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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:09 AM
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Chávez warns Colombia not to allow U.S. base
Source: International Herald Tribune/Associated Press

Chávez warns Colombia not to allow U.S. base

The Associated Press
Thursday, May 15, 2008
CARACAS: President Hugo Chávez warned Colombia not to allow a U.S. military base on its border with Venezuela, saying he would regard such an act as "aggression."

Chávez said Wednesday that he would not let the U.S.-backed Colombian government establish an American military base in La Guajira, a region spanning northeastern Colombia and northwestern Venezuela.

The Venezuelan leader said that if Colombia allowed the base, his government would revive an old territorial conflict and claim the entire region.

"We will not allow the Colombian government to give La Guajira to the empire," Chávez said, referring to the United States in a speech before an auditorium of uniformed soldiers. "Colombia is launching a threat of war at us."

Chávez said Washington's top diplomat in Bogotá, Ambassador William Brownfield, recently suggested that a U.S. military base in Ecuador could be moved to La Guajira.



Read more: http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=12911343
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:20 AM
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1. That is just really bad news.
It's exactly the sort of opening Cheney and Friends have been looking for. They need a pretext for toppling Chavez and are having trouble finding excuses.

Columbia has a right to do whatever the hell it wants with it's own territory though, and if they allow an American base on the border with Venezuela, Venezuela really has no right to intercede militarily to prevent it. Doing so would give the US grounds to invade. Doing nothing would ensure constant harassment and border incursions by the US military, who would also in all likelihood start training right-wing Venezuelan nationals to terrorize the Venezuelan populace the way the paramilitaries in Columbia did to their nationals.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:30 AM
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2. It would be interesting to see the American response
to a Chinese 'drug interdiction base' in Canada or Mexico next to the border of the United States, Even though they have never attempted to overthrow our government.

Seeing the situation through Latin American eyes would perhaps lend some insight into Chavez's somewhat bombastic language.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:31 AM
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3. Context surely matters. n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:55 AM
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7. China runs the Panama Canal..
the one we built. The own us ports and are quite influential in us policy. Far more than latin america is.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:51 AM
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13. The Panama Canal
is not a base next to the U.S. border, nor does China have a history of interventionist policies including the organization of proxy wars in North America, nor has China supported an attempted coup d'etat within the U.S.

I believe your analogy is quite flawed.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:53 AM
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14. The panama canal is far more influential
in trade than Venezuela. The us has not attempted a coup in Venezuela, at least none that is known. In the past when we did those things the old leader tended to end up shot in the head.

More yap by hugo, no surprise there.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:05 PM
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16. China, no doubt,
Edited on Thu May-15-08 12:17 PM by ronnie624
benefits by keeping the canal running smoothly.

You have yet to make any sense whatsoever.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:37 PM
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19. China does have a history of proxy wars
Edited on Thu May-15-08 12:38 PM by wmbrew0206
Korean and Vietnam to name a few.

Their hands are no cleaner than ours.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:49 PM
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21. Perhaps you should examine a map of Asia.
Korea and Vietnam are not in North America.
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Evecie Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:45 PM
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34. I thought the lease on the Panama canal expired
Wasn't it returned to the Panamanians?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Yes..Not very evil of us..(nt)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:18 AM
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10. What army would we use for that? We are somewhat preoccupied with a two-front
war already.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:35 AM
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12. Only 10% of the military strength
is in the ME.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:08 PM
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31. only ten percent of our military strength?
can I have some of what you are smoking?
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:54 PM
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35. Up to 13.8% now
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:55 PM by michreject
Troops in Iraq........164,891

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

Troops in Afghanistan.........34,000

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/03/asia/03military.php

For a total of 198,000 troops deployed into the two theatres of operations.

.................................................................

TOTAL AVAILABLE MILITARY PERSONNEL
(Active, Reserves and Units Ready for Mobilization)

1,426,026

http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_act_mil_personnel.asp

Now don't you feel like a genius.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:00 PM
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36. Interesting. Thanks for providing the stats.
We DO get a few colossal geniuses who stop by here to give us the benefit of their astonishing brilliance.

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:55 PM
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37. you think those are combat ready soldiers?
just because someone is 'active duty' doesn't mean they are combat troops. In fact, only a small proportion of the military is combat tools. Who do you think does it? Hr? Medicine? Maintenance? R+d? Works in the world's largest office building? (that's the pentagon, by the way) supply officers? MPs? Pr? Most people who work in the armed services never carry a rifle. For every front line soldier or marine, there are 18 support personel. For every fighter or bomber the air force flies, there are fifty people supporting that pilot. The us military, in toto, has about 150,000 combat troops, that's it. The rest are support personell. Most air force personel will never fly a plane. Most soldiers never pick up a gun except in training. We have two army brigades able to fight not in either Iraq or Afghanistan. One is in training, one is resting. That's twenty thousand people, either training for Iraq or resting from Iraq. That's it.

But yes, I'm the genius. You think we're about to invade Venezuela with secretaries, mechanics and beaurocrats. Maybe a few scientists and the odd transport pilot. Have fun with that.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:20 PM
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39. Everybody is combat ready a in a war zone
And I mean everybody. Chef, cook and bottle washer. Give the clerk a rifle, send them into the bush. Only thing they need to do is follow orders from the squad leader. They're not there to analyze the situation. They're told to shoot, they shoot. They're told to take ten, they expect five and get two.

Every swinging dick in the military can be combat efficient within a short amount of time.

I'm aware of the ratio of combatants and support personnel. The total number of troops deployed to the ME included support personnel.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. Give a clerk a rifle, send them into a war zone . . .
Result. One dead clerk along with his fellow soldiers that depend on him. Picture Upham in Iraq.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:22 PM
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40. that's not true anymore....
"Columbia has a right to do whatever the hell it wants with it's own territory though,..."

....haven't you been noticing how we and our friends having been playing war lately?....in a might-makes-right preemptive strike world, sovereignty is so old-school....
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:48 AM
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4. How dare the dictator Chavez stand up to His Imperial Majesty
Looks like BushCo is once again deliberately trying to provoke someone. First it was his desire to expand NATO to Russia's borders, and now this. Will nobody ease us of this asshole? Will Congress ever do their job and impeach the bastard already?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:54 AM
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5. Really, I guess everything is all fixed at home
so he has nothing to do but manage Colombia.

He is quite full of shit and has no method available to backup that statement.

Lets see what he does when his bluff is called.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:56 PM
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29. no method available?
Edited on Thu May-15-08 05:56 PM by happydreams
Neither did Ho Chi Minh, or Fidel Castro. :eyes:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:00 PM
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30. They take AMEX in the hilton
in ho chi minh city now. Many high quality shirts are made there now. Millions of lives and they have polo shirts and shrimp exports maintaining the economy. Not quite a Stalinist dream.

Now hugo has no united population and no one invading the country he is supposed to be running. You comparison does not work.

Food shortages even with that fat chunk of cash coming in from oil dollars in Caracas, a massive city. Now his mom and brothers are all set up, other poor people not so much.



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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:02 PM
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42. You've mastered the art of missing the point...
Edited on Fri May-16-08 03:03 PM by happydreams
Ho Chi Minh kicked the US's ass! That is my point. Whatever kind of an economy Vietnam has it is one that THEY created.

PS. Stalin was a capitalist in so far as he was a puppet of Wall Street, along with the Bolsheviks, so the dream isn't as far-fetched as you might think.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:54 AM
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6. More information on the area being considered, from an earlier report:
COLOMBIA VS. VENEZUELA: Big Oil's Secret War?
by Bill Weinberg

"Oilmen are like cats; you can never tell from the sound of them whether they are fighting or making love."

--Calouste Gulbenkian

The famous Armenian entrepreneur spoke these words when reflecting on the post-World War I carve-up of oil rights in Iraq and the Persian Gulf at the 1928 summit of top world oil companies and Western governments at Ostend, Belgium. Now, with the world's eyes on Iraq, a similar carve-up may be underway in South America's Orinoco Basin and La Guajira, which together hold the planet's greatest proven reserves outside the Persian Gulf. These adjacent oil-rich regions are both dissected by the border between Colombia, Washington's closest ally on the hemisphere's southern continent, and Venezuela--ruled by a left-populist government sharply at odds with the White House.

One man who would do well to heed Gulbenkian's warning is Venezuela's charismatic President Hugo Chavez, who has just entered an agreement with ChevronTexaco for a natural gas project that will span the Colombian border. Not only may the project cost Chavez the support of the indigenous peoples who inhabit the region, but Colombian trade unionists warn that U.S. oil companies operating in the Orinoco are deeply complicit in a plan by Washington and Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe to prepare aggression against Venezuela across this militarized border.

Oil Field Becomes Military Base

The Colombian department of Arauca, heartland of that country's oil industry, is one the most violent. It lies just across the Rio Arauca, an Orinoco tributary, from Venezuela's own Orinoco Basin oil heartland of Apure-Barinas states.

The latest in a wave of recent massacres in Arauca came on March 6, when a group of local peasants were stopped at a roadblock set up by the 10th Front of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) near Cososito village in Tame municipality. An army detachment arrived in an armored vehicle, and immediately opened fire, killing three civilians on the spot. Among the dead was a member of the local Guahibo indigenous people; and a child of six was among the injured, according to an account by the Bogota human rights group Humanidad Vigente. (A month later, the 10th Front boasted in a press release it had wiped out a detachment of 17 government troops in ambush near Tame in retaliation for the attack.)

The main oil field in Arauca is at Cano-Limon, run by California-based Occidental Petroleum in a joint partnership with the Colombia state company Ecopetrol. Many of the 800 U.S. military advisors in Colombia are assigned to Arauca, and since last year they have been overseeing a new Colombian army unit specially created to police Cano-Limon against guerilla attack. This project, which Occidental lobbied for heavily, marks a departure from the erstwhile U.S. policy of only assisting ostensible narcotics enforcement operations in Colombia. As the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA) noted in a report last October: "In early 2003, US personnel embarked on their first major non-drug initiative, a plan to help Colombia's army protect an oil pipeline and re-take territory in the conflictive department of Arauca, near the Venezuelan border." Over this same period, Humanidad Vigente has reported a huge upsurge in paramilitary activity in Arauca.

Now, a leader of Colombia's oil workers union claims that the U.S. military is actually transforming Cano-Limon into a base intended for launching attacks against Venezuela. Oscar Canas Fajardo, advisor to Colombia's Central Workers Union, or CUT, speaking with Venezuelan journalist Alfredo Carquez Saavedra of Quantum magazine in November, said: "There is a military build-up going on in Cano-Limon with the excuse of protecting the oil pipelines against constant sabotage explosions... They are transforming the Cano-Limon facilities into a small military fort." He claims U.S. advisors and military surveillance planes are now based at the oil field. Noting proximity to the border and recent reports of Colombian paramilitary attacks on the Venezuelan side of the line, he asks rhetorically, "Who is to guarantee that all this not being used against Venezuela?

More:
http://ww4report.com/colombiavenezuelabigoil



La Guajira, marked

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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:57 AM
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8. Isn't this right next to the large Venezuelan oil fields around Maracaibo
that produce around 3 million barrels a day? Manta in Ecuador by comparison is about a 1000 miles away from Venezuela.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:16 AM
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9. Manta military base to Colombo-Venezuelan border?
~snip~
Manta military base to Colombo-Venezuelan border?

Upon assuming the Presidency of Ecuador in 2007, Rafael Correa stated that the US military base at Manta would not have its lease extended when it expires in 2009. The Manta base was established in Ecuador in 1998 under then president Jamil Mahuad.

The Manta base has been the subject of some controversy in recent weeks when suspicions pointed to the fact that the attack on the FARC camp on Ecuadorian territory was actually launched from Manta using US “smart bombs”. The attack was in collusion with the Colombian military whose Commander-in-Chief is President Álvaro Uribe.

Now we have the declarations of ex US Ambassador to Caracas, William Brownfield to consider. He was transferred to Bogotá from Caracas after failing to rally the Venezuelan opposition. Upon being asked about the Manta military base in Ecuador, which will be uprooted next year, Brownfield indicated that the base could be relocated on Colombian territory in La Guajira – on the Colombo-Venezuelan border. (See map below with La Guajira outlined in red)



Former US Ambassador to Caracas, now transferred to Bogota
indicated that the US AFB at Manta could be relocated at
La Guajira, on the Colombo-Venezuelan Border

Note that La Guajira borders with Venezuela’s resource-rich Zulia state where the old oligarchs have had a long history of trying to secede from Venezuela itself. After huge oil reserves were discovered in Zulia early last century, the US has always had a strong interest in this region of Venezuela. This goes all the way back to just before WWI.

Geopolitical chess board

At this point let’s review the geopolitical chessboard. Here are the pieces:
  • US IV Fleet in the Caribbean after July 1st

  • Secessionist rumblings in Zulia. State governor Manuel Rosales is a fierce opponent of President Chavez. He ran against President Chávez in the last presidential elections in 2006 and lost by a wide margin.

  • Current hostile relationship between Colombia and Venezuela. President Álvaro Uribe of Colombia is Washington’s main ally in the region.

  • US base to be established in La Guajira if we are to believe Ambassador Brownfield.

  • The “laptops” will officially spill their secrets on Thursday May 15th and will no doubt be used to accuse Venezuela of “sponsoring terrorism”.

  • Vast oil reserves and infrastructure to exploit them already set up in Zulia, which borders Colombia.

  • World energy crisis looming with oil currently over US$120/barrel

  • The US wants to destroy or at least weaken the Bolivarian Revolution as it spreads throughout the region, undermining US traditional influence in the "back yard".

  • The main objective is to oust President Chavez.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_26706.shtml


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:33 AM
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11. Colombia Foreign Min Rejects Venezuela Warning On Border Base
Colombia Foreign Min Rejects Venezuela Warning On Border Base
( 05-15-081200ET)

CARACAS (AP)--Colombia's Foreign Minister Fernando Araujo rejected Thursday a warning from Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez against allowing the U.S. to build a military base near the Venezuelan border.

"I don't know the origin of the information that President Chavez received saying that a military base was going to be established in La Guajira," Araujo said.

Washington's ambassador to Colombia, William Brownfield, said in a recent newspaper interview that Colombia might be considered as the site for a U.S. drug-monitoring base if a base in Manta, Ecuador is closed, but he did not mention the coastal La Guajira region - on the border with Venezuela.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa has said he'll close the Manta base next year, which prompted media speculation as to where the U.S. might relocate its operation.

More:
http://www.international.na">~~~~ link ~~~~
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:54 AM
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15. Uribe is Playing With Fire If He Installs an American Base on The Border: Chavez (El Espectador,Co.)
El Espectador, Colombia

Uribe is Playing With Fire If He Installs an American Base on The Border: Chavez
Translated By Holly Fernández

14 May 2008
Colombia - El Espectador - Original Article (Spanish)

The Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, warned this Wednesday that his colleague from Colombia, Alvaro Uribe, would be “playing with fire” if he cedes that the United States military base that is in Ecuador be transferred to the border of his country.

“I denounce the Colombian government of rendering a perverse game to destabilize South America, not only towards Venezuela, Ecuador, and other countries as well. This is very dangerous; this is a game with fire. I believe that the government of Colombia is playing with fire”, declared Chavez.

The U.S. Ambassador in Bogota, William Brownfield, said two days ago that “without a doubt there is some” possibility of transferring to Colombia the military base that his country operates in the coastal population of Ecuadorian Manta.

Brownfield did not indicate the place in Colombia that can pick up the American military installation, but he lowered the possibility that it would be in La Guajira, the northwestern border with Venezuela.

More:
http://watchingamerica.com/News/1023/uribe-is-playing-with-fire-if-he-installs-an-american-base-on-the-border-chavez/
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:18 PM
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17. This Is Silliness On Our Part
How much more over-extended can the US military get?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:19 PM
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28. This would be an easy one
Colombia has a very capable and experienced army - toss in US planes and cruise missile and Hugo would get his ass handed to him.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:19 PM
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18. This article alleges that Bush/U.S. military maneuvers in South America are for drug interdiction.
"Surveillance flights the United States runs from Manta represent 60 percent of drug interdiction in the eastern Pacific."-IHT

They state this as fact. They don't say according to whom. Where does this "fact" come from, except from the shit-faced liars of the Bush Junta? I challenge this fact. I think that Bush/U.S. military activity in South America has two aims: 1) to make war on the Andes democracies, topple them and restore global corporate predator control of the oil (now being wasted on benefits to the poor, instead of lining the pockets of Bush/Cheney's pals), and 2) to favor the big drug lords and lucrative drugs/weapons traffic that everybody knows is Uribe's (Bush tool's) gravy train (and probably a Bush gravy train, or one of them).

I do not have the resources to prove these allegations. They are based on my knowledge of Bushites, of known Bushite activity in South America, and of the political/economic situations in these countries. What should be a bottom line requirement of JOURNALISM is to treat their claims with skepticism, and require and provide SOURCES for the "facts" that they allege. For GOOD journalism, they should be fervently investigating these "facts," given the PUTRID SMELL coming out of Colombia.

To repeat Bushite "facts" as if they were God's truth--with no attribution, no questions, and no investigation is more than bad journalism. It is collusion.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:46 PM
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20. I believe the '60 %' figure comes from the Bush U.S. State Department,
Edited on Thu May-15-08 12:57 PM by ronnie624
a link to which was posted by a resident reactionary who frequents the threads on Latin America.


On edit, Here it is:

<http://ecuador.usembassy.gov/topics_of_interest/manta-fol.html>
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:24 PM
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22. The article should say so--if its intention is journalism.
"According to U.S. State Department figures...", or

"According to so-and-so in the U.S. State Department...", or

to be even more accurate...

"According the people who brought you aluminum tubes and 'Curveball'..."

Thanks for the info, but I presumed they got it from somewhere in this cauldron of corruption they call the "U.S. government." I didn't think they were just making it up out of whole cloth (--although the Bushites do, as have some corporate news monopolies). My point is their unquestioning conveyance of this bullshit as accepted "fact." We--and they--have no more way of knowing what is fact, and what is not, from Bushites, than we have of knowing who has actually been elected by non-transparent, "trade secret" code, Bushite-corporate-controlled voting machines. To be journalists, they should at least question this highly questionable, non-transparent, secretive regime on the so-called "facts" that it produces. And they shouldn't be presenting ANY fact, from these known liars, as God-given.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:09 PM
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32. Having spent a lot of time on anti-drug ops
it sounds about right to me. This has been going on for decades - it is nothing new.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:41 PM
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23. The Bushite war for oil and for slave labor in South America has two main fronts--
--Venezuela and Bolivia--and both involve the attempt to split off provinces that are rich in oil and have fascist cabals conspiring with the Bushites against the national government (in the case of Bolivia, a white separatist cabal--extremely racist--with connections to South Africa's past apartheid regime--as Judi Lynn has pointed out). The Bushites cannot win or steal elections in most South American countries. These countries and their peoples have done too much good work on creating democratic institutions such as transparent vote counting. The Bushites have tried, literally, the whole bag of CIA tricks, in Venezuela--from support for a fascist military coup, to promoting a ruinous oil professionals' strike, to a USAID-NED funded and organized recall election, to assassination plots hatched within the Colombian military, to "suitcases full of cash" CIA-style capers out of Miami (trying to sully Chavez, and break up the Venezuela-Argentina alliance), and on and on and on. Now they are calling him a "terrorist," for godssakes, because he accepted the invitation of their tool, Uribe, to contact the FARC and negotiate hostage releases!

Nothing has worked. So they have to get the oil--and try to destabilize and destroy these democracies--by other means: 1. Trying to split off the oil rich provinces in Venezuela and Bolivia, and trying to provoke these democracies and draw them into a war (as they just did to Ecuador and Venezuela, once again using their tool, Uribe), or, 2. Conducting a war of attrition, harrying their borders, killing people, driving peasant farmers into refugee status with pesticide spraying, and continued collusion with rightwing cabals and death squads, to create instability, to drain attention and resources from social benefits, and frighten and bludgeon and starve people into submission.

It is my suspicion that Donald Rumsfeld is the architect of this war--Oil War II: South America.* It has his M.O. It is profoundly anti-democratic and treacherous. The first paragraph of his Washington Post op-ed, six months ago (simultaneous with his resignation as Sec of Oil War I), is treachery itself, where he states that Chavez's help in FARC hostage releases is "not welcome in Colombia." It had been welcome just days before. This was the very weekend scheduled for the release of the first two hostages. And what happened next was that Uribe's forces BOMBED the location of the first two hostages, as they were in route to their freedom in Caracas, driving them back into the jungle on a 20 mile hike, back into captivity. I think Rumsfeld was ORCHESTRATING this foul plot to hand Chavez a diplomatic disaster, with dead hostages. And I think it was rehearsed by Blackwater and Colombian paramilitaries about six months before (when a mysterious group of shooters tracked a FARC camp where hostages were present, attacked them and killed all the hostages--with the Colombian military then claiming that the hostages died in a "crossfire" situation, in a shootout between FARC and an "unknown" paramilitary group. FARC said that this unknown group targeted the hostages).

Treachery = Donald Rumsfeld.

*"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

His hit piece on "tyrant" Chavez is mostly about how the Colombian "free trade" deal is important for economic warfare against Venezuela. But in the course of it, he not only reveals his interest in the hostage release negotiations, he also urges that the U.S. take "swift action" in support of "friends and allies" in South America. "Swift action" can only mean military action. And the Bushites have no "friends and allies" in South America, except for the fascists, death squadders and big-time drug traffickers running Colombia, and the fascist cabals within democratic countries plotting coups. (There is also Peru, currently run by corrupt "free traders"--who will likely be evicted by the left in the next election cycle. The corrupt "free traders" need to be careful about cooperating on Oil War II.)

Which brings me to Bolivia and Paraguay--a rather different strategic situation than Colombia vs. Venezuela/Ecuador. The Bolivian white separatist movement was the situation most ripe for "swift action" by the U.S. in support of fascist cabals planning coups, at the time that Rumsfeld published his op-ed. The Bushites have been stoking these racists for some time--with funding, organization, strategy and probably arms. The white separatists in the main secessionist province, Santa Cruz, just held an illegal referendum--a vote that they entirely controlled (reputable international election observers would have nothing to do with them), basically declaring "independence" from the central government of Evo Morales (the first indigenous president of Bolivia, a largely indigenous country). Santa Cruz contains most of Bolivia's gas and oil reserves. I think what Rumsfeld had in mind was these white separatists requesting U.S. support for their "independence" (after the referendum), and ferrying U.S. troops to their "defense," in land-locked Bolivia, from the big U.S. airstrip in Paraguay (also landlocked). The rightwing government of Paraguay--in power for 60 years, and closely associated with a prior heinous dictatorship--also very corrupt--had been tolerating U.S. military on the ground exercises in Paraguay, with "war on drugs" cover. They would likely have made no objection to Paraguay being used in a plot against Bolivia. The gas/oil-rich eastern provinces of Bolivia are adjacent to Paraguay. The rich landowner elite could benefit from the creation of a resource-rich fascist enclave comprised of eastern Bolivia and parts or all of Paraguay.

However, just a few weeks ago, their 60 years of rightwing rule came to an abrupt end with the election of leftist Fernando Lugo (known as "the bishop of the poor"), who is not only sympathetic with the social justice goals of countries like Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, but also he opposes U.S. military activity in Paraguay and the U.S. air base. He will not likely tolerate use of Paraguay in Bushite attacks on his neighbor government--and will certainly not be happy having fascist mini-state on his border. Further, the OAS (now dominated by leftists) and most other S/A and L/A countries oppose splitting up Bolivia.

So, it's back to the drawing board for the ever-murderous Rumsfeld and his global corporate predator employers. The white separatists in Bolivia will continue to cause trouble (war of attrition), while they proceed with creating a war between Colombia and Venezuela/Ecuador--a war that has actually already begun (first shots fired were ten 500 lb. U.S. "smart bombs" on March 1, destroying the camp, just inside Ecuador's border, of the chief FARC hostage negotiator, Raul Reyes, killing him and 24 others, including at least one Ecuadoran citizen--on the eve of the release of FARC hostage Ingrid Betancourt, negotiated by the presidents of Ecuador, Venezuela, France and probably Argentina). The Bushites had to stop the momentum toward a peaceful settlement of Colombia's 40+ year civil war. They violated Ecuador's sovereignty. Both Ecuador and Venezuela were obliged to reinforce their borders with military troops. The OAS (Bush Junta excepting) and the Rio Group condemned Colombia's act. No further shots have been fired. Chavez and Correa wisely backed off. They don't want war. They want PEACE. But for Bushite support (and billions of our tax dollars), Colombia is very isolated, and run by a psycho (as Rafael Correa called him), whose crimes are mounting up, as Colombia's courageous prosecutors pursue investigations of him and his murderous regime.

How will all this end? I dunno, for sure. One thing is certain, WAR PROFITEERS are hugely benefiting. That may be Rumsfeld's chief object--even before stealing the oil. South America is pretty solidly on its own path--toward self-determination, regional cooperation and social justice. Their development of their democratic institutions has been quite an awesome thing to behold. There is great strength in democracy. It means that people have something worthwhile to fight for--and, more than this, something worthwhile that they have created in common cause with most of their neighbors. Unlike Iraq, which is a viper's nest of tribal/religious warfare--where no one seems to be fighting for the right of ALL to live in peace and have a say in their government--the South Americans--except for the small, rich, fascist minority--have a positive goal for EVERYBODY. The poor want justice and fairness, and have gone about achieving them in a peaceful and methodical way that is fair to ALL, even to the rightwingers and fascists ever plotting to restore minority rule. There has been NO repression by the left of the right--absolutely none. The leftist governments have bent over backwards to be fair. Further, the path they are on is the best path possible for everybody--education and other bootstrapping of the vast poor majority, development of local infrastructure and self-sufficiency, many cooperative infrastructure and financial projects, and, on the horizon, a South American Common Market. And so, the vast majority of South Americans have something they can be very proud of, and something they will all defend. Brazil recently proposed creation of a South American defense force. It is against the Bushites' evil plotting that such a thing is probably necessary, and is now on many South Americans' minds.

Upshot: There may be more Bushite-instigated trouble and grief in the coming months--and they surely want Chavez's head on a pike as their parting shot at democracy everywhere--and also, they may well continue their war on South America after Bush/Cheney leave the White House (if they do--that is still an open question and nightmare). Rumsfeld has a lot of money and resources stolen from us with which to continue harrying these countries. But without "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America--that is, U.S. military intervention--he cannot seize the continent; he can only bother it, with little wars and instabilities that collective action by the South Americans can put to a stop. If we manage to elect Barack Obama--whom I am convinced will not go along with this crap--the main threat of war on South America will be removed, although U.S. economic exploitation and manipulations may not be over. Obama appears to be committed to peace and cooperation--and I would think above all with South America, a strongly democratic region. But he will nevertheless be president of the U.S., which is run by global corporate predators and war profiteers, and will continue to be for some time. Our political establishment's answer to economic trouble has always been to exploit others. I don't see that changing any time soon, even if we restore decent government here.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:55 PM
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24. It's becoming clear -
the U.S. is waging a Proxy war with Venezuela. And the venue is Colombia. I'm not sure of how much Chavez can do in this situation.

Ambassador BrownDump
What's the story on the creep? The last I heard, he was the ambassador of Venezuela. Maybe Chavez ousted him? (about time) And now he's in Bogota?

Thax Judi Lynn for keeping us updated.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:40 PM
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26. You're so right. The guy used to be in Caracas, where he wore out his welcome.
He opted to show up at a Little League baseball game, and start handing out baseball items, like little baseballs, etc. to the poor Venezuelan children who needed to know that Uncle George Bush loved them, when some spectators decided to run his ass off, and chased him off, grabbing produce and eggs from a local grocery.

They leaped upon their motorcycles and buzzed along after his limousine, lobbing their own gifts at the guy. He had one of his "people" take photos from his back windows to comemmorate the occassion:





"You haven't heard the last of William Brownfield!"


So suddenly he showed up in Colombia, Bush's puppet country. Amazing, isn't it?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:51 PM
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27. Thanks, that's the one.
(how could anyone forget this guy?)

I remember only too well the incident(s) with Brown Pile and his rabble-rousing stunts a while back.

Suspicion
If you look at his face, it's truly sinister. There have also been more than just a few hints about Brown Flush and his involvement with younger boys. It seems that he's been involved in baseball games, kids here and there. It could just be a suspicion, but I would not be surprised if it surfaces that this creep has a history with boys....don't know.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:30 PM
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25. I wouldn't allow
any U.S. bases in another Country if it were my Country. Who can trust US lol!

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:27 PM
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41. Chavez disdains previous administrations' policies.
But in some respects, he's like them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/world/americas/12venez.html?scp=1&sq=venezuela+guyana&st=nyt
Venezuela claims 2/3 of Guyana. And is passive-aggressive about it.

"Guyana and Venezuela agreed on Tuesday to establish ways to prevent Venezuelan military activities in Guyanese territory, after reports that Venezuelan soldiers had entered Guyana in November and destroyed two gold-mining dredges.... The move is intended to relieve new tension between the countries. President Hugo Chávez’s government had previously sought to smooth over a long-simmering territorial dispute with shipments of subsidized oil to Guyana. Venezuela still claims about two-thirds of Guyana’s territory, in the gold- and timber-rich Essequibo region...." (Dec. 2007)

The Venezuelan leader said that if Colombia allowed the base, his government would revive an old territorial conflict and claim the entire region.
Now, this is an old conflict. There's a newer one from the 1950s--http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEFDA103CF93BA1575BC0A961948260&scp=7&sq=guajira+venezuela&st=nyt --that appears to be a different critter, extending only to territorial claims over water.

"A near-clash of naval vessels in disputed territorial waters in the Gulf of Venezuela earlier this month has provoked a series of angry exchanges between Colombia and Venezuela.... Fears of an armed confrontation have eased as both countries have lifted military alerts. But an intense war of words continues, fed by strong nationalist feelings in the two nations over the 33-year-old territorial dispute...." (8/1987)

Chavez may be talking about some mostly submerged islands, but that wouldn't affect the territory that he's saying the US said it might use as a military base. For that, you need land that's pretty much dry, or at least not covered by sea. It sounds like he's talking about a very old territorial dispute:

"Under an 1842 boundary agreement known as the Pombo-Romero Treaty, Venezuela had ceded its claim to the Guajira Peninsula. Conflicting boundary claims between the two nations remained, however, and the issue became more complex. In 1891 King Alfonso XII of Spain, who had been asked to arbitrate, awarded some portions of the disputed territory to Colombia and others to Venezuela. The Spanish arbitration did not, however, delineate the actual boundaries along the entirety of the shared frontier. The 1941 Treaty on Border Demarcation and Navigation of Common Rivers (also known as the Santos-López Contreras Treaty) presumably settled the dispute by delineating with geographic precision the boundaries along the length of the land border. As a result, most of the Guajira Peninsula remained under Colombian control, but uncertainty continued regarding the extension of the maritime boundary into the gulf." http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3109.html


Eh. Another uniter.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:38 AM
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43. US base plans escalate Colombia -Venezuela border tensions
US base plans escalate Colombia -Venezuela border tensions
Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 01:38.

Colombia's Defense Ministry assured that the US air base now housed at Manta, Ecuador, would not be relocated to the Colombian Caribbean coastal zone of La Guajira—hours after Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez said Bogotá was "playing with fire," and that his country could revive claims to sovereignty over La Guajira if the plan went ahead.

Speaking to a meeting of police commanders in Bogotá May 15, Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos said this was his response "to the people who are trying to stir up a storm in a glass of water... I would say to those who are circulating this information, that they should inform themselves better, because it is not going to happen. I repeat, bases in Colombia is not going to happen."

Chávez said earlier that day: "This is a thing that we cannot accept. This, for example, is an explosive thing, because then we can say: When did the Venezuelan Guajira arrive {in Colombian hands}? All La Guajira was Venezuela. We never ceded this territory. This land was taken from us... Now, what does Colombia want? That we return to discussing this?"

"I accuse the government of Colombia of playing a perverse game to destabilize South America, not only Venezuela, but Ecuador and still other countries. This is very dangerous."

The US ambassador in Bogotá, William Brownfield, said April 11 that he had opened discussion with Colombia on the possibility of relocating the base there. No site has yet been named. (El Tiempo, Bogotá, May 15)

http://ww4report.com/node/5514

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