Report: NYC Freedom Tower plans found in trash (Homeless man)

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: AP

NEW YORK (AP) — A homeless man has come forward with two sets of confidential ground zero blueprints that he says were dumped in a Lower Manhattan trash can.

The man brought the Freedom Tower plans to the New York Post, which says the 150-page schematic is marked: "Secure Document — Confidential."

The documents are dated Oct. 5, 2007. They contain plans for each floor, the thickness of the concrete-core wall, and the location of air ducts, elevators, electrical systems and support columns.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-103/1208525042102390.xml&storylist=national

[truthisfreedom]

1. Perfect. Freedom, schmeedom.

Doubt firmly planted in America's psyche.

[NavyDavy]

2. i guess it takes alot to teach people to keep stuff like that

locked up and protected.....unfortunatly it probably will take another attack to teach Americans we are not untouchable!

[nykym]

It's a good thing

the homeless guy found them before the islamofacists picked them up from the secret drop box.

[Frustratedlady]

3. They'll probably find fingerprints of a known terrorist who stole the prints.

Gettin' close to heavy campaigning and they need all the "scare" they can scare up.

[onehandle]

4. Rudy must still be in charge.

Heckuva job, Fatherland Security.

[grahamhgreen]

5. If would have cost more for the private contractors to shred the document, so they were just

protecting the shareholders best interests!

[high density]

6. Oh that's too bad, we'll have to scrap that design now

and come up with something better.

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/

[L0oniX]

7. Hell ...they could have rebuilt those buildings by now. WTF

[cyberpj]

10. They needed the money elsewhere: PHOTOS: The $592 Million U.S. Embassy In Iraq

PHOTOS: The $592 Million U.S. Embassy In Iraq»
Construction of the U.S. embassy in Iraq, set to open in September, is projected to cost $592 million, with a staff of 1,000 people and operating costs totaling $1.2 billion a year. It will be a 104-acre complex, which is the size of approximately 80 football fields. On May 10, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) criticized the ballooning size and cost of the embassy in a hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:

Now, having said over and over again that we don’t want to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq, we’re building the largest embassy that we have — probably the largest in the world — in Baghdad. And it just seems to grow and grow and grow. … We agree that we should focus our aid locally not in Baghdad, but we have 1,000 Americans at the embassy in Baghdad. You add the contractors and the local staff it comes to 4,000.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/photos-embassy-iraq/

[L0oniX]

11. I gladly go without health care and gas and a home for that ....NOT.

It's really sad to see all that money spent on another country when we are on the brink of catastrophe here at home.

[DS1]

8. Hans Gruber is most disappointed

[PetraPooh]

9. Aren't building plans on any building, less the security details, available

at most city halls? It may be a "secure document - confidential" for entirely different reasons than homeland security type
.

[Igel]

12. It's almost surely not a governmental designation.

I worked around lots of "confidential" and "secure" documents. The government had nothing to do with them; there were in-house mechanisms for dealing with them. It took a week or two before somebody pointed them out to me; for that time, I was in violation of company policy.

[Javaman]

16. Exactly. And like I stated in another post...

I didn't see any signed seals on that photo of the front page. So it's most likely a DD set.

[Javaman]

15. A copy of all "blueprints" (since they have been blue since the 50's)

have to be filed with the city and unless it's a government contract it's completely open to the public for inspection, including security, believe it or not.

But unless you have a clue as to what you are looking at, you really wouldn't understand half of it. Especially for a project that big.

Also, for a project that big, this was more than likely a DD set, because for a project of that size, the amount of blue prints generated would fill at least one semi.

[jmowreader]

17. What is a "DD set" of blueprints?

Just wondering.

[Javaman]

18. Oops sorry, got caught up in the lingo, it means design development. :) nt

[BigDaddy44]

21. The really really large ones

Sometimes surgically enhanced.

[frylock]

13. found in trash where they belong..

freedom tower -- what a bunch of nationalist bullkrap.

[Javaman]

14. Since I work at an architecture firm...

I'm actually not all that worried.

What needs to be checked is whether or not they are signed and sealed. if they are, then that's pretty big stuff.

just looking at the cover page of the set, it appears as if they are probably nothing more then a DD set. And probably a milestone set if that. If they are under a 70% set, then frankly there is really nothing to worry about and this is just a hyped up bullshit story.

It's the last 30% of a project that has all the final stuff in it. Prior to that, it's just layout and most of that stuff changes in the end product.

I doubt very severely that this had any of the struct drawings included with it. It's at most the arch design which would be completely useless to anyone, even terrorists.

[RantinRavin]

19. Even if they were signed and sealed they are usually worthless

The individual subs doing the work on the project usually have to make so many changes to the plans to actually make them work since the engineers didn't cross check for conflicts that the first set of plans is worthless.

[Javaman]

20. LOL very true. Then it becomes RFI wonderland! LOL nt

[angrycarpenter]

22. I have never seen a plan that wasn't full of holes

I try to work to the plans as closely as possible but even on a house the plans are just suggestions. Hundreds of times I have had to make a judgment call because the plans just didn't show what to do. Architects like to think that they design structures, and they do, but it is up to the workers to make it work. Every detail cannot be put on a set of plans.

As to terror, just casing an existing building tells them all they need to know.

[jmowreader]

23. I never heard of a terrorist worrying about saving money on his next attack

Yea, all this technical information for a building that will probably never be built is fine if you're the Loizeaux brothers and you're trying to drop said imaginary building in such a way as to maximize profit by minimizing explosives cost.

OTOH, if you're a Stinking Terra Criminal, you just build the biggest fucking bomb you possibly can because you KNOW no one's going to let you come in every night for the next three months to set charges.

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[JackRiddler]

25. This story is from New York Post...

and it's bullshit. I'll bet you.