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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:39 AM
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US 'stuck' with Guantanamo prison (says Gates)
Source: BBC

Mr Gates said the US wanted to send up to 70 prisoners home but countries would either not take them or could not be trusted to.

Mr Gates told a US Senate hearing: "The brutally frank answer is that we're stuck. We have a serious 'not in my backyard' problem.

"Either their home government won't accept them or we're concerned that the home government will let them loose once we return them home," he said.

Vincent Warren, executive director of the Centre for Constitutional Rights, told Reuters news agency: "The secretary's comments really are astounding in light of the money, resources and personnel of the department of defence."

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7411862.stm



We have hamstrung ourselves by breaking international law. We cannot go forward, we cannot go back.

Heckuvajob guys. . .
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:42 AM
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1. And thats what happens when one doesn't think before acting.. hmmm n/t
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matt007 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:21 PM
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5. That pretty much sums it up
Yet one more mess Pres. Obama will have to sort out.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:44 AM
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2. Fucking bunch of war criminals
and that they are granted any legitmacy....unreal
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:45 AM
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3. Easily remedied
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM by saigon68
Reid and Pelosi can cut off funding for this torture chamber

But alas they won't.

Remember the Congress would not allow Nixon the funds to invade Laos.

Hence Lam Son 719 --- Meaning No US boots on the ground.

And the S. Vietnamese got their asses kicked

And several hundred US Army and Air Force aviators paid with it with their lives.

"The operation was conceived in doubt and assailed by skepticism, preceded in confusion."

Dr. Henry Kissinger speaking on Operation Lam Son 719

http://www.174ahc.org/sound.htm

http://www.a101avn.org/GA~lolo2.htm
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:41 PM
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4. GATES is a LIAR Check this out from Yesterday's hearing
(Here are just 3 stories that discredit the liar GATES.
It comes from the Hearing that should be in the NEWS )

Tuesday, May 20, 2008

City on the Hill or Prison on the Bay? The Mistakes of Guantanamo and the Decline of America’s Image, Part II

Hearing Notice, The Honorable Bill Delahunt, Mr. Murat Kurnaz, Appendices, Stephen Abraham, Esq, Mark P. Denbeaux, Esq., Appendices, Clive Stafford Smith, Esq., P. Sabin Willett, Esq., Glenn M. Sulmasy, Esq.
http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/sub_oversight.asp

*********************************************************************************************
From Clive Stafford Smith's testimony:
....Mr. Abdallah’s innocence has been proved, and has been conceded by U.S. forces, yet he remains in Guantánamo Bay. He remains in Guantánamo because the U.S. has, as yet, failed to find him somewhere to go.

**** Yet there is a refuge that would be suitable for Mr. Abdallah and the other two Somali prisoners in Guantánamo Bay: the small, stable, de facto independent region of northwest Somalia known as Somaliland. The government of Somaliland is closely allied with the United States. Moreover, high-ranking members of this government—the Ministers of Interior and Foreign Affairs, the Speaker of the Parliament, and the leader of the chief opposition party—have all been alerted by my office to the cases of Somali prisoners in Guantánamo Bay. ***

It should, in principle, be relatively straightforward for the U.S. to transfer Mr. Abdallah, a UNHCR refugee who is patently innocent of any crime, to a friendly regime. For Mr. Abdallah the matter is urgent. He is an aging grandfather who never posed the slightest threat to the U.S. or its allies. It is no exaggeration to say he has little time left. His one wish now is to return to his family in Somaliland and live out his remaining years in peace with his loved ones.
*********************************
This kid was sent to Guantanamo at age 14.
Mohammed El Gharani is the second youngest prisoner in Guantánamo Bay today.
More than six years later, Mohammed has never been formally charged with any crime. The main allegation against him remains that he was a member of an Al Qaeda cell in London in 1998. The suggestion is ludicrous, and recently his interrogator has had the decency to apologize for the fact that the allegation has still not been dismissed: Mohammed would have been just 11 years old at the time – and had never been outside Saudi Arabia.

Today, Mohammed is kept in the maximum security Camp V. He is housed in a cell that is entirely made of steel. The neon lights are on 24 hours a day. He has nothing to do all day. Mohamed has also faced totally unacceptable abuse. Perhaps most damaging, the racial abuse has continued throughout his incarceration.
He has been deeply depressed and has made several suicide attempts, including slashing his wrists, trying to hang himself and running head-first into the wall as hard as he could.
Saudi Arabia refuses to take responsibility for him, so Chad seems to be the only option for his release.

***** However, until his volunteer legal representatives travelled to Chad, the Chad government reported that there had been no efforts by the U.S. to negotiated his release to the country of his nationality. He remains in Guantánamo Bay. ******


*******
Finally, let me mention Binyam Mohamed, a British resident from London.
The British confirmed to the U.S. that he was a “nobody” – a janitor from London. Nevertheless, the U.S. decided that he knew more than he was saying.

**** The U.K. has asked that Binyam Mohamed be returned to the U.K., where he will face any legal proceedings that the U.K. chooses to initiate. The U.K. is willing to be responsible for his custody and control. The U.S. should repatriate him rather than prolong and exacerbate the damage that this case has done both to the reputation of the U.S. and to Anglo-American relations. *********

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I highly recommend you read the testimony on this hearing.
2nd. please at least ready Prof's Mark Denbeaux's testimony
His figures and reseach is what you can send to your congress person's and ignorant friends and family. http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/den052008.pdf






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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:33 PM
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6. No, we are not "stuck" with Guantanamo. We are "stuck" with
Gates as Defense Director.
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benapgar Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:41 PM
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7. 18 USC 242 = prison time
Title 18 Section 242: Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law.

This is a federal law which makes it illegal to deprive someone of their rights, or subject them to different punishments simply because they are an alien.

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 does just that: most of it only applies to aliens, not citizens.

This isn't a matter for civil suits and constitutionality, the FBI should be investigating Gates and countless others.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:59 PM
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8. This is the story from the Washington Post By Walter Pincus
<snip>
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who last year said he would look for ways to close the Guantanamo Bay military prison, has told the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee that his inter-agency effort has been brought to a "standstill" by what he called "a serious not-in-my-back-yard problem."

Gates said there are "about 70" detainees whom the United States is prepared to send back to home countries. But those governments "either won't accept them or we are concerned that the home government will let them loose once we return them."

Making that prospect more real was the U.S. military's announcement that one of the people who set a suicide bomb in Mosul, Iraq, this month was identified as Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti who was captured in Afghanistan, sent to Guantanamo and released in 2005 after three years there. Al-Ajmi was released when he returned home.

"What do you do with that irreducible 70 or 80, or whatever the number is, who cannot be let loose but will not be charged and will not be sent home?" Gates asked.
<end of snip>

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/25/AR2008052502707.html?hpid=moreheadlines

The real problem is, these people are broken. The second problem is these people will talk, causing more problems for the Bush Jr. Administration. Thank you for the horseshit story Mr. Gates.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:29 PM
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9. Guatanomo's days are numbered
the joke will be when all of them are released

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:41 PM
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10. Just like the Soviets were stuck with the Gulag Archepeligo. n/t
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:01 PM
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11. This is the problem:
"...we are concerned that the home government will let them loose once we return them."

Considering that those imprisoned illegally never had the benefit of any legal rights, were never tried or convicted, their freedom is the very minimum appropriate remedy. There should be no "concern" about letting them "loose" at all.

This is ALL about covering up BushCorp's war crimes.

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