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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:31 PM
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Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 06:32 PM by RamboLiberal
Source: ABC News

A Missouri mother says she will do "whatever it takes" to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields (pictured).

"I can't imagine anybody wanting somebody like that running the country," Lois Davidson of Adrian, Mo., told the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Wayne Dumond was initially sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old Arkansas high school cheerleader. In 1999, a parole board voted to free Dumond, after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released.

A former parole board member tells ABC News that Huckabee exerted strong pressure on the board to release Dumond.

Watch the full report Wednesday morning on "Good Morning America."

Read more: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/12/mom-carol-sue-w.html





Here comes Huckabee's "Willie Horton" with a Clinton connection.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:33 PM
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1. This is awesome. First Rudy and his tryst fund, Mittens with
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 06:37 PM by wienerdoggie
his illegal lawn-care guys--and now THIS! This lady will help us make one HELL of an oppo ad against the Huckster.

edit to add: This lady's right. Her daughter would be alive if he hadn't pressured the parole board. He wanted to commute the sentence, for God's sake.
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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:13 PM
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7. So
this is all Clinton fault what does this article have to do with her . If it true people should know about it . The women has a right to be angry with this low life .
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:15 PM
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9. No, the Clinton connection is about Bill when he was Gov of AR--see post #8.
But you're right, the woman DOES have a right to be angry with Huckabee.
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benh57 Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:54 PM
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32. not good, IMO
These stories need to come out AFTER they have their nominee, not before.

When they come out pre convention it just helps them to find the cleanest rat.

-Ben
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:59 PM
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2. Details of the case - Huckabee is toast
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 07:00 PM by Tempest
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:04 PM
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4. Oh I see, now that I've read most of the article. It's Clinton's fault!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:23 PM
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10. Isn't a parole board supposed to be relatively independent - sounds as if
Huckabee may have exerted "undue influence" in this case based on his bias for someone who had been convicted under Clintion. On the face of it this seems really sleazy and indefensible.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:28 PM
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12. Huckabee held a closed-door "executive" meeting with members--which
did not include recorded minutes and was against Arkansas law--to do his dirty work in persuading the board to release Dumond.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:08 PM
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17. Yep - it appears that Huckabee wanted to release Dumond but did not want his
finger prints on it to avoid any potential political fall out. You have several board members saying that Huckabee pressured them to release Dumond in a closed door meeting - Huckabee says he didn't. Other information, including the meeting with the victim and her family says that Huckabee was determined to release Dumond and that he did not listen to their pleas and in fact knew little about the case but was relying on the word of political enemies of Bill Clinton that Dumond had been railroaded by Clinton - for which there is no evidence and in fact there is contrary evidence. Most damning perhaps is that Huckabee told the family that there was DNA evidence exonerating Dumond - an outright falsehood and Huckabee could easily have determined that by asking to see the case files which he was entitled to do as governor considering action on commutation or pardon. Man this absolutely reeks of misconduct on Huckabee's part and it is hard to see how he glosses over this one as the campaign heats up. I think it finishes him as a viable candidate.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:38 PM
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22. Religiosity can be a dangerous thing.
Huckabee was influenced by a Baptist minister who was working to get Dumond released. Apparently Dumond must have 'found god' and did a con job on the church.
Huckabee used very poor judgement instead of looking at the facts. Not to be trusted obviously.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:05 PM
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16. Curious on what grounds Huckabee thought the guy was
innocent of rape. Then Huckabee says "Non of us could've predicted what Dumond could've done when he got out". Huckabee is obviously a poor judge of character and reckless to say the least.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 07:48 AM
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39. try turning it around a little and think about this:
I wonder what this guy has on Huckabee to get him to pressure the parole board like that. It certainly is a possiblity.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:40 PM
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44. Dumond had a long, violent criminal record
He even killed a guy.

Huckabee wanted to get back at Clinton and now he has his own "Willie Horton" to deal with.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:03 PM
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3. Rut -ro- the Revenge of Willie Horton...
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:08 PM
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5. Didn't I see CBS do something about this?
Could it be this could be a real story that might sink that sanctimonious twit?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:09 PM
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6. Pardon me for being a little thick, but what's the Clinton connection?
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 07:11 PM by calimary
The State of Arkansas? Help me out here, please.

That said, I am DELIGHTED for ANYTHING dirt-worthy that come out about huckabee. He HAS to be stopped. He's the greatest threat to next November that I can see.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:13 PM
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8. Freepers believed that Dumond was railroaded because of his
victim's distant relation to Clinton. They convinced Huck that Dumond got a raw deal, and he believed them.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:24 PM
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11. Really? Oh FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 07:25 PM by calimary
:banghead:

BTW - thanks for filling me in.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:28 PM
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13. "Huck" is a good word to describe him--let's keep it alive
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:20 PM
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18. The clinton family ties to the victim seem too distant to explain this.
Why would a governor go to such great lengths to free a convicted rapist. Maybe he was being blackmailed. I think if we could find the real reason we could hang
Huckabee.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:49 PM
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29. He was blackmailed, from a certain point of view
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 09:49 PM by Nevernose
No, one guy banging the crazy Clinton from isn't going to do it, but what if that guy has a radio show and thousands of voters and donors lined up on his side? It's really not all that different from extortion.

A radio guy profited in the 90s from a Clinton connection (a very profitable era for that), and to further profit from it, pressured the governor to release a rapist. As long as the guy didn't rape anyone else, it was a win-win situation, right?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:57 PM
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23. The right hates the Clenis so much.....
that they allowed two women to be murdered? Truly disgusting!
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:44 PM
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14. either hiding in closet, or dancing with the skeletons therein
What is with these guys and closets?
:evilgrin:
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:57 PM
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15. I've always leaned heavily towards defendents accused of emotionally charged crimes,
getting all possible "benefit of the doubt". And although I loathed (and feared) Huckabee's theocratic theology, he still came across as a basically "decent guy" to me. But in light of this and other threads on DU, I'm finding god reason to change my mind on both points.

pnorman
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:39 AM
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35. A little more on Huckabee:
Huckabee bristles at creationism query: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071205/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_religion

pnorman
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:21 PM
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19. As a side note for all the judicial theorists here, Dumond was castrated in 1984
and went on to commit two more rapes. So much for the theory that castration prevents sexual violence.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:36 PM
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21. Indeed. Rape is a crime of violence, there is nothing "sexual" except the method of assault.
It is a crime of anger, not lust. MKJ
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:04 PM
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24. Removal of the testes of an adult mammal only removes the sperm capacity from his semen.
The testosterone (residual) make it highly likely that he can achieve an erection and emit semen. The old eunuchs of old were not all castrated when young (Italian boy sopranos for the Pope's listening pleasure) but often allowed to mature with testes, so that they could pleasure the women of the harem with no danger of impregnation. Some cultures did castrate boys for various reasons, and the results of the Chinese court eunuchs are said to have been horrid: fat men who suffered urinary incontinence, continually seeping urine on the floor and their robes. They kept their jewels in a case and when they died were entombed with them! There is a great scene of The Last Emperor where the eunuchs are being expelled and carrying their little cases before them, weeping, knowing not what place in the Republic they would have.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:10 PM
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25. Yep Castration should include the Penis and testes then rape would be improbable
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 09:11 PM by humbled_opinion
Like a Gelding...
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:31 AM
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41. Geldings only have their testicles removed n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:23 PM
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42. you don't even need genitals to rape someone
a prison inmate raped a female corrections officer with her own club. They can use broomsticks and worse. Rape is done for violence and hate, not for sexual pleasure.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:34 PM
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20. The rapist must of found Jesus.....
to be considered worthy of a Repub's consideration for release.
:eyes:

So sad it came back to bite Hucksterbee in the arse......
:sarcasm:

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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:15 PM
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26. I'm no expert on Arkansas politics, but
I have heard from several people that Huckabee does have some significant skeletons in the closet.

Nothing could be as bad as Giuliani, though, so who knows? Giuliani is so blatantly corrupt that it may make anybody else look clean by comparison.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:29 PM
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28. Try this article from Salon on for size. . .
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/index.html?source=rss&aim=/opinion/feature

(snip)
At the American Spectator, once home to the anti-Clinton Arkansas Project, senior editor Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editorial writer, wrote recently, "National media folks like David Brooks , dealing in surface appearances only, rave about what a nice guy Huckabee is, and a moral exemplar to boot. If they only did a little homework, they would discover a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak, and a long history of imbroglios about questionable ethics."
(snip)

Yep, quite a few skeletons in the closet.

:evilfrown:
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:54 PM
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33. Oh, damn. This guy's toast if he gets the nomination.
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:58 PM by ryanmuegge
He can't pull a W., either, and say that he became a "born again" Christian in order to circumvent any accountability for past misdeeds.

Since he's not attacking Huckabee for all of this BLATANT corruption, doesn't this make you wonder what Little Mittens has in his closet?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:08 AM
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40. And here's more skeletons in Hucky's closet!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:25 PM
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27. 'Willie Horton' was what I was thinking as well. Further proof that Suckabee is a scumbag.
It looks ugly enough to sink Huckabee.
Good.
The swine.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:50 PM
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30. And the West Memphis Three are still in prison
Some awaiting death row...

http://www.wm3.org/splash.php
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:33 PM
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31. A true disaster awaits us if this SOB become the President.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:18 PM
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45. Worse than the * / neocon disaster?
That would be something.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:20 PM
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34. Actually, they'll probably talk about Kennedy and that drunk driving thing.
n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:27 PM
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43. Exactly, they'll talk about stuff that has nothing to do with anything
because they're not intelligent enough to have a serious conversation about it and they know they will lose.

Meanwhile, they will also try to equate this with Willie Horton. Except Dukakis was not personally involved at all in that case as it was a standard furlough program. Huck was personally involved and had a private meeting with the parole board after which they changed their votes. I used to think Huck was an OK guy, but this makes me sick.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:00 AM
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36. They're freaking out over at Freek Republic about this:
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:04 AM
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37. Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark...
If this keeps on going, this won't be a race at all. The republicans keep picking themselves off one by one.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:26 AM
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38. Kicking!
:kick:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 01:20 PM
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46. We need to continue to concentrate of the flaws of other candidates
Huckabee is the Phelps of presidential politics.
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