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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM Original message |
Ecuador, Venezuela Demand Condemnation |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is this the off balancing distraction? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't think so. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree that it is far more than a distraction. I think it's Rumsfeld-orchestrated |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You do know Rumsfeld is a dumb ass, don't you? |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. rumsfeld is smart in the same ways that all of the greatest tyrants and villains |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Bah. He's fucked up everything he ever touched. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. Well, aren't there several countries that he can't travel to because |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. "...instead of Chavez and FARC successfully negotiating and working to get hostages released" |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Do you read what you write? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
58. reformed their ways??? that is exactly what they have refused to do |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So the answer is no? nt |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. The last time FARC tried to go legit and political, they all got slaughtered by |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Here's what the four hostages (that Chavez recently got released) had to say |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. Venezuela is starting to block billions of dollars in Colombian imports and investment |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. So? They're entitled to do that. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes, they are entitled to do that |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Colombia has been harassing Venezuela for years with cross border incursions. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. But what is this noise doing to help the situation? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. that will justified colombian invasion of Ecuador or any other country? |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I don't understand your question |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
80. in the case of Brazil there was no hostage exchange on the way |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Well. you have to admit the last time they tried diplomacy with Colombia |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. So what is your suggestion? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Viva Chavez |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Well |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Ah but you see there is a difference |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The problem is... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. What great psychic powers do you have to allow you to know how much trust DU'ers have in anyone? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Thanks Judi, but it's ok with me |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You may have a point. Hadn't thought of that! n/t |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Well, I agree with you there |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Given the context of our conversation |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I'd sure like to see some of your sources for your claims Chavez has "taken power," and has |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Okay |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. You want me to read 2 pages of detailed reports, as opposed to a 78 page section on the U.S. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #63 |
99. I missed this post last night |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
100. I'm in the process of reading all of MrWiggles' material, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Just saw your link. I remember that the opposition went wild attempting to drag any lame story they |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Actually, his support of Ecuador is probably very helpful |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Helpful how? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. It is the habit of certain posters who, when they run out of fact |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. If there is someone who ran out of facts that person is you... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. You posted: |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Well, according to Brazilian media Chavez is being more of a burden |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Media throughout Latin America has ALWAYS been right-wing controlled. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. They had no choice during the dictatorship |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Nicaragua, Argentina and progressive parties |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #72 |
97. I don't know about the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Fernandez is most certainly building an alliance with Venezuela. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Absolutely right! She was in Venezuela on Monday, too. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. And, btw, I love these statements. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I didn't say she is right wing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I stand corrected. You said this: |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #79 |
98. The sarcasm and all is cute, but |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. There was no sarcasm in that post. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Reading back... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Oh, never mind that. We all get pretty excited 'round here. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Brazil is not an objective player. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I make assumptions |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Bookmark your post so you can read it back to you |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Okay... I will do. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
105. Some comments on this Mr.Wiggles and SFexpat2000 exchange, re alliances in |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Thanks for taking the time to inform those who haven't understood these things already, |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Colombia is a client state of the U.S. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I didn't think Uribe would stoop to this and I was wrong. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
69. And why do you think that Chavez and Correa and their allies are NOT |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. bingo, Venezuela lies on the eastern border of Colombia if I am not mistaken |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. what about the incursion of paramilitaries in Venezuela |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. They are only entitled to Nationalize if they pay fair market value |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The economy has been growing steadily since 2003. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Chevron happy in Venezuela, says it's there for the 'long term' |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. "Entitled" to Nationalize? A sovereign people are entitled to do whatever they |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Hit 'em in the pocketbook |
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Doctor Cynic (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. and make the poor masses of Venezuela starve! |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. to my knowledge Venezuela foods were taking into the black market by speculators. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Truly! It was hard to miss in the newspaper reports. That's why they raided those trucks |
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Doctor Cynic (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. and why does a black market exist? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Please provide some information for DU'ers who don't know about food rationing in Venezuela. |
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Doctor Cynic (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Try this link: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Looks like the best bet is the Miami Herald which is sadly, wildly right-wing, pandering, as it does |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Because the production and distribution chains have been |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
74. hope you remember ENRON |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Wow |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
84. What was done to Venezuela's food self-sufficiency, by the rich ruling elite, |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. and nothing has changed in the regard to food self-sufficiency has it? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. nothing has change in regard to who controls the food supply n/t |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. and in food exporting countries like Colombia or the US?? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Can't you READ? Did you read the above--DeLong's analysis of Venezuelan ag policy? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:47 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Excellent Post! Deserves Its Own Thread |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. At some point, even the Colombian oligarchy is going to start seeing Uribe is far more trouble than |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. FUCK Colombia |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Duplicate. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. A kick since the topic has been merged |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Uribe is a thug and a criminal dictator. He needs to resign now for the good of all Colombians. nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Uribe the Fascist Puppet |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. Colombia Pipeline Bombed by FARC After Ecuador Attack (Update4) |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. This whole incident may be part of a test |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. I dunno. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Nicaragua has broken diplomatic relations with Colombia. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
81. Colombian anti-paramilitary march |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Colombians certainly want peace |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I don't think we can trust gages of sentiment in a country where |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. ahh, so Colombians don't know what is good for them |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
103. I'm saying the deaths of thousands of union leaders, community organizers, |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. you can take the February march as a good indication of Colombian sentiment |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. It's starting to be too easy to realize your purpose now. It has been published |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. there was a campaign against this march |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
113. And Uribe denounced it. What a guy. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
114. I heard about that. You recall that when the pro-government march was held in February, businesses |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
115. More from 'El Tiempo' on the march, March 6th: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
116. Photos of the march, from 'El Tiempo," Colombia: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
117. More photos from yesterday's demonstration in Colombia: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
119. More on that REAL peace march yesterday: |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
88. What makes this so wrong.. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Seemed very Bushlike to me, very Afghanistan. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. So screwed up could be a CIA op.. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. LOL. Yep. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:46 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. New guy on the block, and all. He has acquitted himself well. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
106. Could you say more about that? Because I have a context problem. |
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