Al Gore lays blame for Bali stalemate on U.S.

[sellitman]

Source: Reuters

SNIP> "I am going to speak an inconvenient truth," Gore told an audience of several hundred, playing on the name of his Oscar-winning documentary.

And in low tones he added: "My own country the United States is principally responsible for obstructing progress in Bali," spurring rapturous applause and cheers.<SNIP

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL1323823

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If he had run for President he could of changed this fact faster. Just saying. - Kevin

[bdamomma]

1. of course Al, the * cabal does not want to comply, they want

those energy companies to continue to spill sh$t into our air. Cheney and * hate them both.

[OKthatsIT]

34. Air? Spraying shit in th Air? Like CHEMTRAILS?

Why doesn't AL GORE go after the real GANGSTERS that OWN OIL? The Euro-Nobility and their Bankers. They are behind ALL of this NEW WORLD ORDER mess...and they also fund AL GORE. Does that make sense? Who stands to profit with a Carbon Credit System??

I sure wish you people would follow the money and stop sucking up the hype. There's LOTS MORE to this picture...but you keep stopping your research once it goes beyond your comfort levels.

[priller]

2. Not the "US" -- it's the Bushies

Not the same thing at all.

[sellitman]

3. Last I checked....

The bushies dictated US. Policy on Global Warming.

What headline did I miss?

[RestoreGore]

7. THE PEOPLE do that, and we do it in our cities and states

It's time to stop using him as the reason for not doing anything because he LOVES thinking he has stalemated this country on it. We don't need HIM to do this and it's time we showed it.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Last time I checked

The Bushies STILL weren't the legitimate government of the US of A.

[harmonicon]

13. They bought those SUVs for all the assholes who drive them?

Yeah, the bushies are partly responsible, but reckless environmental destruction is not theirs alone.

[LiberalLovinLug]

26. Just like its not Canada -- It's the Conservatives

Did you know there was a new poodle in the yard? His name is Harper. He's our own glorious leader, voted in last year not because Canadians loved him, but because the other main party got itself into trouble. Now he is making decisions for all of us even though he is in a minority government. He is riding the coattails of your own emperor. "We're not signing unless the US signs, so there!"

I and millions of Canadians are STEAMED at this. :mad:

There is an online petition for any other Canucks to sign:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/another_canadian_climate_crime/97.php?cl_tf_sign=1

[disndat]

4. I think Gore is

coming to the same conclusion. I hope he can jump into the race in some way.

[AndyTiedye]

5. You Are the Only One Who Can Change That, Al!

The current Democratic candidates would be an improvement over the Republicans,
if they can get elected, but they are the weakest field of candidates in living memory.

We need Al Gore in the White House!

Gore for President!

[Pastiche423]

9. The entire world needs Al Gore in the White House

It's becoming clearer every day.

[RestoreGore]

6. Of course, discussing the problem is not an option here

Just use it to say run Al run when it goes so much deeper than that. Firstly, even if he did run there is no guarantee he would "win"...and even if he did it would still be in a military industrial system still in place which is the MAIN obstacle and as such it would take another two to three years AFTER 2009 to even get it done IF it even got done with the kind of Congress we have that can't even pass anything now with a supposed Democratic "majority", and a population on the whole that thinks they have no responsibility to do anyhting nor the power to do it. As he stated in this article if anyone cares to read it, WE CAN'T WAIT FIVE MORE YEARS. That is why he and Pajendra Pachauri have been urging American cities and states to take up the lead, and I think if more do so we can run around the Federal govt. on this and make great progress in the next year when IT MUST HAPPEN. Not three years from now, but NOW. Of course, that would actually take people pushing their city and state governments to do it as well as doing all they can in their own lives to lighten their footprint... but let's not discuss that here. Let's just take an article that should spark serious debate about OUR PART in this and use it again to point fingers at and guilt Al Gore as if he hasn't been leading on this and whine that if he had run he could do it because he is the ONLY one who can and if it fails it's all his fault... Nice cop out for those who don't want to do anything but sit here all day posting about a message that totally eludes them.

[harmonicon]

15. before we can change even local government actions

the general population must change their attitudes and behaviors regarding their relationship with the environment at large. Granted, government, industry and media propagating lies about the situation doesn't help, but neither does throwing away recyclable materials, buying light bulbs that aren't energy efficient, using plastic bags from the grocery store (that was probably driven to in a gas-guzzler), etc.

[rmgarrette64]

20. Neither does flying 13,000 people to Bali

I know, I know, major conferences must be held in tropical paradises, obviously. And, no doubt, many of the attendees simply must go by Gulfstream jet (I was unable to find the number of private planes flying to Bali for the conference, but did find articles that the airports there were warning they couldn't handle all of them)

He may not by the most popular person here, but I like Glenn Reynolds' (InstaPundit's) quote on this issue - "I'll believe it's a crisis when the people who tell me it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis."

R. Garrett

[RestoreGore]

30. Yes, that's true

The general population must change their attitudes and behaviors and enter a higher consciousness regarding this crisis and their part in the solutions. That is what Mr. Gore has been trying to change, although from the remarks here you would never know it mattered to many.

[Judi Lynn]

8. AP: Gore: US Blocking Climate Talks Progress

Gore: US Blocking Climate Talks Progress

Thursday December 13, 2007 7:16 PM


By CHRIS BRUMMITT

Associated Press Writer

BALI, Indonesia (AP) - Nobel laureate Al Gore said Thursday the United States is ``principally responsible'' for blocking progress at the U.N. climate conference, and European nations threatened to boycott U.S.-led climate talks next month unless Washington compromises on emissions reductions.

The former vice president urged delegates to take urgent action to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, and told them that the next U.S. president will likely be more supportive of international caps on polluting gases.

``My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali,'' said Gore, who flew to Bali from Oslo, Norway, where he received the Nobel Peace Prize for helping alert the world to the danger of climate change.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Thursday Gore was wrong in blaming the United States for holding up progress. ``I think he is incorrect,'' she said.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7150903,00.html

[Uncle Joe]

10. Al Gore calls it, like he sees it.

Thanks for the thread, sellitman

Kicked and recommended.

[aredwhiteinblue]

11. Change of heart?

"We will not submit this (the Kyoto Protocol) for ratification until there`s meaningful participation by key developing nations." Al Gore, 1997

[understandinglife]

12. M Hirsh in Newsweek: "The way to really save the planet is to move into the Oval Office."

My post at current.com:

http://current.com/items/88769831_the_way_to_really_save_the_planet_is_to_move_into_the_oval_office

One paragraph from just posted at the Newsweek web site says it all:

Gore's passion and prescience on global warming are admirable. But let's get real: without a U.S. president who's fully behind an emission-reduction program, it's simply not going to happen. That's the lesson of Bali. America is still the only superpower, and there is no replacement on the horizon. The way to really save the planet is to move into the Oval Office.

In_deed.

[RestoreGore]

29. And what is M.Hirsch doing to lighten his carbon footprint?

same old rhetoric.

[Canuckistanian]

14. Top 'o the International News in Canada

This statement isn't going unnoticed in the world.

[lildreamer316]

16. Sigh. n/t

[DissedByBush]

17. As bad as Bush and his owners are

I have to wonder if Al took his fuel-guzzling private jet to Bali.

[Uncle Joe]

19. Welcome to the D.U. nature preserve, DissedByBush, but I would suggest

for a more enjoyable and enlightening stay, to take your head out of that Oak Tree knot hole, so you can see the entire beautiful forest!:hi:

[DissedByBush]

22. Do I understand correctly?

Because Al is a big important person he can waste all he wants as long as it is in the cause?

One law for our masters, another for us?

I can see Bush blowing fuel as much as he wants because we know he doesn't care about the environment (well, he probably does if it affects a specific ranch in Texas). But Al cares, and conservation should start at home. I know I've spent a lot of money and deprived myself of what I'd like to have in order to cut my energy use.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Here is what you and critics like you should understand.

nothing is more important to the fight against Global Warming Climate Change than the shift in public consciousness to the enormity of this problem, followed by strategic level world wide governmental public policy shifts toward alleviating this looming catastrophe.

No individual stands a chance of making the necessary changes by them selves to halt global warming with out government intervention, having said that, no individual political leader has done more to bring this critical issue to the fore front than Al Gore.

For the record Al Gore's conservation has started at home, he took a large energy inefficient 80 year old home and brought it in to the 21st century.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3101072


"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly. The former vice president has installed solar panels, a rainwater-collection system and geothermal heating. He also replaced all incandescent lights with compact fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs. ''Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher,'' said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.

Gore's improvements cut the home's summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave.

Shinn said Gore's renovations are impressive because his home, which is more than 80 years old, had to meet the same rigorous standards as new construction. ''One of the things that is tremendously powerful about what the Gores have done is demonstrate that you can take a home that was a dog, and absolute energy pig, and do things to correct that that,'' Shinn said. Gore bought the mansion in the Nashville suburb of Belle Meade in 2002 for $2.3 million. It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events....'

<snip>

[DissedByBush]

24. Nice to see

Nice to see he finally did that to his house well after he was criticized for it.

Now he can take his energy conservation on the road and fly relatively efficient airlines like the rest of us instead of putting out more carbon in a day than most people do in a year.

Lead by example.

[Pastiche423]

21. Wonder no more

Al Gore does not own a fuel-guzzling private jet.

[DissedByBush]

27. Few people actually own fuel-guzzling private jets

They usually own them through a business, lease them, charter them or borrow their rich friends' jets.

And Al Gore does use private jets. This is a fact.

[NickB79]

31. He also pays for carbon offsets when he does fly on private jets

Whether carbon offsets are an effective way to combat CO2 emissions, that's a whole other discussion thread.

[DissedByBush]

32. People back in old Europe bought indulgences

from the Church to wash away their sins, too. Doesn't make it right. In fact, it perpetuates the situation of one rule for the rich (who can afford such indulgences), and another for us.

[wisteria]

25. Good for Gore. And, Senator Kerry lead the way earlier this week.

He spoke on the promise for the future when America finally is rid of George Bush.

[Lisa]

28. I'm afraid that Canada (Harper/Baird) takes some of the blame too

As usual, Mr. Gore is too diplomatic. He is a generous-hearted man -- I had the honour of attending one of his talks, a few days before the Nobel announcement.

[kitty1]

33. We Canadians received the esteemed fossil award at the....

bali global summit for having achieved so little towards the climate control fight. Actually we were rewarded with 2 of them.
Who needs a nobel prize when your PM can boast about receiving such an illustrious prize as this.

[Lisa]

35. I hope they hang them around Harper's neck for this session of Parliament

Won't he look just smashing with those awards that he so richly deserves.