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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:42 PM
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U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 4,000 after four soldiers killed in Baghdad
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:39 PM by flamingyouth
Source: www.msnbc.com

BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed four U.S. soldiers in Baghdad on Sunday, the military said, pushing the overall American death toll in the five-year war to at least 4,000.

The grim milestone came on the same day that rockets and mortars pounded the U.S.-protected Green Zone, underscoring the fragile security situation and the resilience of both Sunni and Shiite extremist groups despite an overall lull in violence.

A Multi-National Division — Baghdad soldier also was wounded in the roadside bombing, which struck the soldiers' patrol vehicle about 10 p.m. in southern Baghdad, according to a statement.


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23771735/
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:43 PM
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1. Bush/Cheney would call that success
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:46 PM
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3. Yes they would
Damn them all to hell.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:45 PM
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2. And Cheney will say, "So?"
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:03 PM
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30. And idiot dana perino will say, "it's just a number"
Too easy to predict. They should all be locked up in jail.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:19 PM
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32. And Bush is sleeply soundly.
I hate these people.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:47 AM
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61. His conscience is clear.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:07 AM
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49. exactly, PERINO called it just a number some 1000 deaths ago or whatever
and surely she'll say the same thing again.... these people are detestable and we frankly run out of words to call them - they are the scum of America...


THE DAMNABLE SCUM OF AMERICA!

4000 AND CLIMBING
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boilinmad Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:42 AM
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75. While.....
.....he's signing his precious oil deals. Fucker.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:48 PM
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4. a link just appeared
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:49 PM
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5. Very sad...
Words fail me. :cry:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:54 PM
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6. ...
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howsthatagain Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:55 PM
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7. These unneccessary deaths brought to you by the same folks who brought you ....
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 08:55 PM by howsthatagain
non-existent WMDS;
non-existent Nukes/Nuclear Ambitions:
non-existent Al Qaeda/terrorist connections etc etc;
only to fill the coffers of corporate war profiteers ... (oil companies, defense contractors, etc.) at the expense of our brave troops and the real Americans who support them.

And, because our tax dollars have been stolen away to fill those same coffers, the troops (wounded and the families of those lost) and their/our own children - go without.

It is disgraceful!
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:56 PM
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8. Also........a certain number of deaths from Katrina...
Certainly many could have been prevented if the U.S. Government had acted sooner.....
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:48 AM
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69. Do not forget to add the City and the State to that statement
Every level of government failed those people.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:05 PM
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9. it is indeed a disgrace
welcome to du, h
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:15 PM
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14. Welcome to DU
Sorry it's under these circumstances.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:28 PM
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20. So true--and disgraceful indeed.
Welcome to DU.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:56 PM
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28. Welcome to DU, howsthatagain.
You are so right.......
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:07 PM
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10. Mister Voinovich ... Aye! ... eom
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:09 PM
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11. ....
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:11 PM
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12. .
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:36 PM
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37. Ben's Comrades Still Being Slaughtered
FUCK. No. More. Words.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:40 PM
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39. .
:hug:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:57 PM
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45. Thanks Baby. My Heart Is Pounding So Hard Right Now.
:hug:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:13 PM
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13. Eh, Iraq is so 2006.
Besides, the surge worked. The military and civilian death levels are down to where they were when Iraq was only a hellishly horrific clusterfuck, as opposed to a devestatingly hellishly horrific clusterfuck.

:grr:

:grr:

:grr:

:grr:

:grr:

:grr:

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:17 PM
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15. "I told you so"
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:22 PM by bluestateguy
I told everyone that this war was bound to fail, and kill thousands of Americans and millions of Iraqis, and be an impossible quagmire, and cost a fortune.

I was right. I was just damn right about everything.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:21 PM
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19. You weren't alone.
Just in the minority.

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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:30 PM
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34. I was called a traitor and laughed at months before the invasion
Of course, I'm in the middle of Bush country. I was a lone voice in the wilderness here. However, I don't feel much like saying "I told you so." It's just too painful.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:34 PM
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81. Shit, I received death threats and was assaulted physically for
daring to suggest that the Emperor had no clothes.

I take no pleasure in gloating either. I'm just sad all the time now (especially after listening to the Winter Soldier hearings last weekend).
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:18 PM
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16. you reap what you so
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:36 AM
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60. "So" ? Do you mean...
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:00 AM
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62. I reek of the havoc I wreak in Eye-rak!
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 04:07 AM by tomeboy
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:20 PM
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17. "Let Freedom Reign!"
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:21 PM
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18. This is so sad. This has to be one of the worst wars on record.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:30 PM
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21. Welcome to the Desert of the Real...
...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:32 PM
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22. Next stop, 5000!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:33 PM
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23. McSame will waste another 4,000.
The electorate must be absolutely clear on this: they vote Republican they get four more years of this fucked up war.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:34 PM
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24. Will it matter?
We thought 2000 would make a difference. Then 3000.

Americans are blind, numb or dumb.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:35 PM
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79. these thugs are just piling the bodies higher and higher
for their rapture moment, can they be raptured right now please.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:38 PM
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25. God Damn it!!!
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:51 PM
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26. Here's the story
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:52 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 4,000
Grim milestone reached when IED kills 4 U.S. soldiers in Baghdad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23771735/

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC News Services
updated 15 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Four U.S. soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb in southern Baghdad late Sunday, raising the death toll for American forces since start of the war to 4,000, according to the Pentagon.

The grim milestone was reached less than a week after the fifth anniversary of the U.S. invasion to topple former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and coincided with a spate of violence across Iraq on Sunday that left at least 61 people dead.

The attacks included rockets and mortars fired at Baghdad's U.S.-protected Green Zone and a suicide car bomb detonated at an Iraqi army post in the northern city of Mosul.
Story continues below ↓advertisement

The latest violence underscored the fragile security situation and the resilience of both Sunni and Shiite extremist groups as the war enters its sixth year.

The attacks in Baghdad probably stemmed from rising tensions between rival Shiite groups — some of whom may have been behind the Green Zone blasts. It was the most sustained assault in months against the nerve center of the U.S. mission.

Late Sunday, four U.S. troops were killed and another injured after being attacked with an improvised explosive device while conducting a vehicular patrol in Baghdad, the military said.

The military said the soldiers were from Multi-National Division but gives no other details about their identities

The deadliest attack of the day was in Mosul when a suicide driver slammed his vehicle through a security checkpoint in a hail of gunfire and detonated his explosives in front of an Iraqi headquarters building, killing 13 Iraqi soldiers and injuring 42 other people, police said.

Iraqi guards opened fire on the vehicle but couldn't stop it because the windshield had been bulletproofed, said an Iraqi army officer. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not supposed to release the information.

Mosul, Iraq's third largest city about 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, has been described as the last major urban area where the Sunni extremist al-Qaida group maintains a significant presence.

Green Zone under attack

In Baghdad, rockets and mortars began slamming into the Green Zone early Sunday, and scattered assaults persisted throughout the day, sending plumes of smoke rising over the heavily guarded district in the heart of the capital.

A U.S. public address system in the Green Zone warned people to "duck and cover" and to stay away from windows.

U.S. spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo said four people were wounded in the Green Zone, which includes the U.S. and British embassies as well as major Iraqi government offices. She gave no nationalities.

But Iraqi police said 10 civilians were killed and more than 20 were injured in rocket or mortar blasts in scattered areas of eastern Baghdad — some of them probably due to misfired rounds.

Also in the capital, seven people were killed and 14 wounded in a suicide car bombing Sunday in the Shiite area of Shula in the capital, police reported. Such attacks are the hallmark of Sunni religious extremists.

Gunmen opened fire on passengers waiting for buses in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad, killing at least seven men and wounding 16 people, including women and children, according to police.

Police also found the bullet-riddled bodies of 12 people — six in Baghdad, four in Mosul and two in Kut, scene of clashes between government troops and Shiite militiamen.

Elsewhere, several mortars or rockets struck a U.S. base in the Shiite city of Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, Iraqi police said. The American military did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the attack.

No group claimed responsibility for the Green Zone attacks, but suspicion fell on Shiite extremists based on the areas from which the weapons were fired.

Uprisings, clashes

The attacks followed a series of clashes last week between U.S. and Iraqi forces and factions of the Mahdi Army, the biggest Shiite militia loyal to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Al-Sadr led two uprisings against U.S.-led coalition forces in 2004. Last August he declared a six-month cease-fire to purge the militia of criminal and dissident elements.

U.S. officials have cited the truce, which al-Sadr recently extended, among the reasons behind a 60 percent drop in violence since President Bush ordered 30,000 U.S. reinforcements to Iraq early last year.

But the cease-fire has come under severe strains in recent weeks. Al-Sadr's followers have accused the Shiite-dominated government of exploiting the cease-fire to target the cleric's supporters in advance of provincial elections expected this fall.

Al-Sadr recently told his followers that although the truce remains in effect, they were free to defend themselves against attacks. Al-Sadr followers have demanded the release of supporters rounded up in recent weeks.

U.S. officials have insisted they are not going after Sadrists who respect the cease-fire but are targeting renegade elements, known as special groups, that the Americans believe have ties to Iran.

But the pattern of the attacks against the Green Zone could be a signal to the Americans and their Iraqi partners to ease their pressure against mainstream Sadrists or the special groups.

Escalating violence

Elsewhere, 12 gunmen were killed Sunday in a raid against a suspected suicide bombing network east of Baqouba, the U.S. military said.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:54 PM
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27. Heartbreaking.
:cry:
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:01 PM
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29. I remember #1
Remember when the first casualty was announced? At the time the networks had their shiney new war theme music, new graphics and 24 coverage. The media flocked to the home of the father of the soldier who with tears streaming down his face looked at the camera and said "take a good look George Bush, you took my only son, my only son".
I will never forget that moment. The media was stunned to come face to face with the reality of what they shamelessly promoted and the man faded into history.
Now it is 4000 more.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:17 AM
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71. I remember that
The man was a minority and from Los Angeles.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:18 PM
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31. BBC Story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7310924.stm

The number of United States military personnel killed in Iraq since the US-led invasion five years ago has passed the 4,000 mark.

The latest to die were four soldiers whose patrol vehicle was blown up by a bomb in southern Baghdad on Sunday.

The deaths bring the total to 4,000, according to figures calculated by the independent website icasualties.org, and the Associated Press.



This sucks!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:25 PM
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33. 4000th soldier dies in Iraq
Source: CNN

CNN just announced the death of the 4000th American soldier in Iraq.

No link yet.



Damn you to hell for all eternity

George W Bush

Dick Cheney

Donald Rimsfeld

Condaleeza Rice

Paul Wolfowitz

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:31 PM
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36. don't forget, Edwards co-sponsored the damn thing
some Democrats supported it, including Hillary Rodham Clinton - they ALL HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:31 PM
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35. Damn you, George Bush!
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:31 PM by Brigid
Damn you and your entire crooked, fascist, illegitimate regime to the ninth circle of hell! "Shock and Awe," my ass! :grr:

I was just about to turn off the TV and go to bed when I saw this on CNN. Fat chance of that now. :grr:
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:40 PM
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40. FUCK YOU GWB!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:39 PM
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38. This is a very. very sad day----and it should remind us why we have to stick together as Dems.
Victory is not optional this fall. 4000 will be double that by the end of a John McCain presidency.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:39 PM
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80. this murderous regime we have is taking down our sons,daughters etc.
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 01:42 PM by alyce douglas
while they never had to serve or just evading their commitment to this country by deferring, COWARDS, but just to make their blood money. Why are we so paralyzed to do anything against these thugs?
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:42 PM
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41. The spoils of corporate fascism.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:42 PM
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42. it's romantic sez bush!
cretin bastard!
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:49 PM
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43. Mission Accomplished







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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:54 PM
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44. 4,000 people is larger then most towns in Alaska.
Over a 1,000,000 dead would be killing every single person in Alaska TWICE! That my friends, is sickening!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:07 PM
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46. 4,000 Commas
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:11 PM
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47. Hell is probably too good for the evil and corrupt BushCo Regime.



... but it will have to do until something more deserving comes along.



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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:10 AM
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50. and if every COMMA was worth a THOUSAND LIVES....
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 12:11 AM by themartyred
you'd need over one thousand commas to show the total dead Iraqi civilians.



Good Job, George & Dick! Your mass murder of Muslims is running smoothly. No wonder they hate us - their country had 0.0% to do with 9/11.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:04 AM
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64. You will run out of commas
if we also count all the guys and gals without arms and legs and eyes who returned from this war supposedly "in one piece".
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:12 PM
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48. lest we overlook -
Iraq is 4000, plus there are 4 MIA for whom there is little realistic hope, plus there are 488 KIA in Afghanistan, plus 3 NATO forces KIA in Afg. in the past couple of days not yet identified.

The 4000 figure is of course significant. There are 495 other families, though, also suffering loss.

Pay your respects to them all at http://www.Zeitlangers.com





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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:14 AM
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51. I wept as I watched this montrous war begin that awful night
5 years ago and I'm weeping now. What is it going to take? I cannot believe that the world is standing by and allowing this to continue. I hate this war more than I've ever hated anything in my life. :cry:
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:27 AM
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52. The Dead are Gone, Imagine the Wounded!
So many more wounded will be living the rest of their lives with their injuries. So sad for them and the families.
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:37 AM
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53. 4000 and counting
Has anyone seen this from The Forbidden Knowledge?


US 'deploys nuclear sub to Persian Gulf'

Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:46:06

USS Montpelier crossing the Suez Canal, Feb. 2003
An American nuclear submarine has crossed the Suez Canal to join the US fleet stationed in the Persian Gulf, Egyptian sources say.

Egyptian officials reported that the nuclear submarine crossed the canal along with a destroyer on Friday and Egyptian forces were put on high alert when the navy convoy was passing through the canal.

An American destroyer recently left the Persian Gulf, heading towards the Mediterranean Sea; earlier Thursday, a US Navy rescue ship crossed the canal to enter the Red Sea.

The deployment comes as recent reports allege that US Vice President Dick Cheney is seeking to rally the support of Middle Eastern states for launching an attack on Iran.

This is while US officials deny that Cheney's Mideast tour is linked to a possible military attack on Iran.

According to the latest reports, in recent months a major part of the US Navy has been deployed in and around the Persian Gulf.

The fleet is armed with nuclear weapons and cruise missiles and carries hundreds of aircraft and rapid reaction forces.

http://www.presstv. ir/detail. aspx?id=48682§ionid=351020205
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So is this the Plan?
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:40 AM
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54. I went to a candlelight vigil when the number was 2000.
I recalled thinking that that number was so high. Have I become normalized to this? I hope not.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:08 AM
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55. K&R
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:32 AM
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56. Imaging the rage of the Iraqi people

This administration has murdered 4000 young people on our side - that's true.
But for everyone killed on our side 300 Iraqi people were murdered by our actions: 1.2 million people so far!
Bush and his henchmen and -women are now in the same league as other mass murderers in history, like Pol Pot or Kim Il Sung.

It's time to send Bush, Powell, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others to The Hague.

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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:32 AM
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57. for nothing
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:37 AM
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58. We have met the enemy...
and they are us.
--Pogo

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Anyway, all the time, all over the world. People were using their motor cars to kill with. They were carrying infectious diseases around, blowing microbes in other peoples faces, leaving gas-jets turned on in kitchens, pumping out carbon monoxide in closed garages. How many people, for instance, were involved in manufacturing H-bombs, from the miners who mined the uranium to the shareholders who owned mining shares? Was there any person in the world who wasn't somehow, perhaps only statistically, involved in killing his neighbor?
--Ian Fleming, Goldfinger
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:35 AM
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59. So?
... said Dick Cheney.


They don't care. Evil bastards.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:02 AM
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63. This is so very sad.
~PEACE~
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:14 AM
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65. A sad and tragic waste in a war that never should have been fought. nt
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MCMetal Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:29 AM
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66. Tony Snow held a press conference .......
And announced it's "just a higher number".
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:03 AM
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67. RIP Troops
FUBAR!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:13 AM
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68. But rather than talk about the war, MSM will run the Rev. Wright tape. nt
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:14 AM
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72. Nailed!
How convenient, is it not?
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:03 AM
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70. Congratulations, BushCo
Congratulations on reaching another milestone in war deaths, you miserable pieces of excrement.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:17 AM
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73. pro patria
"See what I have brought?" he asked us.
He opened the case and showed us the scarlet lining and the golden wreath. The wreath was made of artificial laurel leaves, and the whole was sprayed with radiator paint.

The wreath was spanned by a cream-colored silk ribbon on which was printed, "Pro Patria."

Minton now recited a poem from Edgar Lee Masters' the Spoon River Anthology, a poem that must have been incomprehensible to the San Lorenzans in the audience – and to H. Lowe Crosby and his Hazel, too, for that matter, and to Angela and Frank.

I was the first fruits of the battle of Missionary Ridge.
When I felt the bullet enter my heart
I wished I had staid at home and gone to jail
For stealing the hogs of Curl Trenary,
Instead of running away and joining the army.
Rather a thousand times the county jail
Than to lie under this marble figure with wings,
And this granite pedestal
Bearing the words, "Pro Patria."
What do they mean, anyway?

"What do they mean, anyway?" echoed Ambassador Horlick Minton. "they mean, 'For one's country.'" And he threw away another line. "Any country at all," he murmured.

"This wreath I bring is a gift from the people of one country to the people of another. Never mind which countries. Think of people...

"And children murdered in war...
"And any country at all.
"Think of peace.
"Think of brotherly love.
"Think of plenty.
"Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.
"As stupid and vicious as men are, this is a lovely day," said Ambassador Horlick Minton.

Cat's Cradle, Vonnegut.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:18 AM
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74. That is so sad..and..
It's a disgrace. This war is a fraud and a disgrace.

I know my father's generation never dreamed there would be another quagmire like Vietnam. But, here we are.

*sigh*
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 11:24 AM
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76. I am of that generation.
An excellent friend was killed there. I have touched his name on 'the wall' and cried in the rain over the loss. I hated that war; protested that war. I thought we learned a lesson from that war.

I was wrong.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 11:58 AM
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77. Yes
I thought we learned our lesson too. But I realized recently, when my father (who always used to vote Republican, btw) said it is just the same, that we really didn't learn much at all. (sigh)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:32 PM
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78. shameful
:cry:
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