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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:15 AM Original message |
Venezuela 'taking control' of mines |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think I know a couple of guys around here that are |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Scoot over.... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. I'M SERIES!!!11!!11!1111!! |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good!!!! If the "companies" won't monitor themselves like....... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here are photos of what happened to the area at the hands of the mining company owners. |
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Spouting Horn (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Because we know how |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. What are you talking about? Your odd hit and run doesn't add much. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So you are comparing Venezuela to the USSR? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes, as he has in the past |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Ecocide for profit must be stopped. Do you believe it should be allowed in order |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. That's hilarous. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Is That All You've Got? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. -1 |
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surf (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. +1 |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
108. in the spirit of CU&OF +1 |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. You are hereby certified as being the first of the definitively "unglued". Didn't |
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Smear Talk Express (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Not a valid argument... |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Actually, it was the evil Swiss |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Fail! |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
74. Who's "We"? You got a mouse in your pocket? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
105. Chavez is nothing like the USSR or the Eastern Bloc. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. That is sickening. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. Chavez is one of the good guys on this planet |
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surf (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. He promised he wasn't a socialist, now he is. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Provide a source for your claim he "promised he wasn't a socialist." |
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Smear Talk Express (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Stop parrotting Puny Pelosi's talking points... |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Huh huh. you said dick-ta-tor. |
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ThePowerofWill (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
93. Dick Tater? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. fer sher doood...in this case I'm guessing you mean capitalism |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 04:14 PM Original message |
Sounds great |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. This is far too complicated an isssue to look at as simply black and white |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Another issue |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #64 |
85. And yet it is flying under the banner of capitalism. nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
102. In general, corporations can't be trusted to give a damn about the environment. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
100. And the environmental thing got even worse after the capitalists took back over. |
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surf (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. I'm a democrat, NOT A SOCIALIST. |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Surf, as a guy who has just lost a few thousand dollars on Crystallex stock |
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surf (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I don't think mining is good for the earth either. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Did you know that |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. OK, we see where you stand. I won't insult you. |
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IggyReed (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
119. Surf... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. We're Taking Venezuela, Not the US |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
86. George Bush IS having his way with the Utility Companies. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
103. Better government running business than business running government |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Corporates love Socialized Debt, Privatized gain |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. Chavez has always been very open about his political views |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
90. Not only that |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
60. It goes without saying that if Chavez was replaced by a "capitalist" leader |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
62. Chavez NEVER promised he wasn't a socialist. And the Venezuelan people don't MIND that he is.. |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
73. Anti-American? What the hell does that mean? |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Good point. |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Thanks Ronnie- thats what I was getting at. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. kr nt |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
12. Protecting the environment?? Those damn commies! |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. SO in two years, the Google earth photo's will show a reverse of eco damage ? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Blogger opinion? What on earth do you imagine constitutes proof from that? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. ..but your sources ...are of the highest standards and never "opinionated" either way |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. El Universal is wildly anti-Chavez, runs only anti-Chavez material every day. |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. How long does cyanide stay composed in sunlight? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Don't understand what your point is, but I did find this: |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
88. I didn't make a point. I asked a question. Thanks for your response. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. You can't honestly be saying that Venezuela would be greener under a capitalist government? |
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jespwrs (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. Go Hugo! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. Venezuela Stops Open-Pits and Gold Mines |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. Chavez gives me hope, at least for his part of the globe. |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Me too. He represents real hope and change! |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
30. It is fortunate indeed that times have changed |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. We can only hope and pray! |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
33. meanwhile my province is stealing mining rights from underneath landowners |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Nicely put |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. No joke, here's what they did in Canada, a so called "Free country" |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. 'We have the ability to take Chavez out' |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. and his bellicose, Neanderthal followers. nt |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Isn't Ossama out there yet? Why don't you sharpen |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
40. Venezuela is doing what WE should be doing, as usual--looking out for the COMMON GOOD. |
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Smear Talk Express (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. If people like Peloxsi and the DLClintons were as insightful as you... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. The common good? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Democrats at D.U. have discussed this exhaustively. We know what happened. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. I don't care bad or good |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. This conversation is ridiculous. DU meetup in Venezuela. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. That station openly supported a CIA organized coup attempt against Chavez |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You compare to Bush |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. There isn't a progressive anti-Chavez position. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. "You have to be a right winger to want Chavez out." |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Why don't you share what you know about the last one with D.U.? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You don't know? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I repeat, go ahead and share what you know about "the last one." n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Here's some of what I learned about Carlos Andres Perez some time ago, |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. so what Judi? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. The TV station was only one indicator |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. "I don't care about specifics when it comes to this" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #95 |
116. Just found some interesting information in a Reporters Without Borders Wikipedia: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
107. Well, the U.S. WOULD always receive satisfactory ratings from the RSF, considering |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
106. Most of these stalwarts have never taken the time to learn any of the facts about this, as you know! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
101. Perez killed thousands of trade unionists for peacefully marching against his surrender to the IMF |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. You would agree that a Chamorro/Contra type regime would be a tragic ending, wouldn't you? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
98. You probably think 1989 was a happy ending for Eastern Europe. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
82. quit crying about a tv station |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. Sides? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. oh please it is NOT open season on journalists in Venezuela |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. Here's the problem with ideology |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Provide some evidence to the right-wing claim he's a "dictator." |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. It's interesting that you think any claim must be right-wing |
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justaregularperson (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
113. Unfortunately Reporters without Borders appears to have influence problems |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:10 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Outstanding information. The author shines a bright light on some "details" which reveal everything |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. I was waiting for this attack |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
42. And Big Oil has Contracts in Iraq |
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justinaforjustice (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
51. VE Protects Environment While Bush-Cheney-McCain Seek More Dangerous Exploitation |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. bauxite? This was what turned Jamaica into a subsidiary of Alcoa |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
79. subsidiary of Alcoa ? |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
77. someone needs to take control of them; they are all over the place |
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justaregularperson (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
78. This has nothing to do with "Socialism" - Repubs have their way and our mountains will look the same |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
80. More nationalization? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. You need to familiarize yourself with Venezuela's history. Nationalization has been employed there |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Uh-huh n/t |
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justaregularperson (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #94 |
112. facts or information? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. That's the only thing that works. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
120. Yeah... actually it is Nice. It's Better Than Letting the Wealthy |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
83. Smart move. Companies are now global and would use up all Venezuela's resources |
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Tillseptember (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
111. Go Chavez |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
114. Venezuelan Environment Minister confirms mining ban in Imataca forest |
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