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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:36 PM
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Mixed ruling on controversial Florida gun law
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 11:37 PM by Newsjock
Source: Reuters

Florida employers cannot bar their employees from keeping guns locked in their cars at work but businesses can stop customers from keeping firearms in cars while shopping, a U.S. judge has ruled.

Both gun advocates and business groups claimed victory in a legal battle over guns and property rights following the ruling on Monday on a challenge to Florida's so-called "take-your-guns-to-work" law, which took effect on July 1.

In his ruling, U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle upheld a provision of the controversial law that allows employees holding a state-issued concealed weapons permit to keep a gun locked in their vehicle in the parking lot.

Hinkle also said employers cannot fire or refused to hire an employee with a lawful gun permit.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIssues/idUKN2937687220080729
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:39 PM
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1. Apparently, we can take our firearm to work, but not shopping.
Weird. :wtf:
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:48 PM
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2. So when a gun-owner buys a gun at Walmart he is breaking the law? How does that work?
The employees can have a gun in thier car but a shopper buying a gun or ammo cant'?

Just more stupid decisions and laws that make no sense.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:12 AM
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4. You have to leave immediately.
Hopefully, after paying in Sporting Goods and beating a hasty retreat throught the Auto Shop exit.
:rofl:
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:13 AM
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6. LOL!! Maybe they give you a waiver if you spend enough money in the store first !!!
Just another dumb law that wont decrease crime at all. In fact, it would dissuade potential shoppers who have a hunting gun in the vehicle from stopping in the store and buying some goods, thus depriving the store from a sale that day.

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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:49 PM
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3. Apparently these gun laws are getting
more and more insane. Why would anyone want to leave a gun in a car, even a locked one? All any criminal has to do now, is to find out who has guns in their cars, and they have a built in gun locker. Nice to have them stored where all it takes is a smashed window to get a gun, handy isn't it. The idiots in Fla , should be more concerned about how to run the state and it's city's, with diminished revenues. Tourists will surely not like knowing about all the guns floating around there, Housing is slumping, jobs are being lost, and they are worried about making the NRA happy. Screw them all and all the non hunters, who feel the need to own a concealed weapon.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:13 AM
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5. "The idiots in Fla" is a nasty, presumptuous statement!
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 12:14 AM by madeline_con
Edited to add:

How dare you tell me I shouldn't own a weapon unless I want to kill defenseless animals! :puke:
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:10 PM
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10. Actually I agree with
him. Idiots in Florida. Nothing that happens here surprises. Before anybody says it, no, I am not a Floridian, but a New Yorker.



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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:20 AM
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7. Isn't Florida one of those stand your ground states where you don't have to retreat, but fire first?
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:21 AM by Truth4Justice
That makes this whole thing make even less sense to me.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:54 PM
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12. For a lot of reasons.
Mostly because you don't want to have to go straight home from wherever you were using the gun, and then head back out to shop.

Had a roommate that routinely put a couple of guns in the trunk of his car during hunting season. He'd go out hunting in the morning before work, or stop off on the way home afterwards. One rifle and one handgun. Rifle for shooting the deer or elk, handgun for finishing off the animal. (If it was bird hunting season, he'd just have a shotgun. We both kept fishing tackle in our cars when going to work when fishing was legal, but lures and monofilament really aren't problems.)

I've been with groups that were out target shooting and on the way home they stopped for pizza or other activities. To drop off 10 people and their guns and then reassemble made little sense. Having 10 people carrying handguns and blackpowder rifles suddenly descend on a Dairy Queen or a pizza place would probably make the owners a bit nervous--then what do you do when you have to go pee, take them with you? I've known people who'd go out hunting and do the same: Into the trunk with them.

It's what my brother does on the way to and from the shooting range with his son. Trunks are better than extra trips or taking the guns in with you when buying ice and sodas.

Then there's the problematic hunting + camping trip. You go hunting for a weekend, and camp. When not in use, the safest place is the trunk of the car or locked in a box in the bed of a truck. That includes when you're shopping for food or grabbing a burger. The alternative--much safer, apparently--is leaving the guns "locked" in your tent. In all cases, serious hunters also had a handgun for finishing their prey.


Had another roommate who worked driving an armored car. Whenever there was a report of an armored car robbery, he'd go a bit paranoid. Granted, his employer also had no problem with his carrying guns--he'd bike to work in summer with one gun in a holster under his t-shirt and a couple more in a backpack, through a public park. After work he'd really have no choice but to bike straight home. But during the rest of the year he'd do errands after work, and keep them locked in the trunk of his car. Better than taking them into the grocery store, or the, er, novelty shops that he'd visit before heading to his girlfriend's for the night. Just imagine: "Is that a gun in your pocket, or do you like the magazine?" And he'd pull out his Glock. Now *that* would go over well. (At home he kept pretty much everything in a gun safe, although he said to be sure to make a lot of noise when coming home late at night--he assumed that a thief would be loud, but I wouldn't be, and he'd rather get woken up by a rude housemate than run the risk of having to find another housemate. He said he kept one next to his bed.)

I could probably go on, but you get the picture. Different sort of lifestyle, for some people, and for others, just part of work.

This doesn't include people that just want to feel safe and carry a gun in their car. As far as I know, I've never known anybody like that, but I guess they exist.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:36 PM
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8. "employers cannot fire or refused to hire an employee with a lawful gun permit"
I really hope that this is supposed to read "because they have a lawful gun permit" not "with".

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:05 PM
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9. Florida is "Right to work state"
Real misnomer on that though. Employers can fire an employee with no reasons given. Why would they tell them they are getting fired for having a gun? They can just say they aren't doing a good job. End of story.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:41 PM
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11. You missed my point :)
The way it's phrased is that employers can't fire or refuse to hire someone that has a gun permit. . . meaning that if a person has a gun permit, the employer must hire them and can not fire them.

That's why I said the grammar was incorrect.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 07:12 AM
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13. When I go shopping, I take my gun with me
not leave it in the truck. Concealed means concealed.
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