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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:21 AM
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Broccoli may undo diabetes damage
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 08:24 AM by Stuart G
Source: BBC

Broccoli may undo diabetes damage

Broccoli may help ward off prostate cancer

Eating broccoli could reverse the damage caused by diabetes to heart blood vessels, research suggests.
A University of Warwick team believe the key is a compound found in the vegetable, called sulforaphane


It encourages production of enzymes which protect the blood vessels, and a reduction in high levels of molecules which cause significant cell damage.

Brassica vegetables such as broccoli have previously been linked to a lower risk of heart attacks and strokes.
Our study suggests that compounds such as sulforaphane from broccoli may help counter processes linked to the development of vascular disease in diabetes




Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7541639.stm



I don't particularly like it, but I am going to eat it now....
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 AM
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1. broccoli tip
Buy fresh broccoli with "tight" buds instead of the flowered out buds, cut the toughest parts of the stems out, and steam the heads for nine minutes to get them "al dente" but not mushy. Toss with a little olive oil-based 'butter', a little salt'n'pepa and a drizzle of lemon juice.

Yes, lemon juice. It changes the way your taste receptors work on the sulforaphanes and thioles for people who have "super sniffers" or who generally avoid broccoli because of "taste" or "smell".

Actually - that lemon juice trick works with nearly any green vegetable, and with fresh steamed beets.

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:37 AM
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5. oh yum! (I like to use the stems in stir-fry (peeled and sliced)) n/t
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:59 AM
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49. mmmmmmmmmm Broccoli beef!
I was on warfarin for a year and I couldn't eat broccoli, cabbage or romaine lettuce. It got so bad I was dreaming of broccoli beef and Caesar salad. The day my doctor took me off of warfarin, I just went on a food orgy of cole slaw, Caesar salad and broccoli beef! Heaven :-)

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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 04:44 PM
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95. You got bad information, then
(had the PE, done the meds): The rule on warfarin is not that you can't have high-K veggies and the like, but that what you consume daily has to be dead consistent, with no variation on how much K you consume. Because a list of my favorite foods matches nearly perfectly with a list of high vitamin K foods, I opted to go the high-K diet route (coupled with a higher daily dose of warfarin).

Of course that method ends pretty much the same way yours did, only backwards. At the end of my time on rat poison, I was so sick of dark green veggies and other K foods I could not wait till I could go one whole day without eating the damned things :)
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:41 AM
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6. I am a 26-year cancer survivor who swears to the merits of brocolli!
I purchase broccoli florets from a "green grocer", trim off the superfluous stalks, bag, and freeze them for later use. Served steamed with small boiled red potatoes (skins on) and grilled fish fillets, lightly seasoned makes for one healthy meal!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:43 AM
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7. I just use Lemmon and salt - nothing else
no butter or oil

mmmmmmmgood
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:13 AM
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14. Lemon juice or vinegar -- absolutely the secret weapon.
Tossing broccoli with a small amount of wine or cider vinegar works as well as lemon juice. I've had guests comment on how much sweeter my steamed broccoli was than when they made it at home.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:22 AM
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15. ohhhhhh cider vinegar
Okay, totally not healthy or cancer saving BUT,

German potato salad made with rendered thick bacon, using minced onion and caraway cook/soaked in hot cider vinegar.

Bavarian, straight from the farmhouse.

Oh the shame. I'll have to eat extra broccoli tonight just for thinking about it!

:hi:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:38 PM
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27. Vinegar has some benefits
I'm not talking about the old claims that it cures arthritis. But this article seems to make some reasonable arguments for vinegar's benefits.

http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/the-health-benefits-of-vinegar3.htm
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:30 PM
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40. Thanks, LiberalEsto -
That article contains the bit I was talking about - that vinegar slows the sugar/resulting insulin spike from carbohydrates.

:yourock:
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:19 PM
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37. Actually, vinegar cuts the glycemic load of the potatoes.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:27 PM by susanna
Anytime you eat a simple or complex starch, strive to have vinegar as a part of the meal. It lowers the glycemic response of the body to the starches, which is good for sugar control. I forget where I read it, but will try and find it. Oh - lemon/lime juice will do the same. Something about the interplay between starch/acid.

Vinegar (northern climes) and lemons/limes (southern climes) haven't been around for millennia for nothing. :-)

on edit: added the lemon/lime bit
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 04:54 PM
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58. I just buy the pure sulforaphane, myself.
Lol. And the benzylisothiocyanate. Easy to eat when you put it in pills.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:24 AM
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16. great tip. You forgot to mention garlic
:)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:42 PM
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32. Thanks for the lemon juice tip!
Have to try that on my kid now... :hi:
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:40 PM
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42. It's kind of funny that you mention that -
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:41 PM by susanna
I am a super-taster/sniffer, and yet I've always loved broccoli; though I do buy it fresh and steam it lightly (with the lemon juice), before the sulfurs get too crazy.

Now, I can't get within an inch of cilantro most of the time. That stuff tastes like soap. Phooey. And everyone is throwing it into food these days. I'm having to teach my taste buds to tolerate it, but it isn't easy. :-)

on edit: clarity
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:35 PM
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88. Maybe you can verify my problem
This is difficult to explain to most people about how cilantro tastes to me. If you have picked wild raspberries or blackberries and accidentally ate one that had a stink bug in it; that is how cilantro tastes to me.

To the people talking about throwing away the stalks of broccoli; please stop that. Square them off by cutting off the woody green outside and then cut them into slices and stir fry them. They have a wonderful tangy mustard taste if you leave them a bit crunchy.

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blue52power Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:18 PM
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54. My favorite vegetable and don't forget it in soups
It is great in both broth and cream based soups.

This is good research information. I eat it alot anyway, but since im diabetic, I'll increase the broc oloc ali intake.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 05:08 PM
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59. steam 9 minutes? that is too long in my book.. 3-4 minutes at most.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:46 PM
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98. Mmmmmmm
I don't think it needs to be cooked at all (nor do most greens) but if you must, then yeah, lemon juice is IT. I've loved it on everything from veggies to pasta since I was a kid. :9
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:33 AM
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2. Wait till they find out what Brussels Sprouts cure.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:07 AM
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13. OMG, I love steamed Brussels sprouts.
steamed until soft, topped with melted butter, salt, pepper - so good.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:27 AM
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17. Roasted Brussel Sprouts and Potatoes. Toss w/EVOO & garlic & salt. Roast in oven til caramelized
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:27 AM by cryingshame
rosemary also a good addition to that.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:29 AM
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18. wow, I'm getting hungry now.
lol :D
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:25 PM
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38. Try this one, too (re: brussels sprouts)...
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:25 PM by susanna
Saute them in olive oil until slightly carmelized. Add a bit of chicken stock and a couple smashed garlic cloves. Cook and evaporate the stock until the texture you like (I like softer). Add stock as necessary to get to that point.

Serve them to confirmed brussels sprouts haters and watch their epiphany. It's awesome. :-)

on edit: a little more info
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:01 AM
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50. or pan fry them in olive oil and shallots
I love to slice them in half and pan fry them in olive oil and shallots. mmmmmmmmmmm :-)
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:38 AM
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51. That would be good too.
I think I'm going to pick up some brussels sprouts today. :-)
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:18 PM
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83. this is similar to how I cook them!
just did it one day! no recipe. wow!
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 03:23 PM
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94. Sweet and Sour Brussels Sprouts
Steam the sprouts, and don't over cook them.

cook some bacon until it is very crisp and crumble it up
mix up vinegar and sugar with the bacon drippings, just enough to get it all to hold together. I don't have measurements, just sort of do this by taste..you just don't want it too whangy or too sweet.

pour the dressing over the sprouts and top with the crumbled bacon.

The first time I had this it was made w/ frozen brussels sprouts and it was fantastic.

The key to Sprouts as well as other relatives is simply don't cook them too long, and lemon or vinegar do make a huge difference!
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:51 PM
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82. Two BS salads --
BS (boiled w/a little salt, butter), mandarin orange slices, blonde walnut halves;

or

BS, cherry tomatoes, pearl onions. Boil BS in salted water, add a little butter, then the onions. Add tomatoes hot or cold, depending on your tastes. Serve at room temp.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:39 PM
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23. Little green balls of evil... n/m
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:32 PM
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31. Now that's EWWWW... nasty slimy things
Them and lima beans. Awful!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:28 PM
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84. If they are slimy, they are not cooked right.
Probably overcooked.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:40 PM
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44. Yum. Brussels sprouts.
Very good!
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:34 AM
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47. And what might that be??
Please share your knowledge :)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:34 AM
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3. I'm definitely going to start eating more broccoli. Good thing I like it. n/t
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:37 AM
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4. This part of the story is also very significant....
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 08:37 AM by Stuart G

"It encourages production of enzymes which protect the blood vessels, and a reduction in high levels of molecules which cause significant cell damage."

To me, as the story states, a .."previously linked ot a lowr risk of heart attack and strokes.." That is important since I have had a heart attack already..
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:18 AM
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8. well i've always liked broccoli
probably has to do with when I was a kid you could buy broccoli and cheese in a box and it was rather nice.
usually my wife n i have it just steamed over boiling water on the stove. :)
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:21 AM
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9. How many tons of broccoli
do you have to eat in order to enjoy the benefits?
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:21 AM
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10. My Pasta Broccoli recipe
I tried to copy a dish that was served at Doll's Restaurant in New Brunswick, NJ, many years ago.

Doll's Pasta Broccoli

1 pound broccoli
1 box of spaghetti
1 clove of garlic, peeled and minced
2 to 3 tablespoons of olive oil (or more)
1/2 teaspoon of fennel seeds
1/4 teaspoon of crushed red pepper flakes
Parmesan cheese
salt & pepper

Cook the pasta according to directions and drain.
Cut up the broccoli heads into florets; peel and dice the stems into 1/2 inch cubes.
Steam the broccoli until it's done to your liking.
Heat the olive oil in a small saucepan with the minced garlic until the garlic becomes fragrant. Do not let it turn brown. Remove from heat and add the fennel seeds and pepper flakes. Toss the broccoli with the seasoned olive oil, them mix it into the pasta. Serve with Parmesan cheese, salt and pepper.

You can increase or decrease any of the ingredients to your liking. This is my family's favorite quick supper.


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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:41 AM
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12. That sounds good!

I'll have to try it. Thanks!!
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:40 AM
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11. Cabbage won't do you wrong either
if you like that instead.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:56 PM
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26. KRAUTHEADS UNITE!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:34 PM
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85. Don't forget collards!
My collard plants are a year and a half old. I'm just keeping them alive now to conserve water, but they will feed me all winter.
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masmdu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:49 AM
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19. Broccoli - Spinich- Onion-Garlic-Turmeric SOUP...MMMM
Blanch Broccoli (3 mins)
Boil Spinich / Or raw
Sautee Onion/Garlic

Put all in blender/food processor until creamed

Warm one cup of milk/soy milk
Add 2 cups of mix
tsp of Turmeric / salt pepper as desired

warm up mixture and serve up a great tasting GREEN SOUP that makes eating your veggies easy!

We eat this everyday and keep quantities frozen for easy prep.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:03 AM
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20. What a usefule LBN thread! News, information AND recipes!
Who could ask for anything more? :P
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:40 PM
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24. Yeah, useful information -- you'd think this was the Lounge or something. n/m
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:56 PM
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29. Yes, great thread
I like Broccoli & B. Sprouts, and have Type II diabetes.
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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:30 AM
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21. Gordon Ramsay's Broccoli soup.
Easiest thing in the world to make. Good tips on broccoli selection as mentioned above "tight buds" have the water rolling and salted..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzJFnu_T4Us
Not a single curse in the vid. :-)
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:18 PM
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36. I'll do the increased broccoli thing but my husband's on coumadin...can't
Broccoli has too much Vitamin K....blood thinner also.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:26 PM
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39. My Mom has the same issue.
It's awful for her - she loves broccoli. :-(
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:23 PM
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72. My Mr is on coumadin
and he eats all greens. He gets tested weekly and his levels remain more or less constant because we eat the vegs all the time. Nobody said anything about it when he started on the drug so we never changed our eating habits. If we did change now, his levels would go way up.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:53 AM
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22. dress steamed broccoli with a little vegetarian oyster sauce
(it's made from oyster mushrooms) if you want a delicious treat.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:45 PM
Original message
Double-post, not my doing. Sorry.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:45 PM by susanna
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:45 PM
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43. That sounds really good! I'll try it. n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:55 PM
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25. The mighty crucifer family strikes again. Face it, "CABBAGE RULES!"
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 12:57 PM by yellowcanine
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:31 PM
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41. It does, and I'm cheesed
that my garden is nefariously infested with cabbage moths (I refuse pesticides). I think it might be one of the hardest families to grow on an amateur basis. Grrr.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:15 PM
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68. Floating row covers are your friend. No poisons needed.
Cabbage plants do not have to be pollinated so you can leave the covers on the whole season.
http://organicgardening.about.com/od/pestcontrol/p/cabbageworms.htm
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:11 PM
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74. You know, I read about the row covers, but did worry about pollination.
I did a test broccoli this year in a different location and used the row cover during the cabbage moth laying season. It looks pretty good right now, with only minor leaf damage. I didn't realize I could have left the cover on all season. I will have to try it next year, because I just love the brassicas and have gotten so frustrated not being able to figure out how to grow them.

Thanks a ton for the information, yellowcanine! :-)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 06:49 AM
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90. You only have to worry about pollination where you want a fruit or seed.
Edited on Sat Aug-09-08 06:49 AM by yellowcanine
So you are free and clear with all of the brassica crops.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:44 PM
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89. Natural solutions
Flour/baking soda mix: Can cause mold outbreaks. Some folks use just a light baking soda dusting.

Diatomaceous earth: Like eating hundreds of shards of broken glass.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 06:52 AM
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91. Too messy and need reapplication after rain. Go for the row covers.
Cheaper in the long run also because they can be reused for a number of seasons if you take care of them.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:43 PM
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28. nice to know. i think, generally, the greens are good for all of us.
but tonight i made corn!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:30 PM
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30. Oh I like broccoli.
Not a big veggie person, but that's one I like.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 PM
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33. When Bush sr said he hated broccoli I knew it was good for you. n/t
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:53 PM
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70. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
I love my broccoli!
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:58 PM
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34. Broccoli is the greatest healer known to humankind.
I've loved it for years, eating it raw in a salad just about every night. But I totally get it if a lot of people can't take the taste--it's got a high concentration of sulfur which is really good for your skin but isn't pleasing to a lot of palates.

So for those who hate it but still want the bennies: try broccoli sprouts. They're just like Alfalfa sprouts, adding more texture than taste, and don't resemble broc at all. But by sprouting the seeds you end up with a live food that has tons of nutrition. You can stick them on a sandwich with avocado and whatever else you like and it's delish! Or just throw them in a salad like I do.

Buon Appetiti!
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jpete Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:37 PM
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35. If that's true, it's great news
My aunt has diabetes and could use some cheap broccoli, instead of the sky-high medicines that she has to inject to herself in the morning and night time.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:39 PM
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79. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:42 PM
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45. I can see it now, Rx: Broccoli 2X a week
for diabetic patients.

Good thing I loves some broccoli..Raw, cooked, barbecued!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:10 AM
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46. Plants are our natural medicines/drugs --- too few understand that . . . !!!
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 12:10 AM by defendandprotect
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:42 PM
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61. One of the most powerful, most effective, least expensive medicines came from the willow tree..It is
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 08:46 PM by Stuart G
Asprin.... In 1829 scientists discovered that it was the compound called salicin in willow plants which gave you the pain relief....more about this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin

note: that Asprin is in the public domain That is why it is so inexpensive. If it were privately controlled, the price would be at least one hundred times what it is...in my honest opinion..perhaps more.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:24 PM
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62. Right . . . and I've twice posted some info helpful to females ...
re urinary tract infections . . . and you would think it was poison ivy they stay

so completely away from the info!!!

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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:07 AM
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67. Yes, For some reason people are looking for medicine only in a pill..
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 08:09 AM by Stuart G
We have a..pill society .
..Many of our solutions to medical issues can really be dealt with naturally, with food, plants etc. Not everything of course, but many. And that ..many is so much cheaper and safer than the pills.
.. Olive Oil has a huge amount of monounsaturated fats that can naturally prevent heart disease Yet, how many use it every day?

..I do, yet people will use Cheerios because of the oat content, when olive oil is stronger, cheaper, and more effective. The olive growers haven't banded together to advertise their product as effectively as General Mills.
...a pill by any other name is still.........a pill..
....... let's hear it for plants, and broccoli

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:20 PM
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75. ...they don't make the connection that plants are their drugs/medicines . ..
there isn't any drug made which isn't first something that grows in nature --- !!!
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:36 AM
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48. Very interesting...
I'm definitely going to try and incorporate more broccoli into my diet. Just don't want to turn into one!!

:silly:
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:52 AM
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52. News Flash! ...
Vegetables are good for you.

DUH! To those of us that understand nutrition and the positive impact of vegatables, this is not surprising news at all. It reinforces what vegetarians already know!
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:25 AM
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53. Broccoli will not go down my throat
I freakin' gag on broccoli! I couldn't eat if if I tried.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:29 PM
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56. Try it raw with an Asian dipping sauce
I like soy sauce, a little lemon juice and/or a little rice vinegar, some grated ginger, and a few drops of chili sesame oil (don't get suckered into getting chili soybean oil, it doesn't come close to being the same). It's very yummy. Dunk those little raw florets into the sauce and munch munch. Or if you're not keen on Asian food, dip them into baba ganoush or tahini spiked with a little chili. Or into salsa picante from Mexico (can you tell I like hot foods? :evilgrin: )
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:19 PM
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69. Many people overcook it. It should be steamed briefly until it is bright green and then
taken off the heat. The broccali will still be crunchy. Or you can eat it raw, but some people find it a little bitter that way. The worst thing you can do to broccali from a palatability standpoint is to overcook it so that it becomes mushy. Blah!
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:27 PM
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55. Hmmm. Follow the money for this study, and I bet it leads straight to Big Broccoli..
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 04:46 PM
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57. I happen to love broccoli, so I don't mind eating more of it!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:25 PM
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63. . . . or you could pick a can of COLA off a tree --- ???
natural plants are you drugs/medicines ---

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mithnanthy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:19 PM
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60. A sauce for broccoli...
is to mix red wine vinegar and mayonnaise (mix until blended well...add other spices if you want...not necessary). It's so Easy...serve the cold sauce on top of the steamed broccoli. I've always put lemon or vinegar on broccoli and Brussels sprouts, as well.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:38 AM
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64. Try as I might, I can't stomach broccoli.
It smells like farts. I've tried lemon, ginger, soy, cheese sauce - none of it covers up that smell. :( I know it's good for me, but I'm too weak, just can't do it!

Stir-fried cabbage is a different story!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:39 AM
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66. heat breaks down "bitter" compounds in foods
and huge temperature swings enhance the process of breaking down these compounds. which is probably why stir-fried cabbage is so tasty to you.

here's the easiest test to see if you can stomach something. get a delicious oil, or preferably butter, as these tantalize just about every palate. go blanch the vegetable quickly, like boiled in under a minute and then dropped in a colander below cold water from the tap. remove and place in a steaming container, drop about a tablespoon or 2 of butter or delicious oil, cover and steam for 10-20 minutes. remove, cool, and enjoy.

by that time so much of the bitter compounds should be mostly destroyed. what's left is a sweet tasting vegetable infused with buttery or oily goodness. a squeeze of acid (lemon or vinegar) and salt over that and you should be good. few vegetables cannot pass the butter steamed test for children.

also, get younger broccoli. check the thickness of the stalk and see if the florets are not blooming. thinner stems and tighter buds show less maturity and thus more delicate flavor, sort of like the difference between lamb and mutton. babies of all types are apparently tastier.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:28 AM
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65. blanch your vegetables to reduce "fart" smell and "bitterness" taste, use acids after.
boil quickly your veggie and then shock them in an ice bath briefly to render a greater and more palatable sweetness (aka, blanching). use acids like vinegar and citrus juice to further heighten their palatability. even things like mayonnaise (fresh or as close as you can, for the love of god) has healthy oil and citric acid to tame your veggies.

i have learned a broccoli salad recipe that's to die for -- even most kids love it. let me see if i can remember it off the top of my head. it involves:
broccoli (pared, blanched, & shocked -- most important part to make palatable)
pine nuts or spanish peanuts (red skinned peanuts) or walnuts, just nuts in general
cranberry raisins or grape raisins, or just dried fruit in general
shallots or purple onions (to soften the onions pungent bite even more, slice and salt and squeeze. this sweats out extra onion strength. rinse and then set in vinegar/citrus for a moment. this is also the way to make pickled onions, which is fantastic on potatoes and stuff instead of butter)
caesar or ranch dressing cut with mayonnaise or yogurt or sour cream along with lemon juice or vinegar (make enough just to lightly coat all ingredients, no drowning of food), shoot for a mild milk reduction consistency, like slightly runny pancake batter
salt and pepper (and garlic or chilies) to taste

throw together, toss and serve. even good to go, throw it in a tupperware and shake and go (easy on the mayonnaise and sunshine though).

there's some flexibility in there to accommodate different families' tastes and local regional availability, too.

i also got a spicy cabbage salad that works in top ramen noodles (discard the salt, er, "flavor" packet), onions, chilies, and peanuts that's killer. super cheap, nutritious, and filling. can even work things like sliced jicama or daikon or bean sprouts for additional cheap vegetable filler. you can also add leaves of mint or cilantro or parsley, maybe even basil?, to add extra leafy flavor. use a seasoned emulsion of olive oil and lemon juice as dressing; put the seasonings in the lemon juice before emulsifying with the olive oil. be creative with colors, use red and green cabbage, different colored sliced chilies, and julienned daikon radish and carrots. great way to eat your fill of veggies without struggle from fussy family members.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:46 PM
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80. Ooh -- you had to remind me of that salad!
I had a couple of variations on that when I worked a summer in Columbus, OH. Broccoli, raisins, pine nuts or sunflower seeds, and a mayonnaise-based sauce.

I love cold salad dishes in hot weather -- and I've lived in some hot places!
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 03:20 PM
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93. a slightly different Broccoli Salad.
1 large head of broccoli, chopped
1 cup sliced scallions
1 (or 2) cups of grapes, halved
1 cup slivered almonds
3 or 4 strips of bacon, cooked crisp and crumbled (the original recipe called for 1/2 pound of bacon!)

combine all ingredients.

POPPYSEED DRESSING
3/4 cup sugar
1 tsp dry mustard
salt to taste
1/3 cup vinegar (apple cider is best)
1 cup salad oil.. I use Extra Virgin Olive Oil, extra light tasting
1 1/2 TBSP poppyseeds.
Beat first 4 ingredients with whisk, slowly add oil until thick; add poppyseeds.
This dressing keeps well if kept refrigerated, approx 2 weeks.
I only use all of it on this salad if I double the salad recipe.

This is a very good dish.
I take it to a lot of covered dish meals and it always gets eaten down to the last poppyseed.

I have never bothered to steam or blanch the broccoli.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 07:28 PM
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96. Sounds interesting, but will look for a veggie sub for the bacon, thanks. :) nt
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 01:20 PM
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97. oh there are such things, I think. And of course you could do that. Or just not have the
bacon at all but it does add a very interesting flavor to the salad, if you happen to like bacon.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:07 PM
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71. Broccoli in the wok .. infinite possibilities!
Toasted sesame oil + Soy sauces + Ginger + Garlic
Oil + Lime juice + Cilantro
Oil + Veges
Oil + Sriracha
Olive oil + Capers + Lemon juice (mock piccata sauce)
Etc., etc.

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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:42 PM
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73. Someone might say..It doesn't look like much......but...
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 01:43 PM by Stuart G
there was a politician from Illinois...l859..He didn't look like much either..Neither did that guy in the wheel chair from New York. 1932...Don't be so sure about how things look.....

Imagine if you could take this stuff, with garlic, onions, and other vegs..olive oil..suppose it keeps you away from one or two bad winter colds a year..or one case of the flu..then would you eat it? Vegs do a lot for the immune system..don't sell'em short.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:48 PM
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81. Stir-fry with a little light oil, add a dash of sesame oil.
Very simple to fix, also good with asparagus. But best to soak an hour before. (The vegetables, I mean.)
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:56 PM
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76. Maybe they can extract whatever
causes the healing so I don't have to eat that demon plant.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:19 PM
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77. Okay enough of this, time to make Broccoli illegal
At this rate it could outdo marijuana in potential non-patentable health remedies. The pharma lobbyist are probably visiting the congress even at this moment
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:35 PM
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78. Dupe.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:42 PM
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86. First pot, now broccoli!
I'm so glad that I love them both.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:10 PM
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87. I will take mine
V-8 style.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 09:41 AM
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92. our garden is going crazy with broccoli...and the brussel sprouts are starting to come in...
we're already over-flowing with tomatoes.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 07:33 PM
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100. Where do you live?
Happy to fly out there and "help" you with your harvest. (the kind of help that requires digestion!:evilgrin: )

Fruits may be loaded with anti-oxidants and will bolster your immune system, but veggies are nature's medicine. They heal what ails ya. And FRESH veggies do it better and tastier than an agri-business wet dream!
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:55 PM
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99. I eat broccoli because Bush didn't like it
hahaha
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