control executive, and stop the GOP bullshit in the House to be inappropriate.

The subject at hand is a Congress with an 11% approval rating. Do something about it - and rebuking a fellow Dem isn't the right direction to take.

[tabasco]

47. Well said, AndyA !

I'm sick and tired of politeness when we are fighting a criminal regime.

[AX10]

5. As long as she does not call for any retraction (apology) for...

his statement....but there is a good chance she will do so eventually in 3...2...

[jgraz]

6. OK, who had 3:00 in the "Pelosi craps on her fellow Democrat" pool?

Personally, I thought she'd at least hold out until 3:15.

[rateyes]

10. I didn't think she'd last that long....

I figured she'd wimp out five minutes after he said it. Why was I so glad to see her sworn in as speaker? She's been the biggest disappointment the Democrats have seen in a helluva long time.

[abq e streeter]

36. Damn, I had 3:05

so close...

[monktonman]

7. Wow, what took her so long?

[Zandor]

8. Nancy! Nancy! Nancy! K & R n/t

[rateyes]

14. Sux.Sux.Sux. nt

[City Lights]

15. LOL!

:yourock:

[rateyes]

17. You too.

:yourock:

[Zandor]

16. Not Not Not n/t

[rateyes]

19. She sux gravy.

Spineless coward, she is.

[Megahurtz]

54. Hahahahaha!

:spray:

[City Lights]

12. Bite me, Nancy.

Everything Bushdick has done since being appointed by the Unsupremes has been inappropriate! These pricks need to be kicked in the teeth whenever an opportunity arises. Fuck the let's play nice routine!

[varkam]

13. Distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand?!

No, Mrs. Pelosi - the false anger of the Republicans and now your capitulation distracts from the seriousness of the subject at hand. Mr. Stark summed it up wonderfully by not being afraid to say what needed to be said. It is a pity that the same cannot be said for yourself.

[Zandor]

23. Stark (raving mad) gave her no choice

His comments were a disaster for the party. Nancy is right - he distracted from the topic - and a topic that was good for Democrats.

[varkam]

30. I disagree.

Moreover, Mrs. Pelosi doesn't seem too interested in stopping the war. Perhaps she would rather have a "good topic for Democrats" as opposed to actually doing anything about it.

[Zandor]

49. Both the war and SCHIP are good topics

for Democrats. So why give Republicans fodder and a distraction with crazy comments?

[varkam]

51. Again -

would they rather have good topics as opposed to actually doing anything about them?

[still_one]

70. Please educate me, which part of Pete Starks words were "crazy comments?"

[AlinPA]

74. Which comments were "crazy"? They were sharp and very tough.

[Oak2004]

147. No. Not just because his words were true, but because they were effective

I'm always aghast at how badly Democrats grasp the fundamental principles of effective campaigning.

The Republicans have always understood the need to apply the science of persuasion. And they teach it, starting at a young age. College Republicans aren't just expected to knock on some doors and pass out some flyers during their years in CR -- they're trained in how to run a campaign based on the best available research in marketing and sociology.

One of those principles is to make strong statements and go on the offensive. Voters like strength. They like it so much they put the Republicans in power long enough for everyone to see that the Republican agenda is far less desirable than Republican campaign techniques.

Democrats on the other hand seem to ape bits and pieces of marketing without really getting it -- for example, using focus groups in ways that cause them to drop or soft-pedal their agenda, rather then as a way to understand how to more effectively present their agenda. They miss the critical fact that people don't want leaders who run scared and don't lead.

Stark is doing everything right, not just because he's speaking the truth, but because strong words wins votes.

Strong words and deeds also increase the likelihood of actual bipartisanship in the halls of Congress, What fool would negotiate and compromise with people who will give in if they only wait it out and feign some sort of horror about some distortion of their opponent's position, views, or activities?

Addendum: How do I know what the Republicans do? I'm ex- CR.

[Telly Savalas]

164. Why compound the distraction by surrendering to the GOP's fake outrage?

[KingFlorez]

33. A disaster?

It's not a disaster when someone has the guts to speak up like this.

[girl gone mad]

37. I hate to break it to you, but..

the war s a good topic for Democrats, too.

[Zandor]

46. Yes, but not the way Stark did it n/t

[Divine Discontent]

67. Zandor

I know you have stated you're a moderate before, but I cannot imagine why you're alright with Nancy Pelosi's extreme failure to force the impeachment or war issues with more arm twisting than what she's exhibited in these laughable "well, we tried, we just don't have the votes" maneuvers.

I find his comments the comments of a person fed up with the excuses and tired of reading about one more dead body of a soldier coming back in body bags for their families to pick up. How many years are you thinking are too much before righteous anger boils over and you speak the harshest of truth about the matter?

For millions of us, this invasion was clearly to please Georgie Boy in a farcical attempt to show he was a take no prisoners tough cowboy who was gonna get poppy bush's arch enemy for him so he'd be proud! They knew there were no WMD but we don't even hear about that anymore, we're there to 'stabilize the democracy' -- HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's rich... no, wait, what's rich are the people cleaning up off this unholy invasion.

[still_one]

66. Do you realize how much we are spending a day for an illegal war?

It is minute compared to what the childrens healthcare would cost, AND THAT IS THE POINT

This is why the country is in the state it is in today, because Democrats were only too eager not to speak truth to power

I only hope the people in San Francisco are able to put up a viable candidate against her. It is really time to start cleaning up our party with people who truely represent us

[creeksneakers2]

89. Stark went too far

Bush is a terrible person but I don't believe he is amused by troop deaths. Stark made other Democrats look bad, and should apologize.

[Tanketra]

106. It doesn't matter if troop deaths amuse Bush ...

... because it's bloody obvious that being a "war president" does amuse Bush immensely, and he can't be a war president without his war. Hence, Bush's amusement comes at the cost of American lives.

Stark shouldn't apologize. He can't possibly make the Democrats look any worse than the party's "what a buncha" leadership did by bending over in 2002 to get us into this mess and in 2007 to keep the mess going.

[hatrack]

145. Yeah, that's why Bush perfomed in a video in which he looked for the WMDs in the Oval Office

Good thing he wasn't trying to derive any amusement whatsoever from that little rib-tickler, huh?

Good thing no soldiers had been killed in the quest for the WMDs when we uncovered the secret stockpiles, huh?!?

Pure comedy gold.

[leftchick]

18. fuck you nancy

and the million dollar pony you road in on. :puke:

[progpen]

29. Amen to that.

Our so called Dem leaders are wartime traitors, plain and simple and should be treated as such. My contempt for them actually surpasses that for the Repugs, which is an accomplishment depending upon how you look at it.

[Zodiak]

20. Another day, another capitulation

She needs to be removed and replaced with.....Stark?

[Gregorian]

21. She's got Bush's back. And I just thought of something.

Could this be why we aren't seeing impeachment? How does this sound?


Bush and Cheney approach certain members of Congress with a proposition. If they don't initiate impeachment, and their districts get UNLIMITED money.

What else would keep impeachment off the table?

So this is a look at the side opposite of "maybe they've been threatened". It's the "maybe they've been rewarded" side of it.

[Xenotime]

130. She does have his back. She defended him after Stark spoke.

[Gregorian]

135. Apoligize for THIS-

[NV Whino]

22. Nancy, your spine is so far gone

I'm gonna take up a collection and get you a back brace.

[rateyes]

24. If she apologized for me...

I'd be on the floor telling her off, too. If she's a leader, then Bush is Gandhi.

[msongs]

25. HELPLESS Nancy - "bush won't stop hitting me....,." - wa wa wa nt

[rateyes]

28. "And, it's all my fault....if I don't make waves, maybe he

won't hit me anymore!"

[KingFlorez]

26. I wouldn't call that a rebuke

She just threw something out there so the Republicans can't start piling on her more. She didn't ask that he apologize like the Republicans are demanding, so she hasn't really done anything wrong.

[MisterP]

27. hell, Obey said the "Betray Us" ad was MCCARTHYISM

and the Loyalists started shrieking when some peasant dared ask him why he wasn't pushing against the war, being, y'know, Appropriations Chair and all...

[RufusTFirefly]

31. Enough of this silly death stuff, Congressman Stark. Let's get serious!!

After all, we're talking about insurance here!

I only wish Pelosi had used this opportunity to remind us once again that impeachment is off the table.

[rateyes]

34. That woman has proven herself to be

as useless as a teat on a bull.

[Emillereid]

35. F*ck you Nancy - Stark is the only democrat with the balls to call it like it is!

[Divine Discontent]

69. what he said....

was amazingly harsh and spot on! What a very bold choice of words to wake up the people!


How many years are these political wimps gonna be OK with over there in Iraq!!?? Five more? Ten more? I say enough body bags - bring 'em home now - and alive! My sibling is going over in 4 weeks or so, and I'm NOT at all OK with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JimboDem]

38. Ms. Pelosi

you have become an enabler of this admnistration's policies and now have proven yourself, yet again, to be a totally ineffective leader. I commend those like Representative Stark for their actions and their words. Enough is enough.

Since you are failing in your elected role, please resign. Your impeachment/recall is not off the table.

[FiveGoodMen]

39. Sent Stark a little cash for telling the truth. Shouldn't I be able to TAKE some from Nancy

for trying to bury the truth (and the country)?

[EST]

40. Let me say--first off--

I was absolutely thrilled when Nancy became speaker. The ascension of the "fairer sex" to positions of authority and consequence is an important and historically valuable milestone.
Ms. Pelosi's transformation from a stuttering, painful to listen to, shell-shocked legislator to the smooth operator she is now was beautiful and enormously gratifying.

And now to the "but."
Why in the hell does she always feel that any mollifying she has to do is toward the crooks and gangsters on the nutlery side?

I realize that, as a powerful public figure, she has to be diplomatic and as ingratiating as possible, but why is it that she chooses to take her supporters and the supporters of truth and reality to task? I don't like to label people, especially unnecessarily, but, Damn!

She seems to idolize the vichy collaborators and to try to conform her behavior to their dubious standards. She gives up when there is nothing to gain from the collaboration, and sells out the very people she's supposed to be aligned with.

Her inability to recognize the desperate need for truth and brutal honesty in the face of a crumbling America calls her leadership, incorruptibility and, well, patriotism into question.
I don't like that at all.
Compromise is an important part of managing and legislating, but there are simply some things one cannot and must not compromise on...ever!

[JNelson6563]

41. *sigh*

:eyes:

[MindPilot]

42. Perhaps Ms Pelosi would be so kind as to explain what is more serious than

AN UNNECESSARY FUCKING WAR????!!!

[acmavm]

43. And Grandma Useless speaks again. Of course, it's to criticize someone

that dares to speak the truth. But she just will not stand for anyone picking on her little georgie.

[Fly by night]

45. It's time for the Bay Area to coalesce around a "someone besides Nancy" replacement

And I'm hoping for someone more electable than Cindy Sheehan.

Nancy Pelosi is not the leader we need now. Perhaps she never was.

[...of J.Temperance]

84. Yeah

That's the ticket....urge some oaf to challenge Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco....some oaf who hasn't got any chance of even beating Nancy Pelosi.

:eyes:

Nancy Pelosi is now a neo-Conservative....or is Nancy Pelosi now a DLC hack? Hilarious!

[Fly by night]

91. No. Nancy is an ineffective leader who has been unable to turn a strong '06 mandate ...

... into anything resembling a serious shift in this country's direction.

My guess is that Nancy is not the only non-oaf available in the Bay Area to represent that longstanding bastion of progressive thought. In fact, as a Cal grad myself, I know she isn't.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to wake her up -- I want to replace her. If not with another qualified Democrat in her House seat, then in the next selection of the House Speaker.

She is a huge disappointment to many of us.

[...of J.Temperance]

104. Nancy Pelosi is going to be re-elected by a HUGE margin

When she stands for re-election in San Francisco....so I pity ANYONE who launches a challenge against her ALREADY, because they're going to look pathetic....on a scale of 1-10, they'll look pretty much a straight 10.

So who would you replace Nancy Pelosi as House Speaker with? John Murtha? Yeah, he's great, he's pro-Fundie, anti-abortion....I mention Murtha because, well you KNOW how the Left-Left and Left again Democrats were all rah-rah-rah about Murtha WITHOUT ACTUALLY knowing a THING about John Murtha's voting record.


On Edit: Dammit spelling error

[Fly by night]

121. Well, it's embarrassingly obvious that she has your vote (and very few others) here.

Hope she'll pay you more in the future -- she can afford it.

Her appearences back in her home district are drawing more and larger protests. I think a good opponent might just surprise everyone (especially you) in the next election.

Now get busy. I notice you are the only one repeatedly posting pro-Nancy responses on this thread. Again, tell Nancy that I think you deserve a raise.

As for her replacement, we've never had a Black Speaker, so I would nominate John Conyers for that reason and a host of others. But there are probably four dozen (or more) Congresscritters who would make a better Speaker than Nancy.

[stimbox]

48. Nancy needs her Spineocrat supplement.

http://www.markfiore.com/spineocrat

[Purveyor]

50. IF the democrats retain control of the House come 2009, new leadership MUST be installed.

The current crop are proving themselves to be 'miserable failures'.

It is time to start pondering and working towards a needed change.

[Pab Sungenis]

52. Hey, Nancy?

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[rabies1]

53. Any idiot could tell he was speaking the truth.

She is sometimes the most republican democrat I've ever seen.
It's about time our side vocalizes. We've been taking a lot of abuse from that side of the aisle for years now. If our standing up to them causes some discourse and anger, too bad. We NEED to speak up otherwise they'll just continue to run us over. It's not like they'll suddenly feel bad or sorry and stop. They don't give a rats ass, they wont stop - we HAVE to speak up. It may be the only way to redeem ourselves in the eyes of other countries as well as our own. This says to the world we do NOT agree or go along with all this BS.

[...of J.Temperance]

57. He shouldn't have made that particular comment

About kids getting their heads blown off....Congressman Stark could have made his point without resorting to that kind of tactless comment.

Think of ALL of the people who have children serving in Iraq, and think how they'd feel if they heard a comment from a politician about kids getting their heads blown off.

Nancy Pelosi did the right thing, because Congressman Stark's comments were highly inappropriate.

[nodehopper]

61. but it's THE TRUTH!

ALL the people who have their children serving in Iraq SHOULD feel bad...that the "president" puts their kids at the risk of having their heads blown off, NOT that someone calls it like it is.

[...of J.Temperance]

71. I'm in firm agreement with Nancy Pelosi, and here's why

The debate was regarding children's healthcare....Congressman Stark in the middle of that debate, had this rant that had NOTHING to do with children's healthcare.

His comments, the one's about kids getting their heads blown off, were obviously very bombastic, thus, they've got the attention, thus the attention has been deflected away from the ACTUAL debate, which was about children's healthcare.

So yeah, Nancy Pelosi is correct, not only were Congressman Stark's comments incredibly inappropriate, they also, unfortunately distracted from the debate at hand.

[nodehopper]

159. I still don't see how they were inappropriate.

[pink-o]

165. I believe the actual debate was how come there's money for an illegal war

...and nothing for children's health care? WTF is wrong with the priorities in this country, is basically what Stark was asking. And he's right to ask that question.

A little OT: I was really pissed when my Rep Ms Pelosi said Impeachment is off the table about 3 seconds after the 06 election. But think about it: if she was banging the drum to impeach Bush/Cheney, who would succeed them as Pres?? Hmmmmm....maybe that had something to do with her viewpoint.

[rabies1]

116. Doesn't it surprise you to see anyone side with Nancy on this?

I played the clip again last night, and it felt so good!
Thanks nodehopper

[nodehopper]

158. sadly, it doesn't surprise me. Of course, it disappoints.

[Patchuli]

107. The time for mincing words is past

and Rep. Stark spoke truth to power. Why do some of you persist in thinking that we can diplomatically deal with these evil thugs? There is no time for playing nicey-nice anymore. Pelosi has let down the trust of her party.

[...of J.Temperance]

55. And she should as well

Well done Nancy Pelosi :)

Congressman Stark's comments were inappropriate and incredibly tactless.

[Paladin]

137. Hope You Enjoy The Company You're Keeping

As far as I'm concerned, you and Pelosi are effectively advocating that Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity,and Ann Coulter dictate what Democrats are allowed to say in public. The right-wing attack machine is allowed to issue the ugliest forms of political attacks on a daily basis, but we Democrats are supposed to be polite and keep our voices down.

Yours is the sort of spineless, Democrats-as-punching-bags attitude that a whole lot of us are sick to death of. If Pelosi would devote half the energy she now expends on knee-capping Democrats and retreating from sound policy stances to an aggressive attack on the Bush regime, we'd be a lot better off. She's an utter disaster, and your support of her does you no credit whatsoever.....

[Megahurtz]

56. Well Nancy

maybe if you would stop funding that Fucking Fraudulent War and Get Your Impeachment On
no one would have anything negative to say would they???:think:

[benld74]

58. Well Nancy, if you would have DONE the things you were

acting like you were going to do, then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE you would have said the same thing. Inflamatory? The effin country has been inflamed with this overgrown boil of a leader for the past 6 years. His administration has done to this country what no terrorist could even think of doing. And you're worried about inflammatory remarks. The repubs could care less you stupid beeyotch, and its about time you and Reid get your heads out your asses long enough to see what others have been seeing.

[nodehopper]

59. arf arf what a little lapdog she turned into, and how quick *vomit*

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[...of J.Temperance]

68. WTF?

Where do you get off making a comment like that?

Nancy Pelosi is one of our's, she's on OUR side....maybe you need to reserve your frustration for the Republicans instead?

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[...of J.Temperance]

80. With all due respect

That's a TOTALLY RIDICULOUS set of comments there from you.

Comparing Nancy Pelosi to Marshall Petain, for one thing, it displays a rather bizarre grasp of historical knowledge.

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[liberalmuse]

62. Pelosi and Reid need to go bye-bye.

You don't rebuke members of your own party for telling the truth. I'd like to see Kucinich and Feingold take their places. I've never seen two more ineffective majority leaders in my lifetime.

[bread_and_roses]

63. Hey Nancy, how "inappropriate" is dismembering and incinerating Iraqi children

for power and profit? I don't think Stark's words came anywhere near that obscenity. You're a mother, Nancy, why aren't you and your fellow Democrats marching into the Halls of Power with their photos along with the US citizens who've been killed and maimed? Why are not all of you standing on the steps with those photos and telling this murderous regime that you won't fund their slaughter anymore? Why are you not shoving those photos in the faces of the miserable war-crimes supporters who demand apologies every time someone tells anything approaching the truth?

And for those here who buy into the sorry spectacle of the war-crimes enablers mewling and cowering every time one of the murderous junta thinks that the Orwellian veil they cast over our slaughter gets even the slightest tear, I suggest a little trip around the web to look at the burned and blasted infants and toddlers dead at our hands. Then tell me that the Stark's mild - yes mild, in the context - remarks deserve any sort of censure. They are not even the least of what should be said.

[DinahMoeHum]

64. Piss off, Nancy.

n/t

[still_one]

65. What would it take to get a new majority leader? It should be quite evident where she is coming fro

she has no desire to hold this administration accountable.

What would it take for someone to replace her as majority leader?

[Le Taz Hot]

120. Get rid of the DLC/Blue Dog Democrats

who worked behind the scenes to assure she got the Speakership. REAL Democrats need to run against these DINO's and WIN. People who aren't bought and paid for by the MIC and the insurance companies and the banks and the oil companies. The corporations don't care who is in power, as long as the people they place there can be bought and controlled. And without campaign finance reform, things will continue on in this cozy little way -- benefiting the few at the expense of the many. But, we aren't going to achieve campaign finance reform until we get the DLC Democrats OUT.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

72. HEY NANCY, GO GIVE GEORGE A HUG

YOU USED TO BE MY REP.
I AM NOW IN THE DISTRICT OF A REAL DEMOCRAT.

[cascadiance]

129. Yup, continue to live out "the script"...

[redacted]

73. NANCY PELOSI, PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE

[IndianaGreen]

75. Pelosi sleeps in the same bed as the arms merchants that are profiting from Bush's wars

When it comes to ending the war and defending the Constitution, Pelosi is as AWOL as Bush was from his TANG unit.

When it comes to doing the RW's bidding, Pelosi trips over herself in submission.

[Hardrada]

111. And so does Dianne FIENDstein

[Flagrante]

76. Dear Honorable Representative Pelosi, I am fed up with you...

This is the letter I just sent to Pelosi. I hated doing it but I've just had it up to here with this s*it!
---
Honorable Representative Pelosi,

Your lack of actions of late regarding Iraq funding, domestic spying and many other issues is a total embarrassment. Now you denounce Pete Stark for voicing an opinion shared by me, and apparently also by the majority of your constituents. I am fed up with your refusal to play hard ball with the Republicans. You head the opposition party in the House, start acting like it. If you cannot do so then I ask you to relinquish your position as Speaker and allow someone like Mr. Stark, who apparently has the wherewithal to act appropriately given the situation, to take your place. Please take Nevada's Mr. Reid with you, as he seems to be as ineffective as you are at getting anything substantial said or done. I have always voted for you, Ms. Pelosi, but from now on I will very seriously consider not doing so unless you, at the very least, change your behavior and act as your constituents would have you, or get out of the way and let someone who will into your position. I am disgusted by your lack of forcefulness and your apparent concern for your position over the wishes of your constituents. You are not elected to be our leader, you are elected to be our representative; start representing our wishes or get out of the way.

Regretfully frank,
My Name

[Luminous Animal]

153. Everyone should be writing her letters

Here's mine:

Madame Speaker,

You state in your rebuke to Mr. Stark in response to his passionate remarks re S-CHIP that this comments distracted from the serious subject at hand.

On the contrary, I accuse you of distraction by your weak-kneed and inappropriate public condemnation of fellow Democrats, Stark and Democratic activists, MoveOn and Code Pink. Buying in to the Republican faux outrage of the opinions of Democrats perpetuates the distraction from the issues at hand; thus, your response was politically inept. Democrats deserve better than a Speaker who consistently capitulates to Republican talking points. A better response, a Democrat's response, would have been to point out that is the Republicans who are attempting to raise a smoke-screen to cover their failure to represent America's childrnn and the will of 80% of the American population.

[Luminous Animal]

154. Send her an email. Defend Stark.

Through her website here:

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/contact.html

Or here if you are a constituent:

[e-mail]

Or here if you are not a constituent and wish to comment on her performance as Speaker:

[e-mail]

[defendandprotect]

78. Pete Stark is exactly correct in what he said -- as "inappropriate" as it ma y be for the USHR . .

I'd take that ---

Congratulations Pete Stark -- !!!

[Malikshah]

79. Here's a rebuke for Pelosi.

F**( you, you sanctimonious cow. You cowardly little twit. Your actions are inappropriate and distract from the seriousness of the task of congress.

Shut your pie hole and beg pardon for having the temerity to rebuke a person 100 times more worthy than you at this point.

You do not have the right to walk in his shadow.

Ah. That felt good.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

81. Is this why we see no progress from Nancy?

"Holders of high office typically avoid discussions like that because it makes them look, well, political. But Pelosi did not hesitate to plunge into the political, explaining that 'it was so important for us to bring the president's numbers down two years ago on Social Security' because it discouraged Republican candidates from running for Congress. Pelosi may have realized that her words sounded too calculating, for at one point she begged the reporters' indulgence for her to 'be allowed a partisan moment.' She smiled at her joke, then chuckled."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902006_pf.html

Is this it, right here? Think about it for a second: to keep Bush's numbers low, the situation -- be it Iraq, SChip, FISA, whatever -- must remain the same. There can be no improvement, otherwise Bush and the GOP could get a boost from any Democratic success. Is this why we have all the "Sit down and shut-up" and "keep your powder dry" bullshit we have been seeing from the Dem leadership in Congress?? Is everything about taking the Presidency and Congress in 2008 at any cost, regardless of what type of political manuevering must be done to accomplish it? Even if it means leaving our troops to rot in Iraq, quashing dissent within the party, throwing our liberties "under the bus", or excusing a criminal administration?

:scared:

[creeksneakers2]

94. 2008 is most important

If the GOP wins in 2008 we'll have a new war every year or two until they are out of office. They'll take away our rights and control just about everything.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned can be taken care of once the GOP is gone. For now, admonishing Pete Stark for uttering comments that were way out of line isn't something worth getting worked up over.

[IndianaGreen]

160. No, the Constitution and the freedoms enshrined within it are most important

And Pelosi hasn't done shit to defend the Constitution or the Republic for which it stands.

[TriMetFan]

82. Hey Folks instead of just........

bitching about House Speaker Pelosi, why don't you all e-mail her at:
http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

I did just that. And here is what I wrote.

I think what you Mrs. Pelosi have forgotten, is that you don't only represent the 8th district of California any longer, but the whole United States, as House Speaker. As an American I'm very PROUD of what Representative Pete Stark said! It is about time that people start speaking the truth! Our Nation is falling apart and you are not doing anything about it!

Sincerely From

An Ex-Republican

[Malikshah]

86. Here's Mine. I didn't swear in this one like in another thread.

Dear Ms Pelosi:

The temerity you have shown by rebuking Representative Stark is both demoralizing and disappointing.

You have so removed yourself from the reality that the rest of this country is now living in that you cannot realize that Representative Stark's comments are quite appropriate and long overdue.

Please do not speak of the issues of civility when your lack of leadership, along with others in the Party that so many fought hard to elect, has become an affront to common decency.

What numbers are you looking at that would make you commit such an offensive act as to rebuke an individual who is finally speaking truth to power? Poll numbers? Lobbyist numbers? Certainly not the numbers of uninsured children; dead service men and women; wounded service men and women; or the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

You and your "leaderships" recent actions bring shame upon this country.

When are you going to demand of yourself to do the honorable thing and stand up for humanity.

Life is not a chess game; the world's population is not made up of pawns to move around with the Beltway crowd.

Yes, you may not have the votes, but in the end, history will show that at least someone other than Representative Stark stood up and took notice.

Please, stop dancing to the regime's tunes. We cannot afford to pay their pipers anymore. We have already lost so much.

[TriMetFan]

96. This is exactly what.....

everyone should be doing. Flood her e-mail, every single day. And Thank You for e-mailing her. We need to stand for what is right.

[FreepFryer]

83. If she didn't call for his apology, this is just good politics (annoying, though). (n/t)

[percussivemadness]

85. Pelooseri needs to go!!

[NoodleyAppendage]

88. Pelosi...WIMP! Democratic Leaders are COWARDS. Pete Stark for Speaker of the House!!!

If Pete Stark were Speaker of the House, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. There would finally be a REAL opposition to the Chimpenfurher.

J

[sam sarrha]

90. he is a TRUE HERO.... first to say that the VILLAGE IDIOT psychopath has no clothes

the 'humorous' oval office search for WMD's .. showed how MUCH he thought putting troops in lethal peril was... showed how right on correct stark was

[Cha]

92. I'm not fucking surprised..nancy

..business as usual. I'm just glad I don't have to look at her face on DU right now.

[KamaAina]

93. Nancy's job is to rebuke the repukes

not tell her own colleague off because he told the truth!

P.S. The guy in the next cubicle suggests her "MoveOn name" be "Pe-lousy" :P

[Lydia Leftcoast]

95. What's wrong with her?

A Republican Speaker would have said, "I stand behind the Congressmman's remarks 100%."

[antiimperialist]

97. Nancy can go to hell and take her horrible job approval with her

No wonder the Democrats have such a low approval.

[rooboy]

98. Does anyone here reallly doubt that * gets off on this war shit?

and if you don't, then Pete Stark's comments are right on.

[itsrobert]

100. Nancy, you are an IDIOT!

Get my checkbook. I rather have Crazy Cindy.

[rodeodance]

103. I think those last 4 words by Stark are over the line---and these are the words that caused the

problem-----and gave fodder to the RW.

Nancy's comments are mild.

[percussivemadness]

110. oh come on

How can you say that when that psychopathic fuckwit joked about WMDS when US Troops were dying..

You don`t remember , watch www.wewillnotbesilenced.com (part 1)

Pelooseri should be hammering away at these jokes, Stark was 100% right and its about time more people started calling it as it is, instead on enabling this lunatic another day longer.

Fodder for the Reslugs???How about 4000 US Troops dead for a lie, how about 1.2 million Iraqis dead.

Jesus Fucking Christ what is wrong with people like you?????????????????????????????

Peace

[IndianaGreen]

142. Over 4,000 dead GIs and nearly a million dead Iraqis is what is over the line

Pelosi took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution. She has betrayed that oath, and the Republic, by protecting the tyrant in the White House from being held accountable for his many crimes.

What will Pelosi do next, endorse the pardoning of Bush and Cheney by a Democratic President?

[BenDavid]

109. Well hell! If anyone owes the military an

apology it is george w bush. Remember Bush "Amusing" Himself and the White House Stenography Corps When He Joked About Not Being Able to Find Weapons of Mass Destruction? Pete Stark Did. We Do. Watch This Video. Bush Owes Our Troops an Apology; Pete Stark Supports Our Troops While Bush Mocks Them and Uses Them as Political Pawns. BuzzFlash.....

Truth for all to see.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ
Ben David

[Vidar]

112. Bravo Mr. Stark & to the devil with Pelosi!

[Doctor_J]

117. Nancy needs to be replaced

right now.

[izquierdista]

119. What a sad bunch of sacks

Rush Limbaugh makes a comment about soldiers and all Republicans everywhere join together to explain how it might have sounded harsh, but when you understand the correct way to parse it, he really does support the troops and has from the very beginning. You see, you just didn't hear it correctly in context and Rush is such a fine American that you are really loathsome if you think this opens him up to criticism.

Pete Stark makes a comment in passing about how soldiers are getting blown up for Dumbya's amusement and half the posts on Democratic(?) Underground explain how it was really too harsh, Nancy was right about it detracting from the discussion of children's health insurance. You see, you can't go around saying things that will upset people because then they might think you are criticizing them.

No wonder the Democrats need 67 votes in the Senate to accomplish what the Republicans can with 40.

[panzerfaust]

122. which party?

"Impeachment is not on the table" - likely because it is not important either?

[DuaneBidoux]

123. This shit makes me think Dems CAN'T defend our country. If we roll to such pussies as the Repukes..

What will we do if we really are attacked by a viscious enememy?

Until we start standing up to these piece of shit bully Repukes who aren't even carrying weapons I don't even want to think what we would do to a true enemy who does have weapons.

[aquart]

124. Thank you for your concern.

[Cha]

157. Some Dems sure can defend our Country..

we're not even sure of pelosi's agenda now?

pelosi needs to be replaced as speaker of the HOuse. Get someone who doesn't like to Cower at the drop of a hat.

[Th1onein]

125. Piss on Pelosi!

I'm sick of this woman siding with the Rethugs.

[Orsino]

126. "The subject at hand," apparently...

...is the very serious business of failing to end the war or to impeach its instigators, along with a touch of legalizing everything the President wants to do and caving to his vetoes.

Inappropriate? With this single comment, Stark accomplished about as much as any other Democrat has lately. What matters a "distraction" from nothing? I should think she would welcome that.

[Xenotime]

128. Fuckin pugs can't handle the truth. TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

[quiet.american]

131. Why am I not surprised? What was I thinking, that the Speaker would back one of her own? n/t

[janx]

132. Can somebody help me out here?

Was this an official statement of some kind or was Pelosi prodded by reporters for some kind of reaction?

If the former, why would she feel she had to make a statement at all? Stark has a right to his own opinion, so...?

[tom_paine]

133. What a sad and pathetic state our National Leadership is to behold

Oh Nancy, if only you could have Pete Stark arrested for vagrancy.

[ShortnFiery]

134. kick

:dem:

[bridgit]

136. who does she think she is all of a sudden? Margaret Thatcher?

[tuckessee]

138. I'm disappointed with you, Speaker Pelosi.

But I'm getting used to it by now.

[Arugula Latte]

139. Goddamn that @#$%^ Pelosi.

Fuck. What a disappointment she's turned out to be.

If she'd spend a fraction of her time taking the Republicans to task that she does the few truth-telling Democrats, it would be a much better world.

:grr:

[BornagainDUer]

140. Enough said by this ass-kissing sack of shit for Majority Leader.

What a chickenshit gutless piece of make-up faced phonyness.

FUCK YOU PELOSI!!!

[tbyg52]

141. Huh. Fifteen minutes after I called her office and was told she had "no statement" nt

[Quantess]

143. Pelosi's acting like 3rd grade teacher.

What happened to her? Has she been killed and replaced with a Stepford Wife?

[hatrack]

144. Here's MY rebuke, Nancy - FUCK YOU.

:puke: on you.

[melody]

146. Stark told the truth -- now we rebuke people for telling the truth?

What a breath of fresh air to have an honest person in politics.

[MetaTrope]

148. Nancy Pelosi, self-described Conservative Catholic ... The Theresa LePore of San Francisco?

Leading as a behind...

[classysassy]

149. Speak for yourself

Nancy not America,Stark is right and you are wrong.Why don't you join the rethug party?

[Myrina]

150. She's gotta go, and NOW.

:thumbsdown:

[abelenkpe]

151. Almost right

Rather than the original quote of:

"You don't have money to fund the war or children," Stark accused Republicans. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Perhaps it should of read:

"You don't have money to fund the war or children," Stark accused Republicans. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's corporate sponsors."

[NotGivingUp]

152. nancy, YOU are fucking inappropriate...take a hike. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

155. Send her an email. Defend Stark.

Through her website here:

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/contact.html

Or here if you are a constituent:

[e-mail]

Or here if you are not a constituent and wish to comment on her performance as Speaker:

[e-mail]

[autorank]

156. When Ross Perot's employees were trapped in Iran, he hired a private army to save them

What the Hell is she doing?

What a leader?

Why doesn't she just introduce a censure resolution. That would equal her with the Senate
where Reid did that against the MoveOn.Org ad.

[libnnc]

161. Jesus god almighty, Madame Speaker

THIS was NOT a statement that needed to be "rebuked"...

Christ on a fucking cracker...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: