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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:47 PM
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OPEC to assess actions in Venezuela-Exxon dispute
Source: El Universal (opposition newspaper)

Caracas, Friday February 15 , 2008
OPEC to assess actions in Venezuela-Exxon dispute

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) during its next meeting is assessing the possibility to take actions to support Venezuela in a legal dispute against US oil major Exxon Mobil, Ecuadorian Minister of Oil Galo Chiriboga told Reuters on Friday.

The lawyers of the OPEC member countries are meeting next March 4. "The actions that may be adopted will emerge from a legal analysis by our countries' lawyers to endorse Venezuela," Chiriboga said in a phone interview. He declined to elaborate on the likely actions.

The minister added that Ecuador does not intend to emulate Venezuela's threats to halt oil exports to the United States, the world's largest energy consumer.




Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/02/15/en_eco_art_opec-to-assess-actio_15A1367481.shtml
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:11 PM
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1. Good fpr OPEC; they finally did something that I like.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:34 PM
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2. I don't know about this. It could be that Rumsfeld is twisting the needles in his
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 08:39 PM by Peace Patriot
Chavez voodoo doll, and starting to cause pain and conflict--or some signs of it--among the strong Bolivarian allies, like Ecuador. The only way for these countries to defeat the monstrous power of the U.S. and its oil giants is to stick together. So, why does the Ecuadoran minister go out of his way to say that they won't threaten U.S. oil supplies, like Venezuela has (--in response to Exxon Mobile's act of war against Venezuela's sovereignty and its economy). Or, was it just a prudent answer to a corporate news monopoly, loaded question?

Hard to say. It could also be that the corporate news monopoly didn't want to let stand Ecuador's strong statement of support of Venezuela--and tried several questions to get any kind of negative-sounding answer, to add to the article. (Implied: 'Well, Ecuador may be taking this to OPEC, but it doesn't agree with Venezuela's threats. Implied conflict and division--even if on a minor matter of strategy--by merely putting these two things together that in reality are not of equal weight.)

I'm sure one of Rumsfeld's major goals is to drive a wedge between Venezuela and its many allies--especially the closest ones, and the ones with all the oil. The Bush/CIA Miami "suitcase full of cash" caper tells us that--an effort to "divide and conquer" Argentina and Venezuela (which failed--and got laughs all over South America, I imagine). (Laughs and shudders.) (Big oil find in Argentina last week--adding them to Rumsfeld's target list: Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador.)

For those who don't know that Rumsfeld is likely chief war strategist for Oil War II: South America...

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

The plan is economic warfare, destabilization and then the U.S. acting "swiftly" in support of "friends and allies" in South America (fascist thugs planning coups). Exxon Mobile made its move on the economic warfare front, last week--getting court orders (from "first world" courts) trying to freeze $12 billion in Venezuela's assets over a dispute about Venezuela's 60% share in its own oil revenues. Exxon Mobile would literally take the food out of Venezuelan babies' mouths to pad its ungodly wealth. But there's more to it than that. This is a destabilization move. Coca-Cola added to the fray by unfairly denying benefits to Venezuelan workers--stirring up trouble and unrest. And the big grocery chains are hoarding food--trying to drive up prices, and cause disorder. The fascists are in motion to try to topple the Chavez government by devious means, since they have repeatedly failed to prevent Chavez from getting re-elected (by ever increasing margins), or directly by coup plot, oil professionals' strike and other means. But this coup may be better planned--obviously is better planned. I think this, too, will fail--because of the strength of the Bolivarian alliances, and other factors--but when did that ever stop Donald Rumsfeld from creating chaos? He thrives on it, and it's very profitable to the war industry.




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Mik T Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:01 PM
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3. Rumsfelds role in this
Ok so here I am a little confused. What is Rumsfeld's current role in dealing with Latin America? He got kicked out of government and now apparently is working for a think tank.

I think I do have some idea of what might really be going on economically though. I think they are trying to pull the rug out from under the Venezuelans because they are uniting south america and declaring economic independence from the USA. The Venezuelans are not strangers to this treatment, though and I think they knew it was coming.

I do recently recall reading somewhere that Venezuela was planning on taking it's investments out of dollars and putting them somewhere else. There is also the South American trade organization (I think it's called G17) which is in direct competition with the WTO and There is Bolivia's recent withdrawl from ISCID. And Venezuela bought Argentina's debt from the WTO. This made Argentina solvent again and allowed them to begin their climb out of poverty. It pissed off the WTO though cause Argentina is making payments-at a significantly lower interest rate- on it's debt to Venezuela on a regular basis. (they weren't paying the WTO at all.)

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2007...

And- apparently other South American countries are threatening to leave ISCID including Venezuela. Now, the ISCID charter claims to be a neutral arbiter but in contradiction to itself, overtly explains that they are dedicated to preserving the free movement of currency. This would give them an obvious anti-nationalization bias. (this is the court that is the dispute resolution body of the World Bank that just seized Venezuela's money for Exxon) The leaving of ISCID began last month with Bolivia. They recognize that ISCID is pretty much a legal strong arm organization of the neo-liberals. I think it's actually the authority of this court itself that was brought into question by this- like what if other member countries realize they are being ripped off and decide to leave too?

South America is potentially the most resourse rich place left on the planet. These sleeze bags are tring to get a peice of it so they can buy more yachts and they had the door slammed in their face. they don't like that much.

ps: I wouldn't worry about the stores though. Venezuela had a lot of state run grocery stores- called the mercal stores- so, they might have a few shortages for a little while but their state run stores should be able to get what they need from argentina or Brazil if they can't get it from Venezuela. They import food from argentina all the time anyway.

Thanks to who ever my Secret admirer is for the Valentine hearts!!!



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:58 AM
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6. Welcome to DU, Mik T! Great post! Thanks for the info about ISCID!
I don't know what Rumsfeld's operational role may be, but it is no coincidence that he penned this disinformation piece about Chavez and Venezuela, with its veiled threats of "swift" U.S. military intervention in support of "friends and allies" in South America, just preceded by Exxon Mobile's first move against Venezuela (walking out of talks and going the the World Bank's ISCID), and followed by Exxon Mobile hostile court action, trying to freeze Venezuela's assets. This is a classic U.S. fascist/corporate strategy in Latin America--economic destabilization aimed at civil unrest and disorder, close alliance with fascist elements in the country (big funding of them, in fact, through USAID-NED and other budgets), and, in the case of Venezuela, multiple attempts at toppling the elected government. Venezuela, the majority of its people, and the Chavez government are fairly sturdy entities--as the many attempts of the Bush Junta to destabilize and topple the elected government have proven, but this is the most concerted effort I've seen yet, starting with a year or more of intense anti-Chavez propaganda in the global corporate predator press, and then Exxon Mobile's moves and Rumsfeld's threats issued in the Washington Post.

Rumsfeld is very closely connected to Dick Cheney, who is an operative of the U.S./Saudi oil industry. Rumsfeld is also a servant of the war profiteers. He may be out office but he is not out of the picture, by any means. He and Cheney must be very frustrated war criminals, at this point--having been denied their heart's desire--mass death of Iranians and takeover of the Iranian oil fields. They were going to use nukes to do it. But, a) the U.S. military balked at that, and b) ultimately I think it was China and Russia that stopped it.

So, where do they turn their attention to next, in their lust for oil and death? South America! What I suspect is that they must regain some fascist/corporate ground in South American oil fields, possibly as their payment for continued protection against prosecution for war crimes, grand theft and treason. Their list of heinous crimes is miles long. They should long ago have been prosecuted, but it's dead in the water. And why do you think that is? It's because their global corporate predator pals are protecting them. And, when you look at the global picture, you see chaos in Iraq and full oil production in stable circumstances a long way off, if ever, and a hostile world--created mostly by Bush Junta crimes and lawlessness, but also by NAFTA, "free trade," the WTO, U.S./Bush hostility and callousness on Kyoto and other efforts to stop global warming, their hostility to the United Nations, their hostility toward and provocation of Russia, and other policies --a world in which oil for U.S. global predation is becoming harder and harder to find. And this nest of rebellion in our own hemisphere--in the Andes democracies--must drive these predators nuts. They ran over us pretty easily. Not so the South Americans. They are fighting back.

I had thought they would first try to topple Evo Morales' government in Bolivia, and try to draw Chavez into the fray. Morales is a close ally of Chavez, and Bolivia is more vulnerable in many ways than Venezuela. But they could be trying to weaken Venezuela, and make it less able to come to Bolivia's aid, strike in Bolivia first--with the rightwing plan to split the country in two--get a precedent there of U.S. military boots on the ground--giving them second launching pad against the Andes democracies (in addition to Colombia)--and then move on more difficult targets like Venezuela, Ecuador and Argentina. They really hate Chavez for his role in uniting these countries on goals of regional cooperation and South American independence. He is their main target, and Venezuela has the most oil--which is being wasted, from their point of view, on bootstrapping the poor with education, medical care and many other social justice measures.

It was difficult to make sense of Bush Junta strategy in South America, until Rumsfeld came along and published his op-ed in the Washington Post. That crystallized many things for me. Rumsfeld is not a "think tank" intellectual He is a fascist and warmongering activist . His Office of Special Plans was THE hotbed of the NeoCons--and was basically at war with the CIA, which opposed the Iraq War. Don't for a minute believe that they have been de-mobilized, just because Rumsfeld is not heading the Pentagon any more. I'm not entirely sure how or why he resigned, or was ousted. I suspect it had to do with Iran. It could also have gotten rather hot for him, on some potential criminal/treason matters (such as 9/11). But he is one of the darkest of the visible dark lords who are destroying our country, our democracy and the planet. And he has not retired from evil-doing. He has his sights set on the Andes oil fields.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:34 AM
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7. k&r & forewarned, thanks. n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:05 PM
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4. The dopeman will not cutoff his (only) biggest customer
no one else refines their tar. They are in deep shit without that cash. I will complain at 4.50 gas, but still go to work. If Venezuela does not get our money their entire economy will collapse.

No one is going to put money into a place where the government will take it whenever they please.

I hear chickens roosting.
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Mik T Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:29 PM
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5. Actually thats not true
Only about 60% of their oil currently goes to the USA. Most of that goes to Citgo. CITGO is PDVSA's company. Venezuela will still process their oil through CITGO. They just don't sell it to exxon mobil anymore.

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Mik T Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:10 AM
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8. Venezuela should have the right to nationalize it's industries if it wants to.

We are being hypocrites if we say that Venezuela shouldn't be able to do this, after all, we have nationalized industries and services. Amtrak would be an example of one. Public transportation in general. Our fire departments would be another. Our highway system is nationalized. Our education system is nationalized. I for one, as a teacher, am pretty proud of that.

I am a little depressed that China owns a lot of our coal mines though.

So what right do we- a partially socialized country- have to be telling other countries they shouldn't be nationalizing their industries? Obviously, we don't.

Instead our current administration policy subsidizes industries we don't own. Thats pretty stupid because, if you think about it, it's more expensive to rent a car then to own one. You never get the equity from the industry. You just keep pouring money into the private sector, which because it is profit driven, tries to keep as much of it as possible. So your taxes go to pay the salery of CEO's. Thats what happened with Enron, and they didn't bother to deliver the services, they just went belly up and kept the taxpayer money. Now if California had owned their own power industry that would not have happenned because the government is DIRECTLY accountable to the taxpayer. They can be voted out.

Or are you so ignorant that you want to give more money to Exxon-Mobil? You should remember that Exxon WANTS you to pay 4.50 a gallon for gas. So to come down on their side in this dispute is just dumb. If they take Venezuela's money that they have no right to and Venezuela is forced to stop selling gas to us- guess who profits- Exxon-

Guess who suffers- you. It's not Venezuela we are in danger from- it's exxon. Look at a list of how many high powered members of the administration and the republican party are on the board of directors of that firm...I could find it if you like. As much as they don't like it, It's probably a matter of public record.




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:29 AM
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9. OAS refuses to exclude Venezuela (rejects Bush proposal)
OAS refuses to exclude Venezuela

www.chinaview.cn 2008-02-16 10:37:22

BOGOTA, Feb. 15 (Xinhua) -- The Organization of American States(OAS) refused Friday to exclude Venezuela from the OAS as proposed by the United States.

"I would never agree to exclude any country from my organization," said secretary general of the group, Jose Insulza.

"I hope these things do not happen. I believe it is a mistake to try to exclude them, it is a serious mistake to try to reject their participation," said Insulza.

Meanwhile, the OAS also refused to list Venezuela as a country supporting terrorism, which was proposed by U.S. congressmen.

Nevertheless, Insulza said the status of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) as a terrorist group has been established by international consensus and the OAS also believes the FARC commits terrorist actions.

The rebel group has been classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union and the Colombian government.

More:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/16/content_7613797.htm
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Mik T Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:42 AM
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10. FARC kidnaps women and children
FARC is not nice. Just because, in comparison to the columbian paramilitaries, they look nice, it doesn't mean they are. I wonder if they call the colombian paramilitaries terrorists though? They commit something on the level of 8 times as many atrocities as FARC. (Human Rights Watch Statistic) After all, fair is fair.

One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. The term is losing its meaning. What is the official definition of a terrorist anyway? someone who targets civilians? FARC would fit the bill there.
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