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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 12:54 PM Original message |
Media Lavishes Attention On Bogus Internet Poll Showing Hillary Losing To Repubs -- And Ignores Repu |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm glad you posted this. That poll smelled to heaven. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's disgusting how easily people are led by supposed polls. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I think it's just as disgusting |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I agree completely. |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. But in the case of the Zogby poll it was supposed DEMOCRATS |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. Maybe some of us Democrats don't want to lose the general election because we picked a loser. (nt) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. why not just pick the best candidate rather than the one who polls best in one poll? |
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FREEWILL56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. On the other hand the same could be said about polls pushing hillary too. |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
97. I think that perspective misses the point of polls. |
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FREEWILL56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
120. Yes, that's the way it should be realizing of course their accuracy ranges. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. People latch onto things that fit their pre-arrived at conclusions |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
79. Good on ya', poo! |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
99. It's disgusting that Hillary has Mark Penn in her cabal |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #99 |
111. You refer to the fake polls in Yugoslavia on behalf of the US government |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Had Venezuela in mind during the coup actually... |
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jjr5 (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
114. I don't know . . . |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Outlier polls get more attention... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. That's a good question. n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
77. Huh? |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. In all fairness, Zogby provides this about the methodology.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
118. Point taken. n/t |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. The only thing about Zogby is they are registered members of a poll |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. What? |
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Virginian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
86. I haven't participated in the recent polls. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
6. Whad ya expect from the IF YA CAN FOOL, YA CAN RULE Crowd?? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Zogby is a progressive democrat. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. So what? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Zogby did not claim his on line poll should be taken |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
83. I am not saying they are bogus either. |
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datavg (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. What Zogby... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. dead on arrival? |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Do you know why people like Obama? |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
117. If Obama says that "he is the only genuine person" in politics, then it must be true. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
88. And the zealots who control Diebold and Sequoia voting machiens are Repugs --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Basically, it also seems quite clear that Bush I's NH win was suspect --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. error/misplaced |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. And a thread about this useless online poll is voted to the front page by out of touch DUers. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Thank you! |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. And put on top of the home page by some anti-Hillary person behind the curtain |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
8. I wouldn't say online polling is a "notoriously unreliable method" |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. a Thread like this won't hit the Greatest Page |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Oh yes it will. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Wow! |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. ... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. thanks |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Or it could have been a blip |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. The response here on DU stunned me in that people could be so stupid. nt |
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russian33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. in general, |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Denial |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. dream on. utterly unlikely. n/t |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Speaking of denial..................... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Gore/Clark '08 |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. It stuns me that as many on DU do support the "alleged front runner" |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. LOL they give her a pass... I guess.. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
105. That's how I feel. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
21. Good post... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. what a pile of crap |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
101. Yes, internet polls are bogus |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. Stephanie Miller and Ed Shultz both- |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yeah, that disappointed me. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. It definitely generates conversation |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Stephanie is for Obama |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
24. Hey, admins, thanks for the front page position for this one. |
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feminazi (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. thanks for posting this |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I believe Huckabee could beat Hillary |
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feminazi (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. I disagree |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. Huckabee's name idenfication is too low among the population right now... |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:52 AM Response to Reply #74 |
95. You make a valid point about this Zogby poll |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Huckabee doesn't have a chance |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
106. I guess you're not aware that reliable polls have shown that |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. Thank god this one finally made the home page |
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Bumblebee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. and this was, of course, the poll many here championed. Zogby |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
34. Hillary will be our next President. All this will be history in a year form now. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. The sad thing is |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. the GOP & MSM are heavily invested in Hillary being nominee because it's win-win for corporations |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
110. yurcorrect, yurbud nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. Deleted message |
saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Because they can't? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. si |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. "You guys suck". Perhaps because of the intelligent discourse, to follow? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. and they have raised the level of discourse? I've posted on a lot of issues |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Mmmmmm....rice cakes. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. fruit of the DLC gods |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. With such an obvious bias, I can't understand why no one |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. "You guys suck." |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
47. They werent' the only ones |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
48. it is all part of the Media dumbing down of americans. |
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erin09 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. FOR ONCE |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Please don't shout....and welcome to DU! |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. See, I posted this was a bogus poll..... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
96. Wow, you had fifty online friends, and NOT all fifty of them were |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. I'll bet he was doing RANDOM sampling, too! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
53. That 'media' includes, alas, DU itself! Thanks for this ! N/T |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. This is just the beginning of a trend from the M$M |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I can't explain it |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. so, who are you blaming? |
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carincross (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
62. Zogby online polling has been reliable |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Zogby has done a good job in the past. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. with phone polls, this is not one of them n/t |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. Kick and recommend... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
108. And Kos has no bias, I suppose? |
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Acadia Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
76. The Media is owned by the corporatist neo-cons and rePIGS |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
80. I didn't buy it either |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. Wonderful Zogby debunking and wonderful press debunking. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
82. This gets my nom - not for Hillary, but rather, for the truth. |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
84. K&R. IMO, Zogby is a great pollster, but the jury is still out on his interactive method. nt |
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Maryland Liberal (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
85. Polls = Money |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
87. Zogby fights back: says Hilary camp requested more Zogby polls than anyone! |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #87 |
112. You ought to post that as a separate thread. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
91. How many watching MSM? Look like a good number are skeptical about poll -- !!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
92. Wait a minute . . . is this a conspiracy theory --- ???? |
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jaybeat (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
94. What about *other* Dems vs. the Repubs? |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
98. Do you mean Media like Fox News? ("Gallup Poll Shows Clinton Leading All GOP Candidates") |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
100. Thank you |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
103. I told you this would happen. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
104. the media would rather talk about anything other than substance -- Tweety superficiality is all |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
109. Well, |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
113. Everyone should read Liberty Belle's post #87, |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Thanks for a sane post with useful info. |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. #87 makes no relevant point, and neither does yours |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #113 |
122. I didn't want to venture into the waters of this particular situation |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
116. Zogby sends me their questionnaires |
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