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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:01 AM
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Fourth Circuit dismisses Abu Ghraib contractor defamation suit (against Randi Rhodes)
Source: JURIST

The US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ruled Tuesday that a radio talk-show host's inflammatory remarks about a company which conducted interrogations for the US military at Abu Ghraib prison were protected under the First Amendment. In 2005, CACI International filed a defamation suit in federal district court against Randi Rhodes and her radio station, Air America Radio , for comments that Rhodes made on the air accusing CACI of "among other things, torture, rape, murder, and misrepresenting its authority. . . at Abu Ghraib" and likening CACI and other independent contractors operating in Iraq to those "that operated in apartheid South Africa." In affirming the lower court's grant of summary judgment to Rhodes and Air America, the Fourth Circuit court explained that:

The conduct of the military and its designated civilian surrogates during wartime is a matter of the highest public concern, and speech critical of those responsible for military operations is well within the constitutionally protected area of free discussion. ...Such a commentator must simply maintain a standard of care such as to avoid knowing falsehood or reckless disregard of the truth.


The court declined to find that the comments were made with actual malice because Rhodes relied on a number of sources, including the Taguba and Fay Jones reports, which provided evidence to support her allegations and prevented CACI from proving that the statements were made with reckless disregard for the truth. The court also dismissed CACI's defamation claims concerning a number of Rhodes' comments, including the reference to apartheid, on the grounds that they did not assert actual facts against the contractor and as such allowed for "rhetorical hyperbole and other types of imaginative or exaggerated expression." AP has more.

In July, four former Abu Ghraib detainees filed lawsuits against CACI and another private contractor, L-3 Communications , alleging torture, war crimes and civil conspiracy. The actions followed a similar suit filed in May by an ex-detainee who alleged that the contractors engaged in torture and conspiracy at the prison. Last year, US District Judge James Robertson refused to dismiss a class action lawsuit against CACI in which an amended complaint alleged that CACI was responsible for the torture of more than 250 former detainees held in Iraqi prisons.

Read more: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2008/08/fourth-circuit-dismisses-abu-ghraib.php
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:05 AM
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1. Bwahahahahahahaha
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:06 AM
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2. Stupid fascists contractors thought they had totally destroyed the Constitution.
But they'll keep trying. Go Randi, Go Air America.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:15 PM
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14. Randi is not on Air America
She is on Nova FM now.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:39 PM
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25. Randi on Nova M Radio, not FM
http://www.novamradio.com/live/

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:10 AM
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3. Awesome news for the Goddess!!
She should be really fun to listen today
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:27 AM
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4. L-3 Communications, CACI, Blackwater & other mercenary companies commit War Crimes. D'ja think? n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:28 AM
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5. I thought Randi already won this
Was this an appeal by CACI?
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dsharp88 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:25 PM
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15. Yes, they appealed and lost again.
A Summary Judgment was granted to Randi meaning that it was so meritless that it shouldn't even go to a full trial. It was appealed, but upheld by the higher court that there was no basis to go to trial on this matter.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:52 PM
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17. Thanks
I guess I'll be hearing it from her today when she comes on.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:23 PM
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30. based on the decision,
yes. CACI lost on every count, or issue they raised.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:32 AM
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6. "avoid knowing falsehood or reckless disregard of the truth" -- So, what's the excuse over at...
Fox News?

Should have never been a court case. Pure harassment.

Good for Ms. Rhodes.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:26 PM
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9. I think we need to find out what statute covers that and sue FOX
and ABC and CBS and CNN and all the RW screamers that have made a career out of lying for the GOP.
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dsharp88 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:39 PM
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16. "We didn't know it was false because we could draw that conclusion based on ..."
Far be it from me to defend Fixed News, but those who purport to report news need to have the freedom to say what they can based on information they receive. "Reckless disregard" means they have to have checked the information from some source - either someone to attribute it to, or facts that can logically form the conclusion. It doesn't, in the end, have to necessarily be correct although, if wrong, should have a retraction or correction to help avoid a defamation of character suit. (my master's thesis in a nutshell...)

By the way, this high burden of proof is only for public figures. If you or I gets libeled by someone, it's a lot easier to pursue a case than for Barack Obama if he gets libeled.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:03 PM
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7. Yeah! What a weight off Randi's back! nt
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:12 PM
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8. Yay! Go, Randy!
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:28 PM
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10. A little justice after all.
Now -- what about her attorney's fees and costs, and maybe a vast sum levied on CACI just for being ruthless, torturing, murdering assholes?

That's my tax money, there. I want it all back.

It'd almost be like living in a constitutional democracy.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:17 PM
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35. If I were the Judge, this would be sanctioned as a frivolous suit, fine CACI, L-3 and the lawyers.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 04:18 PM by leveymg
Also, Rhandi should counter-sue.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:30 PM
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11. Glad Randi has won the appeal too !! /nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:41 PM
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12. The courts support the First Amendment? Hmm, I wonder why
they did that. Would Clear Channel have been sued if Randi lost this? Is that why?

I didn't think anything in the Constitution was upheld unless the ruling class benefited from it.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:48 PM
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13. And the 4th is, or at least used to be,
the most conservative circuit in the nation.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:41 PM
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38. Probably Still Close

. . . but actually, Dumbya has significantly wasted opportunities to fill holes on the Fourth Circuit caused by surprise retirements, so it's actually far more balanced now than it was before - - and the lefties on its bench are very solid.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:42 PM
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39. Dupe, self-delete
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 05:07 PM by DarthDem
Dupe, sorry.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:00 PM
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18. If Randi had lost this one, it really would have signalled the death
of the First Amendment and the eventual death of freedom in America. Way to go, Randi!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:04 PM
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20. Well, according to some here at DU telling the truth isn't
freedom of speech under the First Amendment, but lying through your pants to spread spin and propaganda is okay. I'm happy that Randi won the case. It makes me believe that we can put Rush/Sean/Billo in the judicial hot seat in the future for spreading lies as truth and fact.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:44 PM
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31. Is that your impression? I don't believe I have ever read a post on this board
who believes that "telling the truth isn't freedom of speech under the First Amendment...", or the reverse, for that matter. Are you implying that Randi was not telling the truth?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:26 PM
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41. Did you read my post?
I never said nor inferred that Randi was not telling the truth.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:01 PM
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19. Score one for Randi getting the truth out there in spite of a hostile
press beholden to the White House and the Pentagon.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:04 PM
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21. A Randi Rhodes win and a free speech win---!!! Wow.... what a day--!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:13 PM
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22. congratulations randi! i'm really happy for you--and for us as well. n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:20 PM
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23.  I guess calling women "fucking bitches" is OK too
While this is a great victory for freedom of speech, Rhodes is still worthless.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:16 PM
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27. .
:P
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:41 PM
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37. Only if, in truth, those women were in fact "non-fucking...", but that
would imply knowledge of their sexual habits.;-)
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:35 PM
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24. good
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:05 PM
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26. Score one for support of Truth and Reality
-these days it sounds like music.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:22 PM
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28. there's a lot of good reading at the link
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 03:22 PM by barbtries
i just read the entire judgment. it's like i'm back in my country tis of thee!

read it to restore your faith in democracy and at least this one court.

yay
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:23 PM
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29. Truth is a great defense against defamation suits.
CACI; Torture, Rape, Murder by hire.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:05 PM
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32. Randi, Free Speech Diva Extraordinaire! She's like a fast-talking
Larry Flynt. Without the porn.
:bounce:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:09 PM
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33. excellent for Randi!
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:16 PM
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34. How about Rush?
re: "a commentator must simply maintain a standard of care such as to avoid knowing falsehood or reckless disregard of the truth."

It seems like Limbaugh and some others might have a hard time meeting that standard now and then... maybe someone should file a suit against them...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:28 PM
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36. And THAT boys & girls.. Is why I will always love Randi...
No matter how much she pisses me off! The girl does her homework and does not back off!
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:07 PM
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40. Fantastic!
And from the Fourth Circuit, no less. Tee hee, bwahaha, etc. Great news for Ms. Rhodes. :-)
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:37 PM
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42. And I used to work for JURIST - nice to see them on this one!
Go Randi!!
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