Pope criticises US for ignoring diplomacy before Iraq war

[sabra]

Source: The Daily Telegraph

Pope Benedict XVI made a veiled attack on the United States for failing to listen to the international community before starting the war in Iraq.

In a carefully-worded speech to the United Nations’ General Assembly, the Pope underlined the need for diplomacy.

“Multilateral consensus continues to be in crisis because it is still subordinated to the decisions of a few, whereas the world’s problems call for interventions in the form of collective action,” he said, adding that international rules must be “binding”.

He continued: “There have been painful lessons for the US, the UN and other member states. I think in the end everybody’s concluded it’s best to work together with our allies and through the UN,” the Pope said.

Archbishop Celestino Migliore, the Vatican’s UN representative, said the Pope wanted to attack “the false notion that might makes right”.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/18/wpope418.xml

[fascisthunter]

1. He's Right about That (nt)

[FiveGoodMen]

2. And if he hadn't tried to hurt Kerry's chances in '04, we might be out of there by now.

[fascisthunter]

5. Now See... I Try Being Positive about a Guy I Don't Like

and a fellow DUer has to bring up uncomfortable facts. Damn....

[CountAllVotes]

6. bingo!!!

and that is why the pope did not want to go to the White House and have dinner with *. He'd been told to shut the f up is why! :mad: :grr: :argh:

[Traction311]

15. Umm, come on now, he wan't even the Pope yet in '04

N/T

[FiveGoodMen]

22. It was still Ratzinger

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x23811

[CountAllVotes]

4. Pope Benedict is trying to be another John Paul

and he IS NOT. Not even close. If anything, this pope was JP's hatchet man for the dirty work that had to be done. He knew damn well about the molestations as did JP. It sickens me completely.

Who is he to say what is right and what is wrong?

Bottom line is this: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ANTI-WAR. They always have been and always will be.

I wish this idiot would shut-up and do something positive, like require extensive psychiatric testing of all who attempt to enter the priesthood.

I read that this pope claimed that the molestations were "strictly an American phenomena" which is a total crock o'sh*t. Why does pope Benedict hate America?

Go home and stay there is what I say to you Pope Benedict! :mad:

:kick:

[fascisthunter]

7. Well... I Tried to See Some Good in Him

sheesh

:yoiks:

[CountAllVotes]

8. I tried for awhile too

and then I gave up after I read that statement about the molestations being "strictly an American phenomena". BULLSH*T.

We both tried. Cannot say we didn't!

[bdamomma]

19. Pope John Paul called * out for what he is.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

Title below

Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends - Church - journalist Wayne Madsden - Brief Article
Catholic New Times, May 18, 2003

[trthnd4jstc]

27. An Anti-Christ may be any person who does not believe that Jesus was the Christ

I do not know. I am certain the Pope is not the Anti-Christ, and by definition, neither is Monkey Boy. Yet, the Monkey Boy is a fricken idiot, and possibly a sociopath.

[sakabatou]

3. "But, but, we gave 'im 48 hours...

Don' that count?"

[chelsea0011]

9. So Faux and the right will now ask why the Pope hates America?

It sounds like the Pope had a Rev. Wright moment. Should I leave the Catholic church? Oh, wait. I already did.

[goodgd_yall]

14. I was wondering how Fox would handle any anti-war statements by Benedict

They love to grovel over Cathoic hierarchy (as long as it's traditional and obedient to the Vatican). My guess is they won't make the connection to the Iraq War or they just won't report what he said.

[goodgd_yall]

23. Just as I supposed, Fox News didn't report any of the remarks

quoted in the Telegraph article. They love to love the Pope, but they're in denial of anything critical of the U.S.

[Javaman]

10. and moron* replies...

while chewing gum with his mouth open and picking his nose, the prezzz* said today, "we did diplomacy and stuff!"

[balantz]

11. Well, why can't "Mister God" say something like:

"This war is completely illegal and immoral. The U.S. is engaging in illegal and immoral mureder and torture and bringing suffering and ruin upon millions of innocent lives all for the EVIL of greed and it must be stopped immediately!"

Huh? Where are you on this shit Mister Pope?

[Soylent Brice]

16. that was my first thought,

if he's actually going to put his two cents in, and pretend to be concerned, why not state the obvious crimes of this administration and scold us for that? he might as well have smacked his hand with a ruler and then got back on the plane.

[TankLV]

17. that would be too logical - has to kiss up to the nut job with his finger on the button for another

nine months or so...

[SlingBlade]

12. Humm, Nothing about Torture though huh

Imagine that

[goodgd_yall]

13. The last 5 popes have all been anti-war

That is something you can count on. Yeah, yeah, yeah this pope has a lot of negatives, but at least he's one powerful voice that speaks against war.

[bdamomma]

18. Benedict said it to the UN but did not mentioned a peep about

it to Bush.

[goodgd_yall]

20. We don't know if he peeped

And if he did, you can bet Bush isn't going to tell us.

[balantz]

21. The world needs to hear his condemnation of this evil war.

Little good it would do for him to whisper in shrub's ear.

[np33]

24. It seems

That no matter what this Pope says or does people will continue to denigrate the him and the Catholic religion. I also find it remarkable that its okay to show religious intolerance towards Catholicism but if I flipped most of these comments around and applied it to Judaism or Islam I would be seen as a bigot.

[FiveGoodMen]

29. Should he be above criticism just because of his office?

[np33]

31. No but

It seems that some have made up their minds regardless of his actions or words and is the constant blantant disrespect necessary? Would it not be simply enough to just disagree with his words or his course of actions versus disrespecting a religion that billions of people practice?

[all that jazz]

30. Is it always like this here?

The Catholic Church has its problem, but I think the Pope coming here was a good thing. He's preaching a message of peace and we sure could use that right now. Maybe Bush will actually listen. Probably not...but the people who follow the Pope will surely listen.

[goodgd_yall]

35. Unfortunately, the people who follow the Pope

often don't listen when it comes to matters of war and peace. When it comes to "God and country," too often many Catholics listen more to the Gospel of nationalism than of Jesus.

[np33]

38. Who would you

be speaking about? Almost every Mass I have been to since the war in Iraq began has spoken of peace and I think there are many Catholics who subscribe to this message.

[goodgd_yall]

39. I know Catholics who support the Iraq War

It's one thing to talk about "peace" during a homily and during prayers and another to take that to heart. One can say those prayers and still believe the b.s. our "President" has spoken that has rationalized the invasion and the continued occupancy.

[np33]

41. But that doesn't

mean that every Catholic or even most Catholics should be painted with that brush. I know people of all races, religions, etc that support the war but I don't use that to make a sweeping statement of a particular group of people. Besides supporting a war has nothing to do with being Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc but moreso an individual's political beliefs which can at times be in direct contradiction with your religious beliefs.

[all that jazz]

42. Most of the Catholics I know

are Democrats, so I think you're wrong.

[goodgd_yall]

25. The Pope has made his view known publicly

It's not as though, in this modern world, and in America, his opinion has much weight anymore. Political leaders, also, tend to disregard the Pope's opinions thinking he doesn't understand practical things like war.

[balantz]

28. I don't mean to disrespect your beliefs.

I apologize if I have offended you.

I just haven't heard the Pope condemn the war. Perhaps he has said so publicly.

I haven't heard him doing it this trip.

[np33]

33. I appreciate your

comments and I don't have a problem with people criticizing the Pope. But I do have a problem with people just making blanket bigoted statements about Catholicism simply because the church's teachings aren't in keeping with their personal beliefs. This is not to excuse any of the negative actions that have taken place in the church but just be respectful and tolerant of the fact that there are many practicing Catholics who do subscribe to the Church's teachings.

[goodgd_yall]

34. I didn't take it that way

I just wanted to emphasize that he has spoken publicly about the war---and against it. It's not necessarily something that would be common knowledge though.

[balantz]

37. I'm glad to hear that he has spoken against the war.

[np33]

26. Should he

have placed Bush over his knee? Bush is still the leader of a sovereign nation and it would not bode well to visit a particular leader's country and tell him what he should or shouldn't be doing.

[Vidar]

32. I hate to agree with the bastard, but he's right on this one.

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[John Kerry VonErich]

43. One thing I would disagree with to an extent

“the false notion that might makes right”

The "might makes right" only works if used as a last resort. If it's a false notion, we would've been in German nazi control now or we would still have slavery. Some like the WH misuses that.