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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:38 AM
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Saudi Cops Grab U.S. Woman In Starbucks (For Sitting With Man In Coffee Shop)
Source: CBS News

Kingdom's Religious Police Take Her To Jail For Sitting With Man In Coffee Shop


(CBS) An American businesswoman was carted off to jail by religious police in Saudi Arabia for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks in Riyadh, the Times of London reported.

The woman, who spent a day behind bars, was strip-searched and forced to sign a false confession before being released, the newspaper said. The Times declined to publish her name at her request.

The 37-year-old businesswoman works for a finance company in Riyadh. Her problem began when her office lost electricity. She and her male colleagues then went to a nearby Starbucks to use the coffee shop's Internet connection.

She sat with a male colleague in the Starbucks' family area, the only place women are allowed to sit with men.

“Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked 'Why are you here together?' I explained about the power being out in our office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,” she told the Times.


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/world/main3800725.shtml
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:42 AM
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1. it just burns me up that these are the kind of 'friends' that our government prefers.
hateful evil bastards. saudi govt and our govt.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:46 AM
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2. And yet we took out the least religiously-controlled country in the area, Iraq.
Go figure.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:13 PM
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28. because.
that's why.

Can't have anyone stand up to us.

Look at what we are doing to Venezuela. It was just called far more democratic than our govt proclaims, and yet we continue to attack it in many ways.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:49 AM
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3. Those are George's friends, but why not, don't we usually make friends
with dictators and rogue nations. Sickening
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:57 AM
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4. "... long beards and white dresses." I guess it's OK for Saudis to cross dress. Arrest yourselves.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 11:58 AM by shain from kane
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ReformedChris Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:58 AM
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5. This is getting ridiculous, when you open your "Kingdom" up to world commerce..
You have to expect business brings in diverse cultures. Many cultures outside of that culturally backwards sandbox actually got OUT of the stone age and allow women a free hand in life to seek out their personal/professional dreams. I will always say the way reform will come in the Middle East is with the liberation of woman and the establishment of feminine individuality. It will take a Herculean effort for that to happen, but there has to be a Susan B. Anthony, Rosa Parks, or Martin Luther King out there in the desert to turn that world around for the better.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:03 PM
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6. How many religious police does SA employ?
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 12:03 PM by wuushew
In order to effectively patrol the streets and most businesses the number would have to be in the tens of thousands.


Are these jobs highly sought after or are they simply taken owing to the lack of other job opportunities in the non-diversified economy of Saudi Arabia?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:07 PM
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7. time for the U.S. government to stand up and defend a U.S. citizen against a violation of her rights
What they did to this woman is an outrage.

They can keep their dirty hands of our citizens!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:18 PM
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10. UM you don't get special treatment when you are IN ANOTHER COUNTRY
you go knowing the rules and break them at your own risk.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:23 PM
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11. Human rights are NOT a special treatment
So you can't sit with men, fine. But the strip searching and jail time? There's no need for that.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:29 PM
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12. Yes, and that's one reason why I'll never go to Saudi Arabia.
However, I wonder if these enforcers went to Starbucks hunting for bear because it's a symbol of negative Western influence on the kingdom and this woman was chosen specifically because she was a foreigner.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:44 PM
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21. Many years ago
I was traveling to Bahrain to see family for Christmas. I had brought along a bottle of liquor for my dad. (Legal in Bahrain, not in SA, of course). Our plane was supposed to stop in Riyadh and then go on to Bahrain. Instead we were all de-planed, and they proceded to check bags. Thank goodness they thoroughly searched my sister's bag (digging through underwear), and then decided to pass on mine. I should also say that at this point, they had taken everyone's passports. I would have been up that proverbial creek, I think. Fortunately, a very nice Korean businessman took us under his wing and explained that it would all be ok.

Still scary to think about, all these years later.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:10 PM
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23. Bingo! You hit the nail on the head there.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:26 PM
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14. What are western people supposed to do to conduct business
the lady wasn't having an affair. She was communicating with another male about business.

You're apologizing for Saudi Arabian idiocies turned laws is disturbing.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:46 PM
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22. They shouldn't, IMO
We shouldn't be involved with this regime at all. Do business in Bahrain - at least in the past, they were far more accomodating to western sensibilities. But we simply shouldn't offer them our business, our expertise, our acting as if they're a perfectly acceptable member of world society. I'd prefer we keep our dealings to diplomacy and warn others of the treatment they ought to expect when traveling there.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:07 AM
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25. good point. I agree
let those backward savages run their own economy into the ground.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:06 PM
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26. I'm not apologizing for anything.
I take offense at comments like the US government needs to protect the "rights" of US citizens in other countries. You don't have the same rights, period. If you can't follow the rules of the country you are visiting then don't go.
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eib1 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:37 PM
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16. An affluent society,
not a modern one.
Who's confounding privileges with rights this time?
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:10 PM
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27. ?
was that to me? not sure I get what you are saying?
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:01 PM
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20. She was sitting in the femily area
where sitting with men is allowed. What laws did she break?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:10 PM
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8. WMD!
Woman of Massive Desecration
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:17 PM
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9. Strip searched? What the fuck are they searching her for?
A friend of mine got strip searched by cops in the US looking for drugs. She was wearing a cocktail dress and is quite beautiful. Sometimes you have to admit that women are searched for reasons other than public safety.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:49 PM
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13. The cooties, I suppose. -nt
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eib1 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:38 PM
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17. For pleasure, of course.
And her humiliation.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:37 PM
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15. American Woman Boasted of Saudi Freedoms To Bush Brother Before Arrest at Starbucks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

of course, the source is FOX
so.... it may not be true

that'll learn her
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eib1 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:40 PM
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18. Let her come to America.
She can sit wherever and with whomever she needs to.
She can get the job done.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:00 PM
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19. A look at Boston's future for women
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:17 PM
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24. Unfortunately, she has now learned one of the pitfalls of cooperating with those medieval curs
I wonder if she will now leave that despotic hellhole
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