Norway plans minke whale cull

[Judi Lynn]

Source: ABC/Reuters

Norway plans minke whale cull
Posted 11 hours 49 minutes ago

Norwegian authorities have announced plans to kill up to 1,052 minke whales for commercial purposes this year.

Norway's Fisheries and Coastal Affairs Ministry says that the quota level is set conservatively and is sustainable in relation to overall whale numbers.

The International Whaling Commission estimates that 107,000 minke whales live in the Atlantic waters off Norway.

The move has provoked ire from environmental groups, who have called on the country to respect the two-decade old moratorium on whaling.



Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/09/2158434.htm

[amborin]

1. horrific

i just posted something similar to this on general

about australia's outrage at japanese barbaric slaughter of whale and calf

just ghastly

no more japanese, norweigan, or icelandic anything for us anymore

[Judi Lynn]

3. Same here, amborin. It's a hideous way to use human energy. n/t

[Judi Lynn]

2. Norway keeps whaling quota, draws ire

Norway keeps whaling quota, draws ire
Fri Feb 8, 2008 1:59pm EST


By Wojciech Moskwa

OSLO (Reuters) - Norway has set a commercial whaling quota of 1,052 minke whales in 2008, unchanged from last year, drawing criticism from environmental groups pressuring Oslo to join the international community and call off its hunts.

Norway is the only country to hunt the giant mammal commercially despite a two-decade-old moratorium by the International Whaling Commission (IWC). Iceland stopped in 2007, citing a lack of markets for whale meat.

Last year Norway harpooned 597 minke whales, or 57 percent of its quota, and its kills have remained below quota ceilings since 2001, official figures show.
(snip)

Greenpeace and other anti-whaling activists say Norway's defiance of the whaling ban makes little sense because its whaling sector employs only several hundred people, the majority on a part-time basis.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL0850903520080209

[BayouBengal07]

4. What are they used for commercially?

And is there any way to do it without significantly impacting their population?

[Lasher]

6. Whales are mostly used commercially for food.

In 1997 it was estimated that the meat from a single 10 ton Meinke whale was worth $150,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_watching

[BayouBengal07]

8. $150,000?

Damn, I could make bank on those whales...

[malakai2]

5. Of course they say "cull"

Cull implies a directed removal of excess or unsatisfactory individuals from the population. If they called it what it really is, nobody would be on board with it. So who is the author/editor, and why did s/he choose the word "cull" in the title and the word "kill" in the first sentence of the story? The denotation is almost the same, the connotation is quite different.

[sir pball]

11. Well

What with the way we've thoroughly raped the Atlantic fisheries, it wouldn't surprise me if there IS and excess population of whales now; while I'm sure the current pop is far below historic numbers, the carrying capacity might just not be there anymore and a cull is indeed appropriate.

[and-justice-for-all]

7. Tell Norway what you think about this...

http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/fkd.html?id=257

[Diclotican]

12. and-justice-for-all

and-justice-for-all

Sir

I am from Norway, and as a citizen of that country I found it curious that a country who have hunted many animals to instinct ion, or almost to instiction are telling Norway that we are not allowed to kill some whales. Ok, 1000 whales it many, but I have to say, in a population who are maybe counting 100.000 or more, a mer 1000 animal are not many.. And I Will guess that the number would be much lover than this when it come to it...

But off course, you are free to say that it is wrong, I have a deep respect for that. But I have to say, many of them who are demonstration against Norwegian Whale hunt are not exactly the people who are passing down a food full av meat... And I have to say, that the life of a kow, ore a pig in many american farmers is pretty horrible that to... So I guess it is More easy to se what everyone else are doing wrong, but not to se what you are doing wrong self...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Thor_MN]

13. Once again, I have to agree with you, Diclotican

I understand anyone who does not eat meat having negative feelings about this, but do not understand those that do eat meat who are so worked up about this.

I am against any practices that lead to extinctions, but by what basis can a meat eating person judge sustainable hunting practices? Certain religions prohibit consumption of pork or beef by its members, but do not try to tell farmers or ranchers what to do. I have never eaten whale meat and probably never will, but who am I to tell someone else they should not. I know many people who likley do not approve of my eating beef and pork, but they do not interfere with my choice to do so.

If one's objections were based on the intelligence of the creature being hunted, wouldn't protesting the hunting of primates, otherwise known as "bush meat" be the primary concern?

[alarimer]

18. Because it in no way sustainable to thiese populations

Whales live a long time and are very slow to reach sexual maturity. They cannot bounce back from overfishing. They have never recovered from the previous whaling efforts.

There is absolutely NO justification for whaling ever. Every single product made from whales has an alternative source. Norway and Japan are simply being defiant- a big fuck you to world opinion.

We need an immediate boycott of Norway and Japan and hopefully drive those economies into the ground.

[flvegan]

19. Don't forget Iceland.

The third whaling country.

[Diclotican]

21. flvegan

flvegan

You may military supress that country. It would be no match for the mighty american naval forces. As the country have no military at all. Only some fishing patrol ships.. But they do have a gun turet on board the ships...

And, they have some wisitors, after US forces was leaving Keflavik. Royal Norwigian Airforce have stationed some F16s there, to help Iceland secure it borders against fishing pirates... And to keep a aye on the Russians in the nort sea...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[flvegan]

23. DKDC

Don't Know, Don't Care.

Iceland whales. It's illegal.

The American navy has nothing to do with it.

Look up the Hvalur 6 and Hvalur 7. A pair of Icelandic whaling vessels that hit the bottom of the ocean. A different navy took care of that.

[Diclotican]

20. alarimer

alarimer

The wale who Norway are hunting are in no way in danger of bee-in hunted to extinction. This whale who Norway are hunting are a specie that it is plenty about, and I really doubt that the authority in Norway would allow that a endangered animal Will be hunted to extinction anyway. Because you have seen the Free Willey Movies, who by the way was very nice, and pointed to a lot of important about what is important, to preserve nature before it is destroyed forever!: The Killer whale who are been seeing in The Free Willey movies are an endangered specie, not the whale who norway are hunting!: Even that the whale type may have a slow reproduction proses, and have a slow peace to reach sexual maturity.

For the record, Do YOU eat beaf of meat?.. If you do, have you thinking about how many hectares of rain forrest who are destroyed to get one Kilogram on the table to you to eat?.. Have you think about how many Decades of rain forrest who are destroyed forever, just because fat north american shall have their Hamburger and "freedom fries". Have you ever so often thinking about how in the last 50 year, hound res of thousands of decar of prime rain forest, are been destroyed and Will never recover because the forest are growing in a very slow pace, and it took maybe 100 year or maybe 1000 year to just get the forrest it was, before fat american decided to get a steak, or go to McDonald.... Have you EVER thinking about the fact that in the last 30-40 year, a size many times France have been destroyed because Nort-American want cheap Hamburger?..

It is dam right hypocritical to claim that Norway have to stop hunting less than 1000 whales, when the habit of eating are destroying the lungs of the world.. The Amazons are the very lung of our world.. And for the sake of cheap beaf for USA, the whole thing is been cutting down in a rate never seen before... So PLEASE think about THAT last time you are eating a Hamburger... Your habit of eating, are killing more animals than Norway are hunting... And we are doing a LOT more to help the rain forest of the world survive, than US are doing currently....

If you want to boycott Norway, and Japan, be my guest. Many others who want to have our product.. And what with your next electronic gadget, Have you thinning about where the product are made?.. Or where the product are been de-signet.. Ah, That are in Japan and Korea... And how about your Salmon, in many cases are from Norway fjords... And the list goes on and on.. OH, yes. Our petroleum, who are fueling your home, your school, your hospital or your guzzling car.. Are in many cases from the Kingdom Of Norway.. So if you want to spend MORE money on your gassbill, please be free to boycott Norway.. If you dont...

If we was to go into Boycott of another country about some thing, America would in many first list to be boycotted. Because the last 8 year, United States of America have indeed deserved a Boycott.. If China and other nations was to be agreed about how to "Punish" US, we can do it without a single shoot been fired.. Everything United States can made, can be made elsewhere.. It is not as in the good old days, where US are on the top of the foodshain, and we all have to tip-toe around United States for favour... If you was to Boycott Norway, Japan and other places, you may be surprised to se that United States of America was been boycotted and your already staggering debt to other nations coming to new hights... I really doubt that United States in anyway are in the position to demand thing from others, after 8 year with mr Bush on the helm...

If I insulted you, I am sorry, but That is what I mean.

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[alarimer]

30. I am a marine biologist. I know about sustainabilty

Heck, yeah we should be boycotted for our criminal behavior in Iraq. Maybe we'd get off our asses and do something.

There is no need for whaling. Whatever products your country gets from that can be found in some other source. I doubt anyone is clamoring for whale meat. But then Norwegians eat lutefisk so anything is possible (I am a victim of lutefisk myself- for some reason in my family it was a holiday "treat". Even the dog wouldn't eat it. But I digress).

I stand by what I said. I am not basing this on some emotional response or because whales are "cute". I am a marine biologist. I simply do not trust the science that comes from whaling nations on the impact of such harvests. At the risk of repeating myself, large whales do not mature sexually until a very late age (20-30 years perhaps) and live a very long time. They reproduce on average, depending on the species, once every 2 years. They cannot respond to sustained harvests in a rapid manner, the way many smaller fish and other animals can.

In addition, we are harvesting their prey species at an increasing rate. We have nearly eradicated the oceans of large fish, so we are now targeting smaller, planktivorous species that, in some cases, provide food for whales, among other species. Not to mention Navy sonar experiments that could potentially be a threat to many large species of whales. And wholesale environmental changes brought about by global warming, whose effects we are just beginning to feel and will no doubt have an impact on many large animals the world over.

The only reason Norway, Japan and Iceland (I forgot Iceland- how could I forget Iceland?) are doing this is simply to defy world opinion. A middle finger raised to the world, if you will.

[Diclotican]

33. alarimer

alarimer

By all means, you are the expert.. I am NOT a marine-bio-log and can therefore maybe not say as a expert that it is right to hunt whale. But I get Little ticket about that many says "Oh that is bad we have to boycott the county" when US the last 8 year as a country are responsible for a country goes down the tube.. Before US can go up to the "Morality top" they may have to fix what is wrong in Iraq... And stable the dam country.. ANd then try to rebuild what mr Bush so extremely good screw up in his presidency.. Then US can climb up on the hill and say "Norway, you are wrong in hunting whales" with power...

Hm, whale meat is pretty weird to eat, but in fact very tasty when you get used to it.. But you need to know what you are doing when you are made food about it. And I have to say, it is many year since I last eat the stuff.. I like oxen meat better than whale-meat.. And OXEN meat _is_ less expensive then whale-meat..

AH, the Lute-fisk. Famous Norwegian dish, who everyone else just puzzle over. Why in the world are we eating this stuff:evilfrown: And we so meting else, named Fårikål, made of sheep.. It is in fact very good, specially the 3 day:9 For some reason or other...

As I pointed out in another tread here.. We as human should NOT take more out of the nature then we need to take out to feed ourself. I believe it to be wrong to just take out without give the nature some time to rebuild whats taken out... And our food habit Will sooner or later end in a tragedy if we are not carefull... That come to Whales, as cods and so on..

Our habits for the last 100 year HAVE been doing harm to our planet, and I am also afraid it Will come to hunt us sometimes down the road,when we are not expecting it to come.. global warming, polluting of nature resources, people into areas of the world where it cant be sustained and so on,. Everything have a limit, and when the limit is coming it Will be to late to do something.. We as humans must act now.. Even that is is costing us something.. As stopping Whaling...

You might be right when it come to the middle finger raised to the world, when it come to hunting whale.. But for a fact, hunting for whale is a very problematic case in norway, and every year it is a long and in many cases HARD debate over the hunting and the people as whole are against it.... But for some reason the hunting continue some weeks, (a months or two I guess) but the quota are seldom taken whole...

I hope one day, that whales can roam the water free, and without the danger of been hunting down.. I do hope that:) But I guess it Will take some times. Maybe when we learn how to live WITH THE NATURE and not against it:think: If we dont, it can go as it are happed in one of this Star-Trek movies where a sivilization from long ago are wisiting the earth, and are allmoust destroying the whole planet, becouse the osean is silent. No whales there.. The crew of Enteprize have to steal a Clingon Ship, and fly back to earth as it was in 1986 and kidnap two whales, one male and one female.. And it ended good, as it allways are doing in Star-trek but after many adventures in the San Francisco and after the old Bird of Pray allmoust brake up mid space...



Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Patchuli]

40. "If" you insulted us? LOL!

You do. I won't say everything you say is not true, but you'll never justify Japan, Norway or Iceland's whaling. Never.

[Diclotican]

41. Patchuli

Patchuli

By all means, If I insult you, them I am sorry. But that is what I Feal about the case.. And if whale hunting is that bad, why you don't try to as you preach yourself?.. Little more vegetables on the table and little less meat on the table and you may save a lot of rain forrest to:? If what I so in US are right, many american are in deer need of some vegetables on the table.. Have never been a "slim" man, but by lord I was a slim person compared to most of the people I was seeing in US.. One woman I was experience to look at was so BIG that I was just seeing at her, as totally moron... I doubt she was seeing me, but it was amazing that a so big human can walk on two feet.. Just amazing.. Still cant forget the SIZE of that woman...

On the other hand. We can do our bid too, and stop the hunting for whale.. I believe it is just matter of time to the government are deciding that hunting whales is wrong.. We have doing that before, and can do it again, if proving that the hunting are damaging to the whales... I don't know about Japan or Iceland, but in Norway the whole case about whaling is at best a thing that is a big issue.. This is a case who would resolve itself in some year from now. And I believe it to be a stop in hunting...

But now, down in the bed, its 07:25 here now, and I have been lisning to some old Elvis all night.. :dilemma:

Take care everyone on DU. Good night, and have a good evening there in the US.. We love you stil, even after 8 year with the A**** Bush :grouphug:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Patchuli]

44. Diclotican

I hope your government does realize that it is wrong because it is.

I think you are lumping Americans all together as to our habits. I am no longer a vegetarian but we eat meat and chicken grown locally here in Northern Cal. I don't think that affects the rain forests. As far as weight goes, if you don't want to insult American women, DON'T GO THERE! LOL I have been into fitness all my life. I lift weights, swim, walk and dance. The weight problem in this country is mostly due to fatty food being cheap. Ergo, more lower income people eat cheap fatty food that is not necessarily healthful. Vegetables do cost. However, if gas keeps getting more expensive, everyone's going to be doing a lot more biking and walking I think!

Good night to you, Mr. Diclotican... :hi:

[Diclotican]

22. Thor_MN

Thor_MN

You are right, that in many cultures the using of meat is forbidden, and where you are not hunting serting animals.. In the bible you would find a list of animals who are forbidden to eat, but in the modern age I guess that list have going little out of date?..

When it come to Whale hunting. This type of whale the Norwegian are hunting are in no way on the brink of extinction.. If it was danger of that, our government would never allowed it to go forward. Even that it meant that many people are out of a job, and have to do something else.. And as it is pointed before. For the most part it is not what the hunting community are doing every day, for a whole year. It is a very strict regime in place, to ensure that nobody are hunting over what is allowed, and if someone are hunting more than they are allowed, a stiff fine would be in place.. And the government are very strict about fines in Norway!

I have eated whale meat, and it taste very strange, but if you get used to it, it is in fact pretty good meat.. The taste is little difficult to explain, i have not the language in English, to explain it I am sorry about that:spank: But it is pretty good.. And dam expensive.. If you are Lucky to find a little peace of whale meat, be prepared to pay the price for it.. 190-200Nkr for a half of Kg of whale meat.. More for a whole KG... Believe me, it cost to eat that type of meat...

I believe that hunting of Primates should be in everyones concern more than hunting whales.. Primates are our next of kind of some sorts and we don't eat our cousins do we?..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[flvegan]

17. Well, for starters

I don't eat meat, and I hate that my country has embraced ongoing animal cruelty and caused the deaths and extinction of so many. I do what I can to stop it, and live my life in such a way as to not contribute to it.

That said:

1. Whaling is inhumane. Once hit by the exploding harpoon, it can take an hour for a whale to die. If we executed cows like that in this country it would be a good point.

2. Whaling is banned by the IWC. It's illegal. Just because your parliament says it's okay and Norway registered an objection to the moratorium, doesn't mean that it is okay.

[Diclotican]

24. flvegan

flvegan

Good, you live by what you preach, and that is no easy thing to do:) I know what I am talking about here...

Whaling are not a easy subject in Norway. When the whaling was started first it was a hard long, and in many cases a very angry debate over the fact that we was to go hunting whales.. It was never a easy thing to decide on, and many Norwegian was, and are even today very against the whole Enterprise and would fight nail and foot to stop the act all together...

Our Parliament have not just waking up one day, and found out. Hm we want to go out in open sea, in to Small ships to hunt whales who in many Case is the double the size of the hunting ship. The day when they was hunting whales in open sea by factory ship are long gone.. The ships are much smaller, and they are in NO WAY capable of hunting down 100.000 whales of more, as the prediction of the specimen in this case are in.. Some recurses have even find that the whale in this case, are in the 200.000s.. So I doubt it would be difficult to manage a healthy population of whales in the Atlantic for the foreseeable future anyway you se it...

But as I was pointing out. If US are to stop burning down the rain forest, for the sake of shape meat to their hamburgers, then I am in agreement that we have to stop hunting whales.. But I am not seeing US stopping shopping down rain forrest, or to pay more for their meat, or for their hamburgers. So I guess we are on a in-pass here...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[flvegan]

25. No, we're in agreement.

Regardless of where we live, we need to stop destroying this planet. Whaling...destroying the rain forest...we need to just stop ruining everything we touch.

This isn't country vs country, US vs Norway. I have Norwegian blood. This is topical. It's people vs whaling. I've also been very active in the people vs raping the rain forest, etc, as well.

I'm not the US. I'm me. Just as you aren't Norway. You're you. I don't hold what your country does against you, just as I'd hope you don't blame me for the dumb things the US does...you know...Iraq, etc.

[Diclotican]

27. flvegan

flvegan

Correct. It is IMPORTANT to stop destroying our planet.. The ONLY place we know where life is living.. Even that it means no more cheap meat. Or no more whaling..

If it was up to me, I would stop the whaling period.. I have some doubt's about the scientific facts, but I really doubt that killing 1000 or less, are the same as killing a whole specimen.. But I do believe that we have to be careful not to over-hunt the animal. As I would with other things.. Do not take out of nature more than you Need!. And try to get nature better when we are leaving it, then we was coming into it. Have grown up almost in the woods literally, and Know about how to do it right.. And I hope when times come,the next generation after me, would learn the same as I have doing, to treat the nature with respect, and no deplete it unnecessary..

Ah, you have some norwigian in you:party: Many here on DU who have ancestors from Scandinavia. Denmark, Sweden and Norway (Finland and Iceland are not part of Scandinavia)

I would never hold against the whole country of USA the stupid adventure in Iraq.. I know it was lie, many others know it was lie, and it was a Lie long before it was known to men that is was a Lie.. But I fear that we have not seen the whole case before this administration have been long gone.. And my fear is that US would be standing in Iraq many year from now, with a lot more causality and maybe a broken army..

In my dram, I would have mr Bush, Cheney and the whole cabinet, and the whole gang in PNAC arrested, tried and convicted as war criminals and war profiters.. But that is just a dream.. I am dreaming of a new car also, and i believe i have better Chance of getting a newer car, then mr Bush in the dock...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English,not my native language

[flvegan]

32. Then we agree...

stop destroying our planet.

That's it, that's all.

Oh, and btw...thanks. Thanks for not holding our whole country to task for George W. Bush's Iraq adventure. It gives me hope that the entire world doesn't think the absolute worst of us because of his administration.

Arrested, tried and convicted...you and me both, brother. You and me both.

Much respect.

[Diclotican]

35. flvegan

flvegan

True, that is important, try our best to not kill the world we are living in... The ONLY PLANET we know who can sustain life in our world...

The world cant blame more than 300 million people for a Administration who blow it big time when it come to Iraq.. Even that many american today are finding out the hard way that this administration was of no good for them and their cases... for the most part we know that US are not that bad, as this administration have show the world.. The arrogance that this administration have given the world is just amazing.. And the worst part is maybe that they now NEED NATO FORCES in Afghanistan to get the country in some shape or other into control.. Because the Taliban and Al-Qauda. Two groups that Bush in 2001 tried it best to exterminate in the mountains of Tora-Bora.. And failed miserable when Chenney and the Mafia back Bush wanted the Iraqi Oil...

No I don't blame US as a country for the arrogance and stupidity of mr Bush.. But I hope that US are up to the standard they once was up to, and try their best to get the united states of america back to the democratic roots.. And are getting the whole story about PNAC, the neo-cons and the Bush criminal behavior into light once and for all.. Even if it hurts and many american would be arrested for crimes against humanity. Even if it means that United States of America have to make a lot of soul-searching for many years after a failed adventure into Iraq...

Mr Bush should be arrested the hour after he is no longer the President of United States. If no american court are to manage a criminal case against him, the criminal court of Haag should be the best place to take this man..And the other members of his Cabinet.. Even Collin Powell I once admired greatly should be in the dock, and have to speak for himself why he doesn't denied the lies ha was telling the UN Security counsel in 2003 before the Iraqi war...

You se;). We are not THAT different when it come to everything. We may disagree on topic, but when it come to it, we are more than agreeable And mr Bush are one of many issues we may be very in line with each other..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[and-justice-for-all]

42. I love Norway....

Some great METAL BANDS come from Norway.

However I disagree with this barbaric practice and see no reason for Norway to hunt Whale. I know America has some very serious problems and that the American Government does some horrific things, I voice my opinion of those issues with my representatives all the time.

[Diclotican]

43. and-justice-for-all

and-justice-for-all

True, and the funny part is that the Metal Bands who are very known abroad, are not very known in Norway itself...

By all means, everyone are free to disagree about whale hunting.. It is maybe a barbaric practice and I believe that in some year, it Will be stooped all together.. Even without boycott of Norwegian products...

But US for the moment are in no position to stand on the high hill and point to other to tell how to behave.. Not after Iraq, not after all the rumors of using of torture in investigation, after Abu Girab and so on... And I am afraid every time US want to point fingers, you Will get the same answers over and over again.. Clean up the mess in Iraq, before you point fingers other places...

US have lost much more than just some billion of money... And that Will take a LONG time to rebuild that.. If possible then...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[The Stranger]

9. No one has rec'd this?

[Warren Stupidity]

10. I hate this shit. Leave the whales alone.

Grrrrrrrr.....

[LeftyMom]

14. That's even more than the Japanese, for goodness sake.

Stupid fucks. :grr:

[flvegan]

15. Hey, Norway...sorry.

Sorry about number 5, that is:

The whaling vessel, Williassen Senior - Sunk in August 2007 (Svolvaer, Lofoten Islands)





The List:

1. The Nybraena - scuttled dockside in December 1992 (Reine, Lofoten Islands).
2. The Senet - Scuttled dockside in January 1994 (Fredricksberg, Norway).
3. The Elin-Toril - Severely damaged in 1997.
4. The Morild - Sunk in 1998.
5. The Williassen Senior - Sunk in August 2007 (Svolvaer, Lofoten Islands).
6. TBD

[Judi Lynn]

16. Wow! August, 2007. Didn't know. Great photos. Very pretty. Thank you. n/t

[LeftyMom]

26. You left off the best part.

She was 1. Not covered by insurance 2. Beyond salvage.

:D

[flvegan]

37. I LOVE that this bitch went to the bottom.

Uninsured, not going to reap any rewards.

I'm glad she's dead. Couldn't be happier.

Well, that's not true. The Nisshin Maru still floats. I'd like to see that one become an artificial reef.

[LeftyMom]

39. Seconded.

I wanna see that fucker sink.

[Diclotican]

28. flvegan

flvegan

And guess what.. The next year, the same hunting party was out at sea hunting down whales.. And in 1994 and 1997 the whole quota of 1000 whales was meat, even with one less hunting ship to hunt them down...

And for the downing of this ships. The people who was doing this act, of crimes was arrested and tried, and was getting to prison for what they was doing..

And I would guess it was a waste of money, and the environment was never safer than before.. The Oil spill was pretty hard in some case.. And a lot of birds was killed in the prosess... But for the greater good every ting is al loved I guess:sarcasm:

In other cases. the ships who was "downed" was up and going few months after.. It was a costly proses, but in 3 in 5 Case the ships was recovered, rebuild and then put to sea.. And the ship was not just using for hunting WHALES but even to fishing fish... Cods and its like..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[flvegan]

31. You'd be incorrect.

"And for the downing of this ships. The people who was doing this act, of crimes was arrested and tried, and was getting to prison for what they was doing.."

Really? Do tell who/whom exactly is in prison right now for scuttling these ships.

And NONE of those ships were "up and going few months after" at all.

[Diclotican]

34. flvegan

flvegan

No I don't believe that the people who was downing this ship are in prison today.. Our criminal system have little more clemency than your system... I guess they was given 18 mounts and a stiff fine and then free they was..

True, I was making a error there: Sorry about it. But for the 3 ship who was salvaged, was out in the sea in less than 12 months time..

But it must other means to register a wote of no-confidence then to scuttle ships.. Even that it is hard to reason with people who are hunting one of the most amazing sea-creatures of the world.. Have seeing a Whale on close contact once.. And the animal is amazing.. Big as a bus and impressive as hell...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[flvegan]

36. I vote to scuttle ships.

I love seeing the whaling fleet with open petcocks.

And no, none of them are in prison today. And none of them ever should be.

Those that send whaling vessels to the bottom of the sea bill with the Gods.

Heroes.

I have to ask...which ship was out in "less than 12 months time"?

You can't "reason with people who are hunting one of the most amazing sea-creatures of the world..."

Know why? They aren't people hunting. They can't be reasoned with. Exploding harpoons ain't hunting. It's inhumane, and you can't reason with shit-ass fucking morons that only seek to be cruel.

That's right...I said it, bitches. Bring it...

[Diclotican]

38. flvegan

flvegan

I guess you are little more "Militant" then I am.. I believe, to the opposite is proven that you can reason with the most of people.. But if proven els-vere, it may have to be worked out something else... But not say "he would not listen to my case" and then blow up ships.. Think about it, not everyone on a ship, are hunters.. If you are unlucky it is Innocent who are drowning because of that YOU disagree with the fact that the ship MAY be used to hunt a whale... Our criminal code is human compared to US criminal code, who have the death penalty on the table. But we do have a maximum penalty of 21 year, plus something we are calling "criminal custody" where the inmate can for many year, eve after the full prison time is up... I doubt that no one want to be arrested and sitting to rot in a prison for the next 20 year or so...

Off course a exploding harpoon is not exactly humane, and I hope one day, that the whaling community understand that. But the old exploding granate of old days are not the same type used today, thankfully.. But it is still exploding into an living animal, who feel as we do.. So I hope in time that the whole whaling thing would end, and that we can live side by side... Whale and humans...

A whale IS a amazing creature.. Big, mysterious and amazing.. Have never seeing to a whales eye, but they who have been doing that, have been struck by the intelligence they are looking at.. A whale is a much more smarter animal then we believe I guess

By all means.. Blow up ships if you want to do it.. But if you kill someone, you better get a good lawyer.. Even in Norway to kill a another human being is criminal... But we do not have the death penalty then.

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[HuffleClaw]

29. yum

whale burgers

whale steaks

flipper au gratin

blow hole with chips

blubber on a stick




seriously though, there is no need for this, no matter how tasty it may be.