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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:15 PM
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Guardian Utd (Friday): New poll reveals public mistrust (in Blair)
From the Guardian Unlimited (UK)
Dated Friday January 30

New poll reveals public mistrust
By Nicholas Watt, political correspondent

Three times as many people trust the BBC to tell the truth than trust the government despite Lord Hutton's damning judgment, an exclusive poll by ICM for the Guardian shows.
More dramatically, the survey reveals that confidence in both has been shattered. Almost half of those surveyed said they trusted neither.
In a sign that Tony Blair has failed to achieve a "bounce" from the Hutton report, the survey also found a six-point drop in support for the Iraq war to less than half of voters.
The prime minister's net personal rating was minus 17 points, with 55% of voters unhappy with his performance compared with 38% expressing satisfaction. This compared with a net rating of minus 15 points a week ago. Support for the war fell by six points from 53%, a week ago to 47%, with a five-point increase in opposition, from 41% to 46%.

One thing the Hutton Report could paper over is that Blair said Iraqi commanders could launch a biochemical attack within 45 minutes of Saddam ordering and that he was lying as he said that. The British people know it.

Read it and weep, Blair apologists.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:21 PM
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1. If only the American public
were half as smart at the British public. Americans suck up what the government wants us to believe, while the Brits can recognize the propaganda and resist it.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:22 PM
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2. I think this is real good news...The British are smarter than a
good percentage of Americans
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:32 PM
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3. Blair is lying--he smiles at the most inappropiate times!?!
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 11:32 PM by loftycity
He's a joker and the Country knows it. Your not going to fool the British...they've been through that b*lls**t long ago...
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:46 PM
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4. Tony Blair is a War Criminal
and always will be.

It is that simple.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 03:10 AM
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7. Interesting blog discussion was in progress at
the Tom Watson blog. He is a Labour MP with his own blog at

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/index.html

Read the comments on the topic

"Hutton inquiry report"

I have just answered the question of who is a War Criminal, when asked to answer a couple of questions about Saddam Hussain.

Jacob Matthan
http://www.findians.com/educated.html
Oulu, Finland
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 12:37 AM
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5. And he had the nerve to demand an apology
Shameless war criminal.
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jdunn Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 02:18 AM
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6. It is sad...
to see just how far down the river Blair has sold the Labour Party. Many in the party feel disgust with the events of the last couple of years, and utter horror at the bedfellows he has chosen.

I never followed politics particularly enthusiastically until the late 90's, so my earliest memory of Blair is a cozy interview he gave during the Labour leadership contest after John Smith had died of a heart attack. I recall him discussing his Christianity, unusual in British politics; he said that he believed his socialism was a natural product of his faith, that Christ's teachings were essentially those of Socialism.

He seemed like the right candidate for the job, at least a candidate with a fresh approach. We were sick of losing, particularly after the previous election, won by that f--ing gnome John Major.

The clues started coming as to what we might expect, when, at the Labour Party Conference of 97, Blair appeared on-stage in a dazzling explosion of pyrotechnics, like some grinning political Christ, gazing fervently up and out, toward the cheap seats and the bright future. Blair announced that we were a New Labour Party, with New ideas, and New policies. The old Labour base, desperate for anything that might get rid of the bastard Tories, went along with him; after all, he was a consummate politician, and though the son of a conservative, one of their own.

As he dragged them relentlessly toward the political fence, he soothed them with assurances, "Patience, we have to win first." Once we had won, in an unprecedented landslide, Blair set about fulfilling all the promises he had made in order to appeal to the disillusioned conservatives that had given us our margin of victory, whilst simultaneously managing to ignore most of the promises he had made to his own party.

Since then, on almost any issue one cares to mention, he has improvised his way through this same political dance over and over again. The opposition tells him where the fence is, he trots over and sits on it, and then winks his party over only to realize they've only gone and moved the bloody fence again!

Most recently he has pirouetted effeminately across the world stage and into Iraq. His reasoning (which actually does make an insane kind of sense): an entirely unilateral America is a very dangerous and frightening America:

"Bush and the neo-cons want to drive a wedge into the old alliances in Europe? Er... Christ on a bike! We'd better fall out with them, and sharpish, or America will seem very dangerous and frightening to the rest of the world. Bush is manipulating intelligence/declaring pre-emptive war/lying through his teeth/bending me over? Crumbs! Better get on board, or America will seem very dangerous and frightening to the rest of the world... "

Etc.

Ad nauseam.

As a political animal Blair has learned to survive by becoming his enemy.

His demand for an apology from the BBC was the final straw for me.

It is sickening to think of the enemy he has become.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 08:50 AM
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12. Welcome to DU, Mr. Dunn
!!
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 03:14 AM
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8. Hutton a whitewash, say 56%
And this is a YouGov poll, which is usually skewed to the right!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/30/nhutt30.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/01/30/ixportaltop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=106

A majority of voters thinks the Hutton report on events leading to the death of Dr David Kelly is a "whitewash", a YouGov poll for The Telegraph says today.

The survey found that 56 per cent of people interviewed said Lord Hutton, as a member of the Establishment, was too ready to sympathise with the Government.

Only 34 per cent thought his report represented a thorough and impartial attempt to discover the truth about Dr Kelly's death.

After the BBC suffered the most traumatic 24 hours in its history, the poll shows that the corporation is still trusted more than the Government. YouGov found that 67 per cent trust BBC news journalists to tell the truth, compared with 31 per cent who trust the Government.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 03:16 AM
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9. Blair == I did NOT have sex with that woman
Yes you did tony. It is where you caught the AIDS you've passed on to the labour party. Only abstinance works with the Bush-AIDS. Now, like any Neocon-HIV positive politician, you're immune system is weakening, weakening. Joining your buds on the tory benches would be far kinder to your labour party, given your carrier status.

I'm really sad you've accomplished such a wet fart in office.

You've buggered up the lords reform.
You've failed to support proportional voting, and when your HIV weakens you further, the opposition will use this oversight to ream the country and destroy the paltry reforms you've put in place.

Good work for supporting northern ireland peace, and devolution. That is the sum total of your presidency.

Everything else is a wet clinton stain. From all of us human beings who legitimately could expect soooo much more from you, you've done fuck all.

If Mr. Brown can see to it to undertake drugs laws reform, to take the advise of all the folks involved to shift away from criminalization as a social solution for ANYTHING, i'd rather have him. As much as he scares the shit out of me, at least he's not neocon-HIV positive.

It is time for you to make a graceful exit OR...

To consider a RADICAL re-generation of your original charter as PM... and its more than fucking waiting lists and immigration. That is tabloid government. You could yet accomplish constitutional changes regarding the monarchy. You could yet set up an english parliament. You could yet put in place constitutional independence for the BBC by placing its regulation entirely under OFCOM where it belongs, and by then making ofcom an independent public regulator. Your greatest contribution to the youth of this country could be to end the foolish war of criminalization on drugs... we're talking 1 out of 10 citizens you point a gun at and declare unworthy.

I'll make you a formal offer Mr. Blair. You are welcome to have dinner here and a chat regarding radical survival, as it is your only real chance. The place is remote and you could arrange to arrive in secret and depart in secret. I would not ever say a word about our meetup, ever... beyond the official secrets act, rather simply have MI5 disappear me... all to assuage paranoia of discovery. I live in a world of goodwill and trust... no worries.

By the end of a long evening, you will have a plan to re-take all the ground you've lost in the public trust of this country... a plan beyond where you can get to right now, bunkered in behind the same advisors who have gone to AIDS. The big conversation was not right, it was more like an election poll. What i propose is 1 to 1 marketing strategy to win. Bring Peter M. He can help.

The offer is open mr. Blair. There ARE things you can do to recover your political health, and you're not doing them. I can explain, but only in person. Hey, the worst you have to lose is an evening with good food. Have one of your agents make the arrangements.

Peace Mr. Blair, May God's blessings fill your heart.

-sweetheart (just ask MI5) :)
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 03:42 AM
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10. Very good.
excellent post.

Question Time was fun last night for a change. Ian Hislop and Meinzes Campbell were excellent.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 08:46 AM
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11. Man, if only we could import Hislop and Jeremy Paxman to the US
Bush would last thirty seconds!
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 12:34 PM
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14. I've only heard about that
Apparently the audience broke into prolonged applause the moment Ian Hislop said "judicial whitewash".

Anyway, this thread needs a kick!

:kick:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 09:06 AM
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13. Many seem to think the wrong people resigned
From the BBC Online
Dated Thursday January 29 20:36 GMT (12:36 pm PST)

"Cut the crap, bring Greg back"
By Paula Dear
BBC News Online

It is not often you hear hundreds upon hundreds of staff affectionately chanting the name of their departing boss, or yelling at the tops of their voices "come back!"
But within hours of director general Greg Dyke's resignation on Thursday, there were unprecedented scenes of spontaneous support and raw emotion from BBC employees outside Television Centre.
Passing drivers would have been forgiven for thinking they were witnessing a mass walkout in protest against the bosses.
But on closer inspection, they could read what the placards said, and as the crowd grew and grew they honked their horns in a cacophony of support.

Read more.
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