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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:32 PM
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Lawyers Say McNamee Has Evidence
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 10:00 PM by spooked
Source: New York Times

Lawyers Say McNamee Has Evidence

By DUFF WILSON and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Published: February 7, 2008

Brian McNamee has given federal investigators bloody gauze pads and syringes he said he used to inject Roger Clemens with steroids and human-growth hormone in 2000 and 2001, a lawyer familiar with the matter said Wednesday.

The former personal trainer hopes that DNA and chemical tests on the materials will prove he injected Clemens, as he contends, and thus prove that Clemens lied in a sworn deposition to Congressional investigators on Tuesday, the lawyer said.

If Clemens did not tell the truth in his deposition on Tuesday — and if he repeats his statements at a House Oversight committee hearing set for next Wednesday — the seven-time Cy Young Award winner could face charges of lying to federal officials, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/sports/baseball/07mcnamee.html?hp



Wow!! McNamee, as a former police office, deliberately kept evidence so Clemens could never deny that he was injected with steroids.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:34 PM
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1. Please please PLEASE let Clemens say George W. Bush sold him steroids. n/t
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:36 PM
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2. McNamee will be giving a press conference tomorrow
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clemens7feb07,1,3870097.story?track=crosspromo

Trainer reportedly provides physical evidence against Clemens

Roger Clemens' former trainer has given physical evidence to federal investigators that will confirm the pitcher used performance-enhancing drugs, the trainer's attorneys said today.

The New York Daily News, in a report on its website, said it was told by an anonymous source that the evidence includes vials with traces of steroids and human growth hormone, blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain the seven-time Cy Young Award winner's DNA.

The trainer, Brian McNamee, kept the evidence from the 2000 and 2001 seasons out of fear Clemens would deny use of the drugs if the issue was ever investigated, the Daily News reported.

McNamee attorney Richard Emery told the Los Angeles Times this afternoon that the one-time strength and conditioning coach of the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees preserved the evidence because, as "a former police officer," he knew it was important to do so.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:41 PM
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3. erk.
Why is pro baseball more important than our constitutional rights, or the investigation of wrongdoing by government officials and politicians?

my kid went to high school with Roger Clemens' son, and said that when he turned 16, he got TWO Hummers to drive. One for each foot. Sophomores could not park in the school lots, only juniors and seniors, but his momma gave the high school (public school) several thousand dollars to their PTA, or whatever, thus bribing them so that the son could park in the lots reserved for juniors and seniors.

Thus proving that money overrides rules.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:48 PM
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4. I am not a lawyer or a cop but I would think there would be a "chain of custody"
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 09:50 PM by yellowcanine
problem here. Who is to say he couldn't have manufactured this evidence - given that as trainer he would have had access to blood, etc from Clemens?

I am guessing even a marginally competent lawyer can get this excluded.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:55 PM
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6. Manufacture DNA? Don't think so. n/t
J
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:35 PM
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13. No - he had access to Clemen's blood (DNA) - he could have mixed the blood and the steroids .
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 10:42 PM by yellowcanine
Quit easy to do really. He had plenty of time and motive.

I would bet that this gets excluded if it ever goes to court.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:06 PM
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10. There was no problem with "chain of custody" with Monica's blue dress
which was in a heap in her closet...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:38 PM
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14. Not even remotely the same. Monica did not have access to Clinton's
sperm in the way a trainer would have access to a player's blood.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:50 PM
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15. Mmmmm...she didn't?
Monica reportedly visited the White House more than 3 dozen times...

http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/020398clinton-rdp.html
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:04 PM
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16. Don't be dense. It is not as if there were an innocent reason for her to have his sperm. Duh.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:13 PM
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17. It was a joke...
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:15 PM by spooked
but sadly I've fallen out of love with Bill Clinton as of late...
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inMD Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:01 AM
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23. I'm sure a good lawyer
could come up with a perfectly innocent reason for her to have her sperm on her dress.

Hey, maybe the dress doesn't fit!!!! Have her try it on.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:01 AM
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21. It never got that far. There could have been, however.
It seems unbelievable to me that a person would keep dirty syringes and gauze pads for six years. Who would do that?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:16 PM
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12. I agree... if he had access to Clemens' blood, he could have added the steroids later.
I don't see how this evidence could hold up.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:51 PM
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5. spooked - please change your subject line to match the Headline.
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 09:51 PM by mcscajun
Thank you.

:hi:
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:02 PM
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8. awwwww, do I have to?
ok, ok, I did it...

:P
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Ewellian Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:59 PM
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7. Why would anyone
keep bloody gauze pads for 8 years?
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:03 PM
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9. This is from the LA Times article in post #2
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 10:04 PM by spooked
"The trainer, Brian McNamee, kept the evidence from the 2000 and 2001 seasons out of fear Clemens would deny use of the drugs if the issue was ever investigated, the Daily News reported."
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:07 PM
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11. Same reason the blue dress was preserved.
As a weapon against the powerful.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:36 AM
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18. new orleans isn't fixed, bridges falling down, tax dollars hemorrhaging
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 12:37 AM by xchrom
away in iraq along with the blood of civilians and soldiers, diebold in cahoots with the republick party -- and i care about steroids in athletes?

i would like to know how much these hearing are costing.

and if we are going to obsessed with this -- then they need to go back and make every motherfucker who's won an award wasn't on steroids too -- cause i'm guessing there are plenty of steroid users who have wound up in the hall of fame.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:57 AM
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19. Ah, I've been wondering if Monica Lewinsky had a man in her life.
Or is he Linda Tripp's?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:36 AM
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20. a Blue dress? n/t
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:36 AM
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22. more information this morning...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/sports/baseball/07clemens.html?ref=baseball

Gauze and Syringes Enter Clemens Case

The lawyer who disclosed the existence of the syringes, vials and pads insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case. He said McNamee had injected Clemens at Clemens’s apartment in New York; Clemens was then a Yankee and McNamee was on the team’s staff. McNamee then took the syringes and pads to his home in Queens, where he had a medical waste-disposal box.

But McNamee, a former police officer, decided to save the evidence rather than discard it, the lawyer said. “He was always concerned that if he ever got caught, he would be the most vulnerable and people would throw him under the bus,” the lawyer said...

The lawyer said McNamee kept quiet about the physical evidence out of lingering loyalty to Clemens, the winner of seven Cy Young awards, even though McNamee, by then, had created tremendous problems for Clemens. He had done so by telling federal authorities and Mitchell’s investigators that he repeatedly injected Clemens with steroids and H.G.H. from 1998 to 2001...

McNamee’s sentiments toward Clemens apparently changed after Clemens played a tape of a telephone conversation he had secretly recorded with McNamee on Jan. 4. “It’s war,” one of McNamee’s lawyers said after the tape was played at a news conference held by Clemens on Jan. 7.
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