Bush Seeks to Affirm a Continuing War on Terror

[IDemo]

Source: New York Times

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: August 29, 2008

WASHINGTON — Tucked deep into a recent proposal from the Bush administration is a provision that has received almost no public attention, yet in many ways captures one of President Bush’s defining legacies: an affirmation that the United States is still at war with Al Qaeda.

Seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Bush’s advisers assert that many Americans may have forgotten that. So they want Congress to say so and “acknowledge again and explicitly that this nation remains engaged in an armed conflict with Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated organizations, who have already proclaimed themselves at war with us and who are dedicated to the slaughter of Americans.”

The language, part of a proposal for hearing legal appeals from detainees at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, goes beyond political symbolism. Echoing a measure that Congress passed just days after the Sept. 11 attacks, it carries significant legal and public policy implications for Mr. Bush, and potentially his successor, to claim the imprimatur of Congress to use the tools of war, including detention, interrogation and surveillance, against the enemy, legal and political analysts say.

Some lawmakers are concerned that the administration’s effort to declare anew a war footing is an 11th-hour maneuver to re-establish its broad interpretation of the president’s wartime powers, even in the face of challenges from the Supreme Court and Congress.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/washington/30terror.html?ref=us

[Solly Mack]

1. Just plain fuck Bush and all who enable him, support him & give in to him

[IDemo]

3. Enabling and giving in may be 'on the table'

further into the article: While many Democrats say they are wary of Mr. Bush’s claims to presidential power, they may be even more nervous about casting a vote against a measure that affirms the country’s war against terrorism. They see the administration’s effort to force the issue as little more than a political ploy.

[Solly Mack]

4. Oh...I read it

hence my comment...which I did edit before posting lololol

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

2. Oh, is HE still here?

I was kinda hoping he would simply stay at the pig farm and clear brush for the remainder of his "term".

I'd almost forgotten about His Irrelevance for all the REAL politics going on lately.

Such is life. :shrug:

[Kermitt Gribble]

5. I'm sure Dear Nancy

is plenty eager to bring this up for a vote. She must please the almighty bushie.

[Pete2069]

7. Think people might have Pelosi wrong

Lots of her bending over for Bush's policies , are because
they are what Israel , her voters and fund supporters want her
to do,,,,

War with Iraq, Iran ,Syria , so not only does she have to
approve the war (this would include the lies and treason which
Bush used to go to war) , this also includes the funding for
it.

Needed to give Bush immunity for illegal spying because Israel
was and is doing illegal spying on our country.

As far as impeachment she and her friends have approved of his
criminal crimes and if the charge Bush they would follow. 

You can tell by the arrogant statements the republicans and
some of our democrats have made...   They believe they are
elitism and we do not have the intelligent to understand this
country's problems , much on the large scale.

[Eric J in MN]

26. She does whatever Bush wants regardless of whether...

...it has anything to do with Israel.

She didn't vote for the FISA bill because of Israel.

She voted for the FISA bill because she is a tool of George W. Bush.

[Pete2069]

6. It seems as if when our Senate , House , Judicial system

It seems as if when our Senate , House & Judicial system
starts approving legislation which is against our constitution
, which the President has done or wants to do , then we should
have a means to over throw them and kick their a.. out of
office.  

Hummmmm ,,, I think there is one......

[ohio2007]

9. Burying of women alive defended in Senate

http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/30/top4.htm

We certainly don't want to get back on track
:sarcasm:

Let them work out their divided house

[Journeyman]

8. When you have to remind a people they're at war, they aren't. . .

[nebenaube]

23. uh... yeah... what he said.... n/t

[SteveM]

10. Anyone betting Congress won't cow down on this, too? No? (nt)

[Karenina]

11. . .

[No Elephants]

12. Thumb your noses at Dummya! What you should have done in 2003.

[scipan]

13. Most important paragraph of the article

The administration wants Congress to set out a narrow framework for those prisoner appeals. But the administration’s six-point proposal goes further. It includes not only the broad proclamation of a continued “armed conflict with Al Qaeda,” but also the desire for Congress to “reaffirm that for the duration of the conflict the United States may detain as enemy combatants those who have engaged in hostilities or purposefully supported Al Qaeda, the Taliban and associated organizations.”

Bush is trying to get rid of Habeas Corpus again.

[JonLP24]

14. Bush Seeks to Affirm a Continuing War on Terror

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — Tucked deep into a recent proposal from the Bush administration is a provision that has received almost no public attention, yet in many ways captures one of President Bush’s defining legacies: an affirmation that the United States is still at war with Al Qaeda.

Seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Bush’s advisers assert that many Americans may have forgotten that. So they want Congress to say so and “acknowledge again and explicitly that this nation remains engaged in an armed conflict with Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated organizations, who have already proclaimed themselves at war with us and who are dedicated to the slaughter of Americans.”

The language, part of a proposal for hearing legal appeals from detainees at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, goes beyond political symbolism. Echoing a measure that Congress passed just days after the Sept. 11 attacks, it carries significant legal and public policy implications for Mr. Bush, and potentially his successor, to claim the imprimatur of Congress to use the tools of war, including detention, interrogation and surveillance, against the enemy, legal and political analysts say.

Some lawmakers are concerned that the administration’s effort to declare anew a war footing is an 11th-hour maneuver to re-establish its broad interpretation of the president’s wartime powers, even in the face of challenges from the Supreme Court and Congress.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/washington/30terror.html?ref=us

[bluestateguy]

15. Then maybe they should ask for a formal declaration of war from Congress

That is kind of how the Framers set it all up.

[LynnTheDem]

16. Think of all that UNLIMITED POWER the next president (D) will have!

THANKS, rightwingnuts!!!


You stupid MFers.

[DUlover2909]

17. Fuck his "proposals" or "provisions". We have LAWS in this country.

Stick his nonsense up his tightly pinched corn-hole.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. "many Americans may have forgotten"

How many times have the neoKooks reminded us now?

[mwb970]

19. What kind of war can be "forgotten" by those waging it?

During WW II, did Pres. Roosevelt have to keep reminding Americans we were fighting Hitler so they wouldn't "forget"?

Nice try, but bush's legacy has already been determined. Worst. President. Ever.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. I think we are still fighting Hitler's droppings here in America today

And I think Bush is a total disaster and that history will "remind" America of that, for generations to come, if the country survives the damage the neocons have inflicted upon the country and the world.

[nebenaube]

25. silly man...

Hitler was just another one of our little puppets, just another test case on the path to globalization. A field experiment with a man who embraced our concept of eugenics; if you will... We've been doing this since..., well, long before the last turn of the century. What is happening now is based largely on our past successes; we now think we have the methodology down pat such that we may succeed this time around and give rise to the new world order. And yes... I tend to think that most all of we proles are indeed collectively insane.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. "We've been doing this" Silly Prole!

We haven't, but the people who have been running the dog and pony show, the haves and the have mores have been behind puppets like Hitler and Bush I and Bush II...

Here is the straight skinny:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

[badgervan]

21. Setting Us Up....

.... to hit whatever country he and cheney feel like, including Iran and Russia. This would also be a "get out of jail free" card in case of future legal action by other ( or our own ) countries, say in regards to the use of torture or illegally lying the country into a war with Iraq under false pretenses. These guys ain't honest... but they sure are slick.
I hope Sen. Feingold sees this.

[defendandprotect]

22. Only if they make clear that US created the Taliban/Al Qaeda . . ..

This was another CIA funded operation via Pakistan intelligence ---

[Eric J in MN]

24. Nancy Pelosi does whatever Bush wants.

I'll be shocked if she refuses to bring this to the floor, even though this bill promotes holding prisoners indefinitely without due process.

[fjr1300]

27. DUH!

How is THIS "late breaking news"? Bush has held this position since the invasion and has never even hinted at a change in course....it's up to US to get the middle (independent) voters to realize that his is the wrong direction. A task that Hillary did a MUCH better job of communicating than our nominee has.

[Vidar]

28. Bush's "War on Terror" is just a small part of his "War on Reality".