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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:30 PM
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Coca-Cola may outsource some Brandon jobs to India
Source: TampaBay.com

Wednesday, May 14, 2008

Six years after a high-profile opening that triggered millions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies for creating hundreds of jobs, the massive Coca-Cola accounting center in Brandon is considering outsourcing jobs to India.

The complex on Lake Kathy Drive east of Interstate 75 employs about 1,100 in fields such as accounting, payroll and check processing. As part of an efficiency push this month, Coke invited in two "business process outsourcing" companies to study offshoring an undisclosed number of jobs.

A decision on the types and number of jobs that could go away awaits a final report in June or July, said Norman Ross, a Coke spokesman based in South Florida. Outsourcing could also affect Coke's back-office operations in Dallas and Toronto, as well as those in Paris, Brussels and outside London.

"It could be potential outsourcing, consolidation or reorganization. But it's premature to say what we're going to do," Ross told the Times on Tuesday.



Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/article503815.ece



More US Jobs Enroute to India.....More Americans Soon to be Out of Work. I'm Sure That Those in Florida are Just Thrilled After Their Taxpayer Dollars were Used to Send Those Jobs to India.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:38 PM
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1. The U.S. citizens should demand that Coca-Cola refund...
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:43 PM by ChromeFoundry
all subsidized moneys they received six years ago. How can there not have been stricter stipulations placed around this?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:57 PM
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2. Think That's Bad....Read This...
Nielsen layoffs, tax breaks anger Oldsmar officials (TATA)

Published Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:39 PM

OLDSMAR — City Council members expressed outrage Tuesday over the Nielsen Co.'s plans to eliminate 110 positions at their Oldsmar operation after accepting government money to create jobs.

"To think they have the gall to take taxpayers' money and then lay people off!" said council member Suzanne Vale. "I am so upset."

"It's just incomprehensible to me," agreed council member Janice Miller.

They were responding to news that Nielsen is outsourcing work to India-based Tata Consultancy Services after receiving at least $3.1-million in state and local subsidies mainly to create jobs in Oldsmar.

Tata, one of the world's largest providers of consulting and outsourcing services, has brought in its own workers from India.


And Nielsen, formerly known as Nielsen Media Research, says they have plans to restructure further.

The topic was raised by City Council members at the end of their regular Tuesday meeting.

Some members urged their colleagues to stay calm. Mayor Jim Ronecker reminded the council that outsourcing is a national trend.

"We can't tell them how to run their business," he said.

"No, but we can call a thief a thief when they take the taxpayers' money," said council member Greg Rublee.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/article458509.ece
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:00 PM
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3. "No, but we can call a thief a thief ..."
"when they take the taxpayers' money," said council member Greg Rublee.

He hit the nail right on the head with that statement!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM
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12. Capital One pulled the same shit on Tampa a couple of years ago.
Edited on Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM by Dr.Phool
Jeb gave them millions, they took the money and outsourced everything but the car finance division to India.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:33 PM
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31. And then in December of 2007, they corrupted their Accounts Database...
Good thing I have no accounts with that group of incompetence.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:07 AM
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17. There are too many H-1B and L-1 visas issued.
Tata, one of the world's largest providers of consulting and outsourcing services, has brought in its own workers from India.


Tata can pay Indian level wages if the workers are here on L-1 visas. They have to pay American level wages if the workers are on H-1B visas, but they can get around that somewhat. For example, salaried Americans generally work a 40 hour week and might balk if required to work 60 hours for the same pay, whereas it could be a condition of employment for the Indian imported worker.

These legal aliens are much more of a threat to our economy than all of the illegal aliens.
Not only do they take jobs Americans DO want to do, they don't have student loans to repay and they are here in-our-face flaunting their status with the luxury cars and home ownership. Most try to get the green card so they can stay here and work. When they are through working, they take a lot more back to India than the illegal aliens could ever send home.

Last month the US lost 80,000 jobs and the month before that we lost 63,000 jobs and our congress wants to increase the number of H-1B work visas? Tata can't bring in foreign workers without visas. Just who is our Congress representing?

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:17 PM
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24. Agreed.
Congress surely isn't representing "We the People" anymore.

Guess Who's Getting the Most Work Visas
Indian outsourcers top the list of companies bringing foreign workers to the U.S. on the H-1B program


March 6, 2008, 5:00PM EST

The controversy over visas for high-skilled workers from abroad looks like it's about to get even hotter.

The program for what are known as H-1B visas was originally set up to allow companies in the U.S. to import the best and brightest in technology, engineering, and other fields when such workers are in short supply in America. But data just released by the federal government show that offshore outsourcing firms, particularly from India, dominate the list of companies awarded H-1B visas in 2007. Indian outsourcers accounted for nearly 80% of the visa petitions approved last year for the top 10 participants in the program. The new data are sure to fuel criticism of the visa program from detractors such as Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.). "These numbers should send a red flag to every lawmaker that the H-1B visa program is not working as it was intended," said Grassley in an e-mail.

REVOLVING DOOR?
Infosys Technologies (INFY) and Wipro (WIT), both based in Bangalore, top the list of visa beneficiaries in 2007, with 4,559 and 2,567 approved visa petitions, respectively, according to data from the U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services. Each visa allows the companies to bring one worker to the U.S., where they have substantial operations providing tech support and other services to corporations, complementing services provided from India. Overall, six of the top 10 visa recipients in 2007 are based in India; two others among the top 10, Cognizant Technology Solutions (CTSH) and UST Global, are headquartered in the U.S. but have most of their operations in India.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_11/b4075062465238.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:17 PM
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29. Can't tell them how to run their business??
No... but we can give them tax abatements and incentives?

We do tell businesses how to run their business!!
Labor laws!
Health laws!
Product laws!
Environmental law!
Tax laws!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:05 PM
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4. Add this to the long list n/t
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:18 PM
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5. and they keep telling us that edjucation is the
pathway to better jobs.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:26 PM
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25. Don't Believe the Hype.....
Duke Study: There Is No Shortage of U.S. Engineers

A new study argues that the offshoring of U.S. jobs is caused by cost savings and not a shortage of U.S. engineers or better education in China. However, the study warns that the United States is losing its global edge.


A commonly heard defense in the arguments that surround U.S. companies that offshore high-tech and engineering jobs is that the U.S. math and science education system is not producing a sufficient number of engineers to fill a corporations needs.

However, a new study from Duke University calls this argument bunk, stating that there is no shortage of engineers in the United States, and that offshoring is all about cost savings.

This report, entitled "Issues in Science and Technology" and published in the latest National Academy of Sciences magazine further explores the topic of engineering graduation rates of India, China and the United States, the subject of a 2005 Duke study.

In the report, concerns are raised that China is racing ahead of both the United States and India in its ability to perform basic research. It also asserts that the United States is risking losing its global edge by outsourcing critical R&D and India is falling behind by playing politics with education. Meanwhile, it considers China well-positioned for the future.

Dukes 2005 study corrected a long-heard myth about India and China graduating 12 times as many engineers as the United States, finding instead that the United States graduates a comparable number.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Careers/Study-There-Is-No-Shortage-of-US-Engineers/

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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:48 PM
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26. interesting article, but it supports increases in HB-1
visas which is simply insourcing rather than outsourcing but like outsourcing, provides pressure to reduce the returns to education.

In addition, it doesn't address the question of the percentage of the math and science graduates in the U.S. are foreign students to begin with.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:46 PM
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27. Hopefully, Something Will Come About From This:
Senators’ concern over H-1B visa

Dayanand Edappally, 06 April 2008, Sunday

THE UNITED States (US) senators – Richard Durbin and Charles Grassley – have expressed concern over the US government’s policy of issuing 65,000 H-1B visas every year to highly skilled foreigners. In their words, “The H-1B programme cannot be allowed to become a job-killer in America…causing American workers to be unfairly deprived of good high-skill jobs here at home.”

So, they are looking for ways to curb the issuance of visas to foreigners because in their opinion, there are highly-skilled American workers being left behind, searching for jobs that are being filled by H-1B visa holders. Durbin and Grassley want to enact real reform because “it’s time to close the loopholes that have allowed this to happen.”

These senators want to restructure these visa programmes, which are facilitating the outsourcing of American jobs. American workers’ interests need to be protected at all costs. This new policy, which has not yet been taken up for discussion by the senate, smacks of narrow nationalism. Through the World Trade Organisation (WTO), it was mainly the Americans who clamoured for the opening of national boundaries to trade and commerce, fallout of which is the new impetus to immigration.

Technically qualified and highly skilled workers wish to utilise their skills and find highly paying jobs in any corner of the world. The USA is still the El Dorado to most third world countries. Workers from these countries wish to find jobs in the US and Europe. But this resistance to their efforts at the government level is enough to shatter their dreams. The United Kingdom (UK) has been an equally resistant employer.

While the first world countries want to sell their agricultural and technological products in all markets, they do not welcome workers from other countries with open arms. They place obstacles of all sorts to their immigration plans. They only want globalisation in so far as it serves to fatten their pockets. They do not want people, however, highly qualified, to enter their borders to look for jobs. This is manifestly unfair.


http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=131889


Durbin wants info on use of visa programs

April 01, 2008
(Crain’s) — Motorola Inc., the University of Illinois at Chicago and Accenture are among 25 businesses and organizations targeted by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., to determine how they use the country’s H-1B and L-1 visa programs and whether Americans are losing out on jobs as a result.

Sens. Durbin and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, on Tuesday sent letters to the 25, which collectively used nearly 20,000 H-1B visas to hire foreign workers for U.S.-based jobs. The firms were identified through data released by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service.

Sens. Durbin and Grassley wrote in their letter that they are “concerned that these (visa) programs, as currently structured, are facilitating the outsourcing of American jobs.”

Tuesday was the first day H-1B visa applications were accepted for 2008. Demand for the visas, which will be allocated starting Oct. 1, has far outstripped the number available.

“I have no doubt that we’ll hear arguments all day as to why the cap on H-1B visas should be raised, but nobody should be fooled,” Mr. Grassley said in a statement. “The bottom line is that there are highly skilled American workers being left behind, searching for jobs that are being filled by H-1B visa holders.”


http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=28804&seenIt=1


Senator describes black market in H-1B visas
Charles Grassley releases letter to DHS outlining program abuses


March 10, 2008 (Computerworld) U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said yesterday that the White House isn't enforcing the H-1B program, and he cited a number of abuses to it in a letter released late Monday.

Among the practices Grassley pointed to in his letter is the "leasing" of H-1B workers by contractors that don't have work for their foreign hires, as well as a number of court cases that point to a market for buying and selling fraudulently obtained visas.

These practices, which in sum describe an underground economy in visas, were outlined in a strongly worded letter Monday to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking him to detail what that department is doing to enforce the program.

Grassley said the Bush Administration isn't enforcing the program.

"Everyday we're learning more and more, but it appears that most H-1B visas are going to foreign-based companies," said Grassley, in a statement. "U.S. businesses that need highly skilled workers are getting the short end of the stick."

In regard to the leasing of H-1B workers, Grassley, in his letter to Chertoff, charged that "hundreds" of foreign workers are "standing by, waiting for work" and are being offered for lease by their employers. The information about this practice came from a constituent in Iowa, not identified in the letter, who was being "bombarded" by these requests to lease H-1B workers, wrote Grassley.

"My constituent even said one company went so far to require him to sign a memorandum of understanding that helps the H-1B "factory firm" justify to the federal government that they have adequate business opportunity that requires additional visa holders," wrote Grassley. "It's a complete falsification of the market justification for additional H-1B workers."

Grassley's letter arrives in advance of Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates' testimony Wednesday before a U.S. House Committee. Gates is expected to argue for making it easier to hire skilled workers. All sides on this issue have been turning up the volume in advance of April 1, the first day the U.S. will begin receiving H-1B visa petitions for the 2009 federal fiscal year.


http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9067738

When some of our "elected officials" are getting involved....you KNOW there's a problem.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:40 PM
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34. It should be, but this offshoring pattern is showing the opposite of the claim.
Offshoring entry level jobs for grads to get internships or paid jobs in hasn't helped either.
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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 AM
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6. It's been happening all over the country for years. The fact that
our elected officials haven't gotten wise to it by now amazes me. But, no, they keep giving the taxpayers future away. Frankly, I think many officials get something in return and that's why they are so eager to fall for these scams.

Peace,

freefall
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:03 AM
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7. Ironic that Thomas Friedman cited an example of Indians drinking Coka-Cola to praise outsourcing
And now even freaking Coka-Cola jobs are being outsourced.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:53 AM
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8. This seems to be happening way too often. nt
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:25 AM
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9. The federally funded place I work
is moving towards outsourcing payroll and accounting, too. Now, you will get paid with a debit card (!) if you want to still receive something in your hand (some employees don't have bank accounts) - or sign up for direct deposit - then you don't get a stub anymore - you have to go online and print out your stub...which I will be doing on work paper, thanks very much.

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mitchleary Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:49 AM
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18. And your girl Hillary loves her some TATA consulting[NT]
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:06 AM
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20. Hillary is proud to be part of the "Friends of India Caucus" in the Senate.
Too bad for American workers... No friends for us.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:09 AM
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10. This surprises anyone? Coke has been one of the biggest corporate welfare queens on the planet.
nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:39 PM
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32. Not much of a celebrator regarding human rights either...
Nobody's perfect, but still...
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:13 AM
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11. This really should be illegal, or at least subject to heavy fines...
Shameless and disgusting.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM
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13. Americans subsidizing the outsourcing of their own jobs.
It doesn't get much worse than that.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:35 AM
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14. Nothing
Surprises me anymore. What does surprise me is that Americans accept these practices.
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Patriot Abroad Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:41 AM
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15. Send them on over!
We love those American jobs over here. Could you not do something about your dollar though? We're going to have to start outsourcing back your way if it drops much lower . . .
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:54 AM
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23. Nah....Ireland is Too Costly....
However, Kenya is cheap....and CEO's want the cheapest bidder!

Kenya: State Plans to Build Technology Park

12 May 2008

"Kenya's outsourcing industry has in the recent years attracted investors due to many skilled labourers in the market who are cheaper compared to other African outsourcing destinations such as South Africa and India."

http://allafrica.com/stories/200805121562.html

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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:55 AM
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16. Where I work, a lot of the accounting and procurement work
was outsourced to India and it is just so much fun. Naturally, the office in Chennai doesn't work the same hours as we do in Washington DC, so all communication is by e-mail and takes days to resolve anything. Occasionally you can get someone on the phone very early in the morning our time, but they are usually low-level employees who don't speak enough English to understand your question and inevitably give you the wrong answer. All the accounts payable payments are processed from India and it takes forever to get something paid. Our vendors complain that they are waiting 50 and 60 days for payments that they used to get in 12 to 15. And things get missed. Last year I was in charge of our department's retreat. We are a 501(c) tax exempt organization and I have copies of our exemption certificates for Maryland, DC and Virginia. Well, it turned out that the city we were having the retreat in had a hotel room tax for which we could get an exemption, but we had to apply. I called the tax office to get the form and was told "Oh we sent that certificate to your accounting department in Chennai, India. They know to apply for it." Yes, apparently our accounting department does know to apply for the certificate, but they don't know enough to send the certificate on to the department so the department can actually use it. The city tax office kindly sent me a copy which I forwarded to the hotel our retreat was going to be at and saved the department some money. It is very frustrating. We highlighted this problem to the powers that be, but they weren't particularly interested.
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pegleg Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:52 AM
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19. The Dems are just as much to blame as the Republicans.
Plus they favor bringing in people from outside to take what jobs are left. How much sense does that make?
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:08 AM
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21. Yep, why do you think the Chamber of Commerce wrote the "immigration reform" bill?
Certainly couldn't be to suppress wages by flooding the labor market with cheap "guest workers"? No way! :sarcasm:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:46 AM
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22. We don't need national health insurance -- just outsource and keep things privatized
The biggest cost of a US workforce is health insurance. Instead of Coke and other large corporations lobbying for national health insurance, they've lobbied for tax breaks to offshore the jobs. Great, huh?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:51 PM
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28. Why? Is high-fructose corn-syrup cheaper there? (nt)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:29 PM
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30. Funny.....Just Caught That....
It probably is.
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