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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:09 AM
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Harper denies meddling in U.S. presidential primaries
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 12:11 AM by whirlygigspin
Source: Canwest News Service

OTTAWA/DALLAS - Prime Minister Stephen Harper fended off allegations Monday that his government deliberately meddled in the U.S. primaries by trying to undermine Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's stand on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

"We're not interfering in any democratic process, but you know this is something that affects Canadians deeply. There isn't a Canadian alive that doesn't depend directly or indirectly on the benefit that have occurred from trade and particularly from NAFTA,"

http://www.cbc.ca/MRL/clips/rm-hi/macdonald-obama-memo080303.rm




Read more: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=402a69b5-4b48-4c76-b61a-e32e59c474a7&k=87165



--Steven Harper is a lying weasel sack of shit douchbag

that is all.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:18 AM
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1. Wow, and I thought it was always *us* meddling in *others* affairs...
my how the tables have turned!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:58 AM
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11. Harper is a Bushbot and This Is Just Backscratching Across the Border
Take them both down--and the problem goes away!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:24 AM
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2. I've heard from many Canadians and read several articles which said
most Canadians oppose NAFTA
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:46 AM
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14. I Wish
that my inlaws felt that way. They are conservative and voted for Harper. Thank goodness I was able to get to my husband and he learned to think for himself, he voted Liberal and NDP :D. My father in law recently sent me an e-mail stating his staunch support for NAFTA and the hope that a Repug would get the job since they would keep it intact. Needless to say, I was ashamed of and disappointed in him for this view considering the fact that he hates Bush's wars with a passion and is very critical of him and the Republican policies. Then again, he always votes his pocketbook, so I guess it was not that much of a shock.
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sorrywrongemail Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:52 AM
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18. Political leaders try to pretend that isn't true
I was actually surprised to see NAFTA surface in the US again, since I'm so used to hearing the NAFTA issue ignored in Canada...
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:28 AM
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3. I trust Harper about as much...
As I trust Cheney. His Party label may say "Tory", but he's a Repub (sympathizer) through and through. Whatever most of his countrymen and women think, HE sure as heck doesn't want Obama anywhere near the White House!:mad:

And let's face it, next to us, Canadians have the SECOND-biggest stake in the outcome of the race for the presidency of anybody. They may not have a vote, but they definitely have a pretty strong concern--and pretty strong opinions and allegiances about it, to boot!

But then, obviously, I'm not saying anything our fellow DUers from Canada don't know already, right?:eyes:

B-)
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:48 AM
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4. No. You aren't.
Although I would very much like to see Harper out on his ass, and if he says he isn't meddling, that's exactly what he did. Mind you, he also came up with money during the last election that wasn't sourced...and most of us suspect US involvement there.

*shrug* quid pro quo?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:45 AM
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5. Sure he isn't and neither are all the Canadians on DU !!
:sarcasm:

I've seen many Canadians on DU trying to argue one candidate against another or
one topic against another. They should go home and vote that fucking 'Harpy" out!
Leave us to our votes just like we left them to theirs... or did we? I know I did.

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George1984 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:04 AM
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6. Little known fact about us Canadians.....
We do alot for your country and whether you like it or not we are tied together, so saying an idiotic thing "Leave us to our votes just like we left them to theirs... or did we? I know I did." shows exactly how uneducated you are. There were many accusations and reports to the contrary. The U.S is always involved in our elections and vice versa. I think it scares you that we know as much about your candidates as you do. Things like these comments also drive home the point of why many people in many nations do not like the United States, arrogance.

Harper is no angel, but Bush he isn't, and our other options are not worth the paper we vote on. So before you get on your soapbox, do a little reading and educate yourself.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:37 AM
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8. Don't get upset, some people just don't understand the close relationship
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 05:38 AM by acmavm
the US/Canada have. They remember it as a place where draft resisters could go during Viet Nam (God Bless Canada forever for that). They don't know that when one of us sneezes the other says 'bless you'. They also don't understand that the current bunch of criminal parasites in this country are causing trouble for the Canadian people. And that the Harper government is doing its best to keep up with the bush** crime family.

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George1984 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:43 AM
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9. I agree
Harper is a major league moron, we just don't have much else. Our laws prevent him from wielding the power that the Bush crime machine does, or I'm sure he would be there with him.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:59 AM
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16. In Defense of Canadians
I spend a good part of my time in Canada since my husband is Canadian. I am learning a lot about their political system and it is not as easy as just "voting him out". I wish that it were so. They are interested in the outcome of our elections for a variety of reasons. It's sad that many Americans seem to not care about the elections going on outside of their borders, much less within them, and the great effect that they have on the world. I do not doubt though that we meddled in their election. Harper is a Bushbot wanna be and I get a bit nervous when we don't hear from him about what he is doing because guaranteed, if he has learned anything from his buddy to the south, he is up to no good when he is not in the spotlight.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:55 AM
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19. "Interference" and meddling has often gone BOTH ways.
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 10:03 AM by AlertLurker
There are a MAJORITY of Canadians that did not vote for the sHarpster - this is why he has only minority support in the House of Commons today. Unfortunately, our true "left wing" is constantly being comprimised by the collusion between corporatist elements of BOTH the Con and the Lib parties that pretend to represent the majority of Canadians. The true left is being starved out by centrist appeasers.

NAFTA is a CURSE for Canada. It has been turning Canada into a third-world nation which may soon be without sufficient industry, manufacturing, infrastructure and technology to remain a fully independent US trade partner. The Oil and Gas Proportionality clause destabilises and inhibits Canadian control of our own energy supplies while virtually GUARANTEEING that secure supply of the USA. This what our corporatist masters on BOTH SIDES of the border NEED. The mainstay of our economy is now simply the EXPORT of RAW MATERIALS, rather than the creation or manufacturing of ANYTHING.

Our government, while appearing to be a "looser," multi-party system that that of the USA is ACTUALLY at once more rigidly controlled and more ruthlessly exploited and manipulated by EXACTLY the same MNCs and corporate elites pushing for a North American Union on both sides of the worlds longest "undefended" border. At least TWO of our major political parties are now controlled by these elements conspiring to sign away Canadian sovereignty at the drop of a hat, wink of an eye and passing of a buck. Another similar issue is that these same corporatist elements feel that, as the reigning "global elites," (unfortunately, ours are pretty much the same batch of criminals as yours) they feel that they have not only the right, but the DUTY, to meddle in Canadian and US, as well as Mexican and Latin American affairs. After all - they've controlled it all for DECADES - why stop now, and WHAT, precisely, is there to stop them ANYWAY?

I can sincerely apologise for our government - forgive us - we're trying to get rid of these scumbags as fast as we can, but they just keep crawling out of the Alberta woodwork, like oily cockroaches in a dirty kitchen, on BOTH SIDES of the aisle. We "Dippers" are gaining, but only slowly. Perhaps if the more progressive elements of either of our countries' political "machines" got more involved in the politics of BOTH of our countries, it would be better received...but it ALWAYS seems to be the RW fundie-fucktards that attempt to influence our respective political processes.

I won't apologise for arguing the merits of one US Democratic Primary candidate over another candidate - there are many such boards frequented by USAmericans here in Canada, and the candidate I supported has already lost. Unfortunately, the two left in the hunt are, at least in my eyes, potentially the worst (from the viewpoint of a progressive leftie) that I have seen in decades.

If I were allowed to vote in the GE, I would have to vote for a third party, since the differences between Dem and Puke candidates this cycle are so negligible. All seem pretty much Pro-War, Pro-Corporate, Pro-Police State. Don't be so horrified - Remember that I have to vote for a "third party" in Canada, too!

So please, once again, forgive we Canadians collectively for our inept governing Party's unwanted and unwarranted interference. They are disgusting RW dolts and corporatist appeasers just obeying their elitist masters, just like your own RW dolts and appeasers in government. They do not represent the majority of our country, however, so if you could spare a few Progressive firebrands of principle like Dennis Kucinich, we could certainly use their opinions on NAFTA, Immigration, Aboriginal Rights, National Sovereignty, human rights, the environment and corporate combat. We REALLY COULD USE SOME HELP, up here, too.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:23 PM
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20. what a wonderful rant
Joni Mitchell is that you? : )

--Just like David Frum (are you bitter?)
Steven Harpo represents the old rot of power and privilege serving itself at the public trought when it's feeble minded offspring lack the capacity to do anything other than rip-off, gouge and loot in order to retain their 'positions' both social and economic.

sickening
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:10 AM
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7. Financially... one's benefit is at the cost of another.... could that be.......US?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:50 AM
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10. Talk about a moronic move on Harper's part
to try to sabotage the possible next President of the United States is not smart at all.
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Caradoc Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:14 AM
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12. Harper
A bit of background for our american firends.

Harper is indeed a neo-con. That being said, the liberal party had grown arrogant after three majorities and needed a 'time out'. Unfortunately, this put Harper in a position to be the 'de facto' alternative. But, after so many corrupt conservative provincial governments (his cabinet is stacked with ex-provincial tories, most notably from the odious years of Mike Harris in Ontario), there was no way he was going to get a majority government right away...instead he was given an opportunity to prove that he and his government could govern with the best interests of all Canadians. Canada has proven that you can do well by mixing the best ideas of democratic socialism (universal healthcare, 'new deal'-type infrastructure and social investment, etc.) and 'free market' (I know, I know...no such thing, really) economics.

But Harper has instead shown that he is a rabid ideologue who has nothing but utter contempt for the parliamentary process. His government is on its last legs and even though the liberals have very weak leadership at the moment, Harper isn't giving Canadians much of a choice but to dump him. It's a dead certainty that he shares Cheney's desire for a North American union, a concept that is totally loathesome to us.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:10 AM
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17. Well Said
I don't think that Dion is strong enough for the leadership role and I don't think that many Canadians take either Layton or the NDP seriously, though they are making inroads. Hopefully, soon Canadians can find a good leader to replace the idiot Harper.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:40 AM
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13. Yup
Your comments pretty much sum up Harper.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:48 AM
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15. UPDATE 1-Canada defends Obama over NAFTA flap
Source: Reuters

UPDATE 1-Canada defends Obama over NAFTA flap
03.03.08, 7:00 PM ET


(Adds comments from candidates, embassy statement)
By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA(Reuters) - Canada defended Democratic front-runner Barack Obama Monday over accusations from rival Hillary Clinton that he is secretly at ease with a hemispheric trade accord which he publicly blames for losing U.S. jobs.

Clinton's criticism, on the eve of make-or-break presidential nomination contests for her in Ohio and Texas, stemmed from a report by Canadian television station CTV that an Obama economic adviser told Canadian officials the candidate was not seriously considering disrupting the trade accord.

But the Canadian Embassy in Washington released a statement essentially backing up the Obama camp's version of the meeting between adviser Austan Goolsbee and officials at the Canadian consulate in Chicago.

"There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA," the embassy statement said. "We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect."



Read more: http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/03/03/2008-03-04T000047Z_01_N03391783_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-OBAMA-UPDATE-1.html
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