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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:13 PM
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DNA shows Colombia boy was rebel hostage
Source: AP

BOGOTA, Colombia - DNA analysis indicates a 3-year-old boy living in a Bogota foster home is the child of a woman held captive by leftist rebels for nearly six years, Colombia's top prosecutor said Friday.

The results suggest President Alvaro Uribe was right — and that the leftist rebels misled Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and the world when they promised to release the boy named Emmanuel along with his mother Clara Rojas and another hostage from their jungle camps.

"The conclusion of the scientific experts is that there's a greater probability the boy belongs to the Rojas family than to any other family," chief federal prosecutor Mario Iguaran announced, citing an "absolute" match between the mitochondria DNA of the child and that of Rojas' mother and brother.

The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, promised two weeks ago to release the boy fathered by a leftist rebel, along with Rojas and former congresswoman Consuelo Gonzalez. Chavez assembled a team of international observers and invited filmmaker Oliver Stone to participate, along with a media horde. He named the mission after the boy — "Operation Emmanuel."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080104/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_child_hostage;_ylt=AjLGUnkFpiLJ30qCVWGDiDm3IxIF
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:50 PM
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1. They're probably all muerte.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:33 PM
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3. well, at least the boy is not
its amazing though those who put their trust in the FARC. Chavez, Oliver Stone, even some of the hostages' families were placing their hopes with the FARC, the people who are holding their family members captive, while blaming the government.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:38 PM
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14. If the european lab confirms the DNA testing...
I wonder what the FARC spin will be.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 PM
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16. well since the tests were done by Colombia I presume they could and probably will just say
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 11:56 PM by Bacchus39
it was rigged from the outset. the samples are simply those provided by the government.

but a new twist seems to impune the FARC even more. just posted a link below quoting the FARC confirming that the boy in Bogota is Emmanuel and claiming Uribe "kidnapped" the boy to sabotage the hostage deal. I guess they didn't see the irony in this statement.
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:02 PM
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2. i hope people get sick of him talking about 9/11
that was a bad day in our nations history but he acts like he
was some heroe or something.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:46 PM
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5. huh?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:46 PM
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4. DNA test finds "strong probability" of child being Emmanuel
According to the preliminary findings of a DNA test on a boy looked after by a Colombian government agency and the family of Clara Rojas, a hostage of the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC), "in all probability," he is Rojas' son Emmanuel, said on Friday Colombian Attorney General Mario Iguarán ...

The Attorney General explained that based on the test results it cannot be said for sure that Juan David is the son of Clara Rojas ...

He added that additional testing would be conducted in Europe ...

http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/01/04/en_chcol_art_dna-test-finds-stro_04A1285163.shtml

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:48 PM
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6. Colombia refuses to allow Venezuelan specialists to test boy
Posted: 2008/01/05
From: Mathaba

CARACAS, Jan. 4 (Xinhua) -- The Colombian government has refused to allow Venezuelan specialists to carry out a DNA test on the boy considered by Colombian officials to be Emmanuel, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro said on Friday.

Maduro stated on local Venezuelan television that his Colombian counterpart Fernando Araujo informed him via phone the refusal to carry out DNA tests on the alleged son of Colombia's Revolutionary Armed Forces' (FARC) hostage Clara Rojas.

Maduro added that Araujo informed him that the refusal would be formally handed over to him in writing.

The Colombian decision is "very serious and sad" and "it makes evident that there is something strange in all that situation," Maduro said ...

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=576832
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:21 PM
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8. nor should they, Ven. is not a neutral observer in this case
not that it is even Venezuela' business.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:35 PM
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9. OAS asks Colombia, Venezuela not to blame each other for failed mission
2008-01-04 09:44:13

BOGOTA, Jan. 3 (Xinhua) -- The Organization of American States (OAS) Thursday urged Colombia and Venezuela to stop blaming each other for the failed mission to free three hostages held by Colombia's rebel Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC).

" ... if Venezuela and Colombia request it, the OAS will mediate in those relations," OAS' secretary general Jose Miguel Insulza told radio network La FM ...

Insulza noted <what> Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called "Emmanuel Operation" was suspended and that it was not a failure ...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/04/content_7362748.htm
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:38 PM
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10. Colombian Government Torpedoed Venezuelan-Mediated Hostage Return, Say Rebels
by Kiraz Janicke
January 2nd 2008
Venezuelanalysis.com

... With the consent of Clara González de Rojas and Iván Rojas, mother and brother of Clara Rojas, who are in Caracas, Chavez authorised a team of Colombian genetic experts to travel to Venezuela to carry out DNA testing to verify the identity of the child.

However, political analysts have questioned the validity of Uribe's hypothesis. Professor Vladimir Acosta described it as a "soap opera" and Colombian journalist Jorge Enrique Botero, who first alerted the world to the existence of Emmanuel, told Venezuelan state TV that Uribe's theory "does not add up to me."

Referring to a number letters by the hostages, to be delivered to President Chavez as "proof of life," seized by Colombian authorities in Bogota on November 30, Botero said, "We should recall the recent testimony of Army officials held by the FARC. They say they have been with the child on many occasions, and that he is like a son to all of them there."

Uribe's hypothesis "appeared at a very strange moment," Botero added. "Speculation at a moment like this, and made in the form that it was done, with the President of the Republic, the Minister of Defense on one side, the Commissioner for Peace behind him...to me it appears as an irresponsible act to give a blow to the process of liberation." ...

http://www.trinicenter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1806
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:48 PM
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11. yeah, your link is from 2 days ago
I recall Uribe was ridiculed when he made the claim a week or so ago. for now the FARC look bad, surprise, and to some extent Chavez who got played either way. if it is a hoax then obviously the Colombian government looks as bad as the FARC.

I saw another article where the OAS offered to do the genetic testing. much better proposal than having Venezuela do it such they have been somewhat embarrassed by this incident thus far.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:27 PM
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12. Yeah, and we have no independent confirmation of the Uribe government's claim. The
primary "witness" has disappeared, allegedly into protective custody -- which should raise some real concern about his long-term health: the Colombia government has been mired in scandals over its close connections to death squads for quite a while now, and extrajudicial execution remains all too common in the country. Although the hostage deal was carefully brokered with international cooperation from diplomats across the continent, Uribe has disrupted the effort more than once. Uribe first claimed, without any apparent evidence, that Chavez had engaged in some unspecified machinations with Colombian military officials, which seems unlikely, given the substantial political differences between the two countries. That move slowed but did not derail the effort: substantial public pressure devolved upon Uribe to allow negotiations to continue. The dutiful client Uribe then flew off to discuss matters with King George and promptly produced this new tale, which effectively disrupted the effort yet again. Uribe needs a conflict with FARC, with no accomodation, because the spectre of the FARC plays well on Capitol Hill when the US armaments lobby asks Congress to raid the treasury and purchase weaponry for Thugs like Uribe.

A proper attitude towards the Colombian regime, and towards the industries here in the United States that profit by arming that regime, is disgust and contempt -- completely independent of one's attitude towards Chavez or towards FARC
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:36 PM
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13. I've read reports in Argentinian media (La nación)
that an independent European laboratory will also do DNA tests to independently confirm Uribe's allegations.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:51 PM
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15. well here is some more news for you
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 11:58 PM by Bacchus39
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080105/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_child_hostage;_ylt=AkvjToPwKIi4QoVVcdsKZ7G3IxIF

In a statement dated Jan. 2 and posted Friday on a pro-rebel Web site, FARC acknowledged that the boy in Bogota is Emmanuel. But the statement charged that Uribe ordered him "kidnapped" to sabotage Chavez's efforts to broker the release.

The FARC said it would follow through on its promise to hand over Emmanuel's mother and former congresswoman Consuelo Gonzalez to Chavez, but did not give details. The authenticity of the statement couldn't be determined but it was posted to a site that frequently carries FARC communiques.

Iguaran said it would take another two weeks for a European laboratory to confirm the preliminary DNA analysis, after which child welfare agents would determine whether the Rojas family should be granted temporary custody. <end>



the "brokered" hostage deal was, at best, a propaganda event and they couldn't even pull that off. I mean, the FARC could just let the hostages go now couldn't they?

I didn't see any denial even from Chavez that he didn't contact the head of Colombia's military.

the conflict with the FARC has gone on well before Uribe. the Democratic president elected this year will develop strong relations with Colombia as well I predict, will the relationships with the antagonists in South America improve?







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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:13 AM
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17. Thanks. That is interesting.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:51 PM
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7. Astonishment in Colombia after Uribe's declarations over Emmanuel whereabouts
Posted: 2008/01/04
From: Mathaba

Caracas, Jan. 3rd. ABN ... Despite the government warned that the version is just a hypothesis, only verifiable through DNA tests, most analysts agreed that it was at least “irresponsible” to release a statement of such magnitude right when there were being efforts to achieve the return of the hostages to their homes.

In declarations to La Jornada, Senator Piedad Cordoba, who performed as mediator for the release, said that “the least the government could have done was to approach discreetly Clara’s relatives and ask them for the DNA test before making public their hypothesis.”

Cordoba agreed with Chávez concerning that the attitude of the Colombian government is just trying to boycott the hostages’ release. “Definitely, the government does not want them to return to their homes,” she affirmed.

Cordoba explained that for Uribe the release and the possible swap of hostages in exchange of rebels imprisoned on jails would mean a setback. “He refuses to achieve an agreement with the guerrilla because he thinks that the single way to end violence is with more war,” underlined the Senator ...

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=576754
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:08 AM
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18. To clear up disinformation which has been spewed at DU, Venezuela did NOT initiate
mediation with the FARC. It has been discussed at length recently here.

Just took a quick look to see if anything pops up, and found the following immediately. Grabbed it to post as an example, will not be inviting any long,drawn out yammer fest as the facts speak for themselves:
Uribe invited Chávez and a leftist Colombian senator, Piedad Córdoba, this year to try to secure a hostage deal, but Colombia ended the mission last month over concerns that the Venezuelan leader had broken protocol and favored the FARC.
(snip)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/19/america/colom.php
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:13 AM
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19. DNA: Orphan Is Colombian Hostage's Son
Source: AP

Results of a DNA test on Friday revealed why leftist rebels failed to deliver this week on their promise to free a 3-year-old boy born in captivity: Little Emmanuel has spent the last two years not in a jungle rebel camp, but in a Bogota foster home.

The story of Emmanuel has transfixed Colombia since a Colombian journalist first reported in a 2006 expose book that he was born to one of the rebels' most prominent hostages, former vice presidential candidate Clara Rojas, as the product of a relationship with one of her captors, reportedly a rank-and-file guerrilla named Rigo.

The story drew in Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has been negotiating with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, to release the child, his mother and another hostage. But what Chavez called "Operation Emmanuel" fell through this week when the rebels said operations by Colombia's U.S.-backed military were preventing them from handing over the hostages.

On Friday, chief federal prosecutor Mario Iguaran said DNA tests performed on Rojas' family members and an orphaned child proved that the boy known as Juan David Gomez is actually Rojas' son.

Read more: http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/world/2008/01/04/Colombia.Child.Hostage/



very interesting article

I'm just curious to know what Chavez knew and when he knew it

I doubt that the was suckered in by the rebels

I'm not saying he knew what was going on but you never know
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:56 AM
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20. I'm not meaning to stick up for Farc
But I trust Columbia's government even less. I hope they can get some independant verification on the hostages that are actually released, so there is no question: sorry but there are a few things I wouldnt' put past Chavez either.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:12 PM
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24. It is a typical rightwing tactic to accuse someone of being a commie-lover, or
coddler of criminals, or a supporter of drug abuse, etc., etc., ad nauseum, for wanting reasonable laws, fair trials, or open political discussion, or for wanting facts and truth, even if facts and truth put the latest despised, scapegoated people in a positive light and put fascist ikons (police, military) in a bad light. You shouldn't apologize in this way ("I'm not meaning to stick up for Farc"). It plays into this rightwing tactic that, if you state facts/truth that favor FARC, you are a FARC-lover (defender of armed leftist fighters). You are defending yourself against a knuckle-dragger argument (i.e., if you are a defense attorney for an accused rapist, that means you approve of rape).

"...but there are a few things I wouldnt' put past Chavez either." What do you mean? What evidence do you have that Chavez is devious? Please cite examples--because I can't think of a single example of Chavez deviousness. He seems totally open, to me. Whether you agree with what he says or not, he is quite candid--sometimes too candid. There are a lot of dirty tricks that have been done against him. I know of none that he is done against others--nor even that his supporters have done. In fact, he just pardoned all of the 2002 coup plotters (except those who committed murders or other serious crimes). How devious is that? He may be too open-handed, too honest, too generous, too little self-protective and self-seeking, to survive. That's my worry about him. Not that he is devious.

But if you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I am a Chavez supporter on the whole--or, I should say, I am a supporter of the Bolivarian revolution, which is led by many people and is a true and peaceful and democratic expression of the majority, and I think that Chavez is a good leader of this movement. But I also believe that all politicians should be closely scrutinized and monitored, always. So many Bush/corporate news accusations against Chavez have been proven false--indeed, all of them have been proven false--that I am leery of statements like yours, negative statements about Chavez that seem to convey some knowledge of Chavez that the rest of us don't have. WHY are there things that you "wouldn't put past Chavez"? Where did you get this idea of him? What is it based on? Is it just an artifact of overexposure to corporate news? Or do you know something that would back it up?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:16 PM
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21. Comunicado (FARC? via ABP)
Enero 4 de 2007

Comunicado

1. Experto en cortinas de humo, el gobierno narco-paramilitar de Uribe Vélez, previa consulta a su amo en Washington, ha resuelto secuestrar en Bogotá al niño Emmanuel con el infeliz propósito de sabotear su entrega, la de su madre Clara Rojas y Consuelo González de Perdomo, al Presidente de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez.

2. Con este nuevo hecho, que se suma a la intensificación de los operativos bélicos en el área, Uribe apunta a desactivar la trascendental gestión humanitaria del Presidente Chávez, sembrando la desconfianza entre los delegados internacionales y atravesando nuevos obstáculos y campañas mediáticas a una decisión unilateral que expresa la voluntad política de las FARC de sacar adelante el canje de prisioneros. Lo reiteramos en esta ocasión: Uribe no está programado por los gringos, ni para el canje humanitario, ni para la paz.

3. La opinión pública nacional e internacional entiende muy bien que Emmanuel no podía estar en medio de las operaciones bélicas del Plan Patriota, de los bombardeos y los combates, la movilidad permanente y las contingencias de la selva. Por eso este niño, de padre guerrillero, había sido ubicado en Bogotá bajo el cuidado de personas honradas mientras se firmaba el acuerdo humanitario. Uribe, que ya secuestró en la capital las pruebas de vida que iban con destino al Presidente Chávez, secuestra ahora a Emmanuel. Así como capturó y encarceló a los correos humanitarios, se apresta ahora a proceder de igual manera con las personas encargadas de atender al niño. Emmanuel iba a ser entregado, junto con su madre, al Presidente Chávez de Venezuela.

4. Con el gobierno de Uribe, que obstinadamente se ha negado a despejar Pradera y Florida para hablar de acuerdo humanitario, no hemos asumido ningún compromiso para que ahora ande propalando que estamos incumpliendo. Por principio, por moral y ética revolucionaria, FARC no utiliza como método la tortura y mucho menos si se trata de niños. Los verdaderos torturadores están en el ejército, las fuerzas policiales, y en los agentes del gobierno narco-paramilitar que se tomó el Palacio de Nariño.

5. El proceso de liberación de Clara Rojas y Consuelo González de Perdomo, seguirá su curso, tal como lo hemos ofrecido al gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela. Esa es la determinación de las FARC. Para ello no le estamos pidiendo al señor Uribe ningún corredor de seguridad; lo que hemos reiterado, y lo ratificamos, es la necesidad del despeje militar de Pradera y Florida para proceder de inmediato a verificar y realizar el primer encuentro para convenir el canje humanitario, que en todo caso debe ser con el acompañamiento de la comunidad internacional.

6. Al Presidente Chávez, por encima de estas vicisitudes, le pedimos mantener viva la esperanza del canje a través de su consecuente compromiso humanitario, el cual consideramos paso necesario hacia la búsqueda de una solución política y diplomática al conflicto social y armado que vive Colombia.

Secretariado del Estado Mayor Central de las FARC
Montañas de Colombia, enero 2 de 2008

http://www.abpnoticias.com/boletin_temporal/contenido/comunicados/258.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:14 PM
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23. I took your material to google Spanish to English translation for a quick superficial translation.
Of course it's only very sketchy, and misses a lot but it's helpful for those of us who can't really read Spanish too well:
January 4, 2007

Communiqué

1. Expert on curtains of smoke, the government narco-paramilitary Uribe Velez, after consultation with his master in Washington, has decided to kidnap the child in Bogota Emmanuel unhappy with the intention of sabotaging his delivery, his mother and Clara Rojas Consuelo Gonzalez de Perdomo, the President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez.

2. With this new development, adding to the escalation of war operations in the area, Uribe aims to defuse the momentous humanitarian management of President Chavez, sowing distrust among international delegates and through media campaigns and new obstacles to a unilateral decision that expresses the political will of the FARC to move ahead on the exchange of prisoners. We reiterate on this occasion: Uribe is not scheduled by the gringos, or for the humanitarian exchange, or for peace.

3. The national and international public opinion understands very well that Emmanuel could not be in the midst of military operations of the Plan Patriot, of the bombing and fighting, mobility permanent and contingencies of the jungle. So this child, parent guerrilla, had been located in Bogota under the care of honest people while signing the humanitarian agreement. Uribe, who already kidnapped in the capital evidence of life that were destined to President Chavez, kidnaps now to Emmanuel. As captured and imprisoned mails humanitarian, is now preparing to do the same with the people in charge of caring for the child. Emmanuel was to be delivered, along with his mother, to President Chavez of Venezuela.

4. With the Uribe government, which stubbornly refused to remove Meadow and Florida to talk about humanitarian agreement, we have not made any commitment to walk propalando now we are failing. As a matter of principle, moral and ethical revolutionary FARC not used as a method of torture and even less in the case of children. The real torturers are in the army, police forces and government agents narco-paramilitary who took the Palacio de Nariño.

5. The process of release of Clara Rojas and Consuelo Gonzalez de Perdomo, will continue, as we have offered the government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. That is the determination of the FARC. To this end we are not asking Mr Uribe no safe corridor, which we have reiterated and reaffirm what is the need for clearing military Meadow and Florida to proceed immediately to check and make the first meeting to agree on the humanitarian exchange, which in any case should be to the accompaniment of the international community.

6. When President Chavez, beyond these vicissitudes, please keep alive the hope of redemption through its consequent humanitarian commitment, which we consider necessary step towards finding a political and diplomatic solution to the social and armed conflict in Colombia.

Secretariat of the Central General Staff of the FARC
Mountains of Colombia, January 2, 2008
Thanks, a lot, struggle4progress.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:36 PM
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22. Beware of DU posters who get easily "played" by the corporate news monopolies, or
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 01:38 PM by Peace Patriot
who "play" the rest of us, using today's headline disinformation sans background, context and understanding.

Consider how nonsensical it is to believe that Hugo Chavez and/or FARC (Colombian leftist guerrillas) would seek worldwide publicity regarding the release of a hostage child whom the FARC did not hold.

It makes no sense at all. So, just on the surface of today's Associated Press headline disinformation, things don't add up. There is something fishy about this story. And if you know even a little bit about how horrible the Uribe government is, and how many billions of our tax dollars have been larded on this murderous government by the Bush Junta, and if, maybe, you caught Donald Rumsfeld's op-ed in the Washington Post on 12/1/07, days before the hostage release that Chavez had negotiated was about to mature (--also a day before the Venezuelan constitutional referendum that the Bush Cartel wanted Chavez to lose)(--Chavez lost the general referendum on the constitutional amendments by a hair--50.7% vs. 49.3%), then you understand how much is at stake for the Bush Junta in killing, embarrassing or discrediting Chavez.

See "The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html


They have been unable to dent Chavez's popularity in Venezuela (70%) and in the region. While they were able to get the referendum turned down by a margin of less than 1%--by the infusion of millions of our tax dollars into rightwing political groups in Venezuela, through USAID/NED and covert budgets--they have been unable to break Chavez's influence in the region on the rightful use of the region's rich natural resources for the people who live there, and in building institutions of regional financial, trade, development, political and military/intelligence cooperation to counter the bullying and thuggism of the Bushites, their big corporate pals and their local rich elites.

This is about OIL, and other rich natural resources (gas, minerals, etc.). That's why Donald Rumsfeld CARES. He and Bush/Cheney are front men for the OIL CORPORATIONS. They have fucked up new access to Middle Eastern oil so badly that they are now planning CORPORATE OIL WAR II: SOUTH AMERICA.

Now do you understand why the Associated Press (which is so bad on So. American topics, that I'm pretty convinced the copy is just plain written by the Bush-purged CIA, and faxed to AP 'journalists' to submit as their own), would publicize this highly questionable and weird story from its highly questionable and horrible Bush buddy Colombian government source?

If not--if you don't understand that AP would lie to you--and has lied to you--and that this is WAR, with the Andes democracies as Oil Target II--then dig deeper. I have dug deep, and that is what I see in this and ALL AP stories and Bush Junta press releases and actions on South America over the last two years. They are engaged in economic and political warfare against the most advanced democracies in South America (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, which also happen to be resource rich, with governments firmly committed to social justice), and will soon take it to "hot" war, as Rumsfeld promises. He wants to sweep away any fusty old "checks and balances" we may still have in our own government (for instance, Congress), so that the U.S. can act "swiftly" in support of "friends and allies" in South America (fascists thugs planning coups). The Bushites have been pouring multi-millions of dollars into weaponry and organization--for destabilization efforts that are already quite visible in Bolivia and Venezuela. Next is what FOLLOWS destabilization: intervention--a puppet government getting set up, with Bush support, then "asking" for U.S. military help. And they need to do this fast, because the sentiment in South America is for throwing the U.S. military out of the region (which Ecuador intends to do this year--non-renewal of U.S. military lease).

You wondered what Donald Rumsfeld would do in his "retirement"? Plan another oil war, that's what.

Now re-read this garbage about the hostage child, and ask yourself: What would Donald Rumsfeld do to deny Hugo Chavez credit for beneficial diplomacy? And what would his tool, Uribe, do, in his toady role? IF Rumsfeld is involved (read his WaPo piece) in this particular bit of bullshit, and if he could not "get" Chavez in other ways, how would he go about setting up a trap for Chavez? (Also, this is likely trap 2, the first being Uribe's initial invitation to Chavez to try to negotiate a hostage release, then pulling the rug out from under him, with a lame excuse, just as Chavez was about to get "proof of life." You can't tell me that that order didn't come from Washington.) Try to think like Donald Rumsfeld, with billions of stolen U.S. taxpayer dollars to work with, and the aim of restoring Exxon-Mobile's control of Venezuelan oil fields.

And also be aware that DU posters who get "played" by AP, or "play" AP games on the rest of us, are helping Donald Rumsfeld fuck over yet more millions of poor people for his super-rich puppetmasters.
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