Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans

[Dems4me]

Source: Associated Press

CHICAGO - Jailed political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Chicago real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive
Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whose administration faces multiple federal investigations over how it handed out jobs and money with advice from Rezko, is considered the most vulnerable.

Rezko also was friendly with Obama — offering him a job when he finished law school, funding his earliest political campaigns and purchasing a lot next to his house. But based on the known facts, charges so far and testimony at Rezko's trial, there's no indication there'll be an October surprise that could hurt the Democratic presidential nominee — even though Rezko says prosecutors are pressing him for dirt about Obama.



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"Rezko says prosecutors are pressing him for dirt about Obama."


These people will do anything dig up dirt on Obama. They could care less how they
get it or even if it's true or not.

[Whalestoe]

1. Sounds like Rezko doesn't have much to tell.

[Suji to Seoul]

2. The slime in the law enforcement community is getting scared

Pretty soon (hopefully), all their dirty laundry will air and the "Blue code of silence" will fall.

I am tired of these law enforcement people using their position in legalized extortion and blackmail.

[RBInMaine]

6. Now now now, be VERY careful about saying that. As a former law enforcement official

I take real exception to that. You don't know that law enforcement officials are really asking for "dirt" about Obama (that seems a real stretch to me - they don't go around just trying to get "dirt" on people - they investigate matters according to a vast complex of laws and procedures). Rezko lack credibility, and it may all be hearsay anyway. The overwhelming majority of law enforcement officials in all positions and at all levels are very good, honorable fellow citizens doing a very tough job that most people could never imagine doing. Go easy friend.

[pokercat999]

8. OK but you admit there is a Blue Code and a us against them

attitude in major law enforcement agencies.

[RBInMaine]

11. Largely urban legend. I was a police officer (now a teacher) for 11 years so I know a little about

the profession. The only "us vs. them" attitudes you see on occasion are the ones you'd expect and SHOULD see (since it's their JOB): "us", the good guys, vs. "them" the ones out there breaking laws and whom we are charged, by our sworn duty, to protect the law-abiding citizenry from; just as you'd expect a doctor to have an attitude that he is there to protect his/her patients from illness, injury, and disease, BUT, WITHIN THE RULES. These urban legends about vast codes of silence, police conspiracies, ...are very much just that, legends. A lot of this is fed by Hollywood. Police agencies and their employees are heavily regulated by a vast complex of internal policies, laws, and court rulings which require them to operate according to proper and legal procedure. Are there isolated incidents of misconduct or poor procedure here and there? Sure, as in ALL professions from dirt digger to Wall Street banker. All professional police conduct and handling of investigation is subject to intense scrutiny both within the given agency and then through the rigorous judicial review process in the courts. The hurdles cases must jump through are staggering. Get the facts. Disregard the myths.

[Aragorn]

16. get the facts

Your reply seems very defensive and/or very naive. There is plenty of evidence to support police/justice prejudice. And many people in those fields admit it, at least privately. Now you teach?

[razors edge]

26. "Now you teach?"

Scary, isn't it? I guess we can count on at least one more generation being culled for the police state mind set that got us where we are now.

Keeping those dangerous drug addicts off the street corner is a big responsibility, and we all know what they do to property values if they aren't dealt with in a swift and violent manner.

Corporate criminals, on the other hand, will walk freely among us without any challenge from the "Law Enforcement" types. Going after the thief with a brief case does seam to limit their career opportunities for some reason.

[Frank Booth]

35. That's ridiculous. You don't think police do good for the public?

You seem to forget that police don't make the laws. Most of them don't want drug addicts locked up and drug addicts don't usually get locked up. If you've ever spent any time in a city, you'd know that. Still, their job is to enforce the laws they're given -- to blame them for our arbitrary set of laws is completely unfair.

Contrary to the unbelievably naive beliefs of the people posting here, police don't spend the majority of their time locking up rich, white kid "anarchists", or whatever everyone is griping about. Police spend most of their time going after true criminals, and serve a vital purpose that lets our society function. Don't blame the police for not cracking down on corporate crime. Blame the politicians who enable the corporate criminals.

[razors edge]

65. I don't blame cops for the politicians messed up laws,

If you think I am wrong on this, then look up the number of incarcerated drug users verses the number of corporate criminal behind bars.

We all know the police aren't "locking up rich, white kid "anarchists", no money in that and it draws attention to their cause. The white majority wouldn't put up with that kind of thing anyhow.

I took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of United States at the age of 17, I'm pretty sure it's same one we ask our police to take before we gave them a license to kill. When the cops don't arrest the criminals they only encourage more crime, wouldn't you agree?

[razors edge]

72. You are beyond ridiculous.

When did I say the police write the law? Point that out and we can go forward.

I have been living on the east side of Toledo for fifteen years, and I have traveled more than 90% of the American populace.

Hawaii - 2 years - Kaneohe Bay MCAS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaneohe_Bay

Japan - 1 year - Iwakuni, http://www.iwakuni.usmc.mil/

I could go on but I am more interested in hearing about all the interesting places you have lived, and how that gave you the insight to attack me for my lack of exposure to that big bad scary world at large.



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[pokercat999]

75. Police spend MOST of their time chasing the EASY

"criminal", drug users and sellers, motorists and the operators of poor quality donut shops. It may be true that high profile cases receive an unusual amount of investigation but the run of the mill hooker assualt......not so much.

[RBInMaine]

45. You're obviously an ignorant, paranoid fool. YES, I teach, And you should LEARN something.

[razors edge]

63. You are obviously an ignorant, authoritarian a$$****e

What exactly is it that the kids don't like about their experience under the guidance of our teachers that makes a third of them so willing to throw away their future to get away from teachers like you as fast as they possibly can by dropping out?

Educate us all on that one please. I'll not hold my breath waiting for a direct reply to that.

(btw You replied to a down thread and called me paranoid, interesting)

[razors edge]

71. Hello?

Your the teacher, are you on vacation?

Share some of you insight by addressing my previous post Einstein.

Pretty easy to insult someone with an opposing view and never address the issue, easier than defending your point of view, obviously.

[w4rma]

64. DiktatrW, you are absolutely wrong on every account. Police don't write the laws they just enforce

them at the lowest level in the hierarchy.

[razors edge]

67. Who said the cops write the law?

Straw man much?

[pokercat999]

17. Uh-huh, as a former law enforcement professional myself I

have participated in large gatherings of other police and I KNOW what I've seen and heard. The us against them attitude I'm speaking of is the shared assumption that only another cop will protect you, so you better protect that other cop, by any means necessary.

"Us vs Them" "should see", I call bullshit, the "them" are people that are not police, period.

Few police will risk their career or being shunned by follow officers to do the right thing when it goes against their "brothers" or other people in higher authority. One example of law enforcement doing the "right thing" is the sheriff in Philadelphia that refuses to evict renters when the owner of the property is in default on their mortgage, I doubt you can you point out many if any others. But for every one of him there are thousands of the other kind, they call it a brotherhood for a reason.

[razors edge]

70. The Marines aren't any different. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

18. I just can not resist

Asking you how many National Lawyer's Guild observers are dedicated to the abusive dirt diggers of the world?
Last month, your folks arrested a bunch of my folks. Democrats that is. No dirt digger ever did that.
Good thing you got that horrid Amy Goodman. Was it the dirt diggers standing in the school house door? Did those dirt diggers arrest Dr King? Did dirt diggers beat Rodney King, on vidoe tape, leading to the burning of my city? Did dirt diggers refuse to defend the public at sit watching the event on TV a few blocks from where Reginald Denny was beaten? No. Cops did all of that. They left Reg Denny to the mercy of thugs and they watched on TV as he was beaten. A civilian came to his rescue. The cops were hiding like cowards from the mayhem they had created, by thier own actions.
Got a story about dirt diggers like that? I tell you this, if the dirt diggers were guilty, they'd be adult enough not to blame 'Hollywood' like some right wing talker.

[Kali]

29. oh come on!

plenty of ignorant "ditch diggers" out there beating gays to death and doing other bad things. no group is made entirely of innocents.

and you surely are mature enough to know that only the bad stories get press coverage.

[Union Thug]

52. But ditch diggers don't routinely get away with their crimes. Cops do. n/t

[razors edge]

68. Sounds like the "ditch diggers"

need a PR firm and some lobbyists.

[Juneboarder]

21. Why...

would you reference Wall Street Bankers while trying to support your fellow law enforcement folk? Seems more demeaning than helpful in my eyes, because right now ALL WALL STREET BANKERS are crooks! The law enforcement does have some good apples, but there are definitely bad apples in that bunch.

[JackInGreen]

23. RB, with all due respect to your

former position, and to the valiant (and I mean that) "officers of the law" (my words for good cops) that I've encountered, I think that the issue here is something a bit deeper. Power and its corruption run hand in hand, and the attitude that is encountered with so many law enforcement by many of us is something that's hard to get passed, considering an endemic issue of police state. See for example the "No 68"/"We get up early to beat the traffic" T-shirt sponsored by the police union in Denver, that sort of thing does neither honorable law enforcement or the public any favors when in comes to this perception. The fact that it was created by the institution or its support service indicates that that's not a "bad apple" but an issue that runs deeper in the national consciousness from both sides. In regards to regulation, and all industries having bad apples, It's disconcerting when more and more we face a force that is supposed to protect us, that we are not only afraid of, but we have seen take on a brutal persona from the top down, not from the "bad apple in the barrel" perspective.

[RBInMaine]

48. I understand that in certain areas there are different experiences and circumstances, but

what I'm talking about is the GENERAL and FALSE perception that there are vast law enforcement conspiracies, "blue codes of silence," graft, corruption, and all the rest of that kind of underhandedness that may have been more common years ago, but is rare in the modern profession.
It's like anything else. I see people talking about how "all doctors are in it for the money and most are incompetent," or how teachers "have it so easy and get summers off," and all the rest of these ignorant, foolish, sweeping comments about various professions. We need to stop this kind of ignorance. It really is prejudicial and plain ignorant. The vast majority of law enforcement officials in this country are very decent people who do a very hard job that most people wouldn't want, play by the rules of their profession, and work hard every day to provide decent public service. That's the reality.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

57. That has been my experience in working with LEO.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. You blame Hollywood

for telling truth.

How did you like that uniformed officer leading the Palin hate rally this week? Making mincing faces and implications about our Nominee? There was a shining example of the folk you defend across the board. Do you stand with him too? Need we 'be very careful' talking about that scum too? Or I guess you'd call him 'Brother' as he bad mouths Barack under color of authority.

Got any 'drit diggers' doing that sort of thing? On TV? With the whole world watching? If he was one of mine, rather than promoting that bs, I'd be hanging my head in shame. As you should be.

[Baby Snooks]

47. Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeze

"All professional police conduct and handling of investigation is subject to intense scrutiny both within the given agency and then through the rigorous judicial review process in the courts."

Only when they know the suspect has the connections or the money to engage an attorney to raise the issues in court. Who are you trying to convince that the law in this country is equitable and just and that law enforcement has only one standard of conduct with regard to all citizens?

I've seen the "boys in blue" in action from both sides of the spectrum and believe me when they think they can abuse your rights, they do.

The worst of the lot are the minority officers who abuse the rights of their own. Perhaps they believe that makes them "white" in the eyes of their fellow officers and so they can do what they want to do. Just like their fellow officers. We always have one law. But we always have two applications of the enforcement of that law. One for the rich. One for the poor and the minorities. And if you aren't rich and the officer for some reason doesn't like you, well hope that at some point an attorney manages to force DNA testing to prove you're innocent. Providing they haven't already sent you to the death chamber. I really have problems with attorneys and law enforcement officers acting as if the law works and protects us all. Only if you have the money, honey.

[Union Thug]

50. Geez, with very few exceptions, I've been on the receiving end of the us against them...

I'll take your word for what you've personally witnessed, but my perspective is 180degrees out of sync with yours. One thing I've learned in my 45 years is that you never trust a cop. Nothing personal, I'm sure that there are good cops out there, but outside of a traffic ticket and a fender bender where the cops acted professionally, I've seen nothing but very clear bias against those in the neighborhoods I've lived in my whole life. Just the site of a cruiser driving by our street makes me nervous.

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. So would you defend the actions of the St Paul police dept during the RNC?

[razors edge]

69. "us", the good guys, vs. "them"

And you are so comfortable in making the determination of who is "us" and who is "them".

We all know the police are not required to "Serve" or "Protect", that has been established in American law, they don't have that responsibility or accountability.

The police have to stop deluding themselves and the American people they can make all OK.

I can appreciate the sentiment but the overreaching implication is ludicrous.

When we can sue and receive money for damages from the police for not doing their job, then I'll review my feelings on this. Something tells me I won't be reviewing those feelings anytime soon.

Until then I will continue managing a company that is responsible to our our employees and the public for any mistakes, unlike the local PD.

[JonLP24]

73. It may be urban legend from where you are from

But it sure as hell isn't where I live. Long story short I was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong guy. I was about 17 he was about 15 with ADHD. He handed me a pack of cigarettes because he was wearing basketball shorts. Anyways after interviewing us seperately the other guy said I was with him in the car that he took from a friend and crashed it into the wall and said those cigarettes where mine. Appearently he got the cigarettes from inside the friends house so I had breaking and entering and theft looming over my head. I was called a liar, a dumbass, shut the fuck up, all kinds of negative language for something I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE!!! The kids grandma comes out running upset, the police say "No, no. You should be proud, he is being honest unlike this guy." The guy drops the charges but I'm charged with minor possession of tobacco products. Also the Mesa Police shoot first, ask questions later. June 30th, 2000 several Mesa police officers shoot at suspects in a stolen car fleeing from a Circle K on Longmore and Main St. Also a few years later they shoot and kill a teen from Westwood High School who was drunk wielding a dull knife in which family says he didn't charge but never dropped the knife. Also around 2005 they get a call from a buglary they respond and kill the ones that were robbed while the suspects got away before there arrival which was part of a week where they killed 5 people in 3 days. Let me tell you the Mesa Police are the BIGGEST ASSHOLES on earth. They personally insulted me for telling the truth.

[spotbird]

13. You may be unfamiliar with Ken Starr

The current Justice Department is documented to be corrupt to the core. They most certainly would try to get dirt on Obama and release it so late that rebuttal is possible.

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Sorry pal.

I've seen so much police abuse of power in my life time, with my own eyes, that folks like you would not be invited into my home, nor trusted around children in my care, understand? I've seen uniformeed police chase toddlers and their mothers with nightsticks drawn on Haloween. Four year olds. I've seen 7 cops shoot a drunk woman with a pen knife in cold blood, putting bullits into 2 bystanders, one of whom was told "stop whining and sit down until an officer tells you you can cry'...ok.
And frankly, your 'warning' people here to be VERY careful. That is intimidation, and a threat in and of itself. The fact that you don't recognize, if nothing else, the rudeness of telling people to watch what they say, shows how damaging 'law enforcemnt' 'work' is to the officers involved. Less than socialized, to say the least.
I assume all law enforcment is on the take, corrupt and selective in enforcment, because most of them are at least one of those things.
And procecuters? The scum of the earth. I know a few of them, all of them, all of them use recreational drugs that they procecute others for using. All of them.
So Office Watchit, if you want me to talk nice about the pigs, you'd best come over here and enforece that rule the old fashioned way.
One of my earlies memories is of the police beating reporters and kids at the Democratic Convention Chicago 1968. Beatings on TV, or journalists and protesters. And that makes you all warm and fuzzy. Did you dig it when they dragged more Democrats off to jail at the GOP installation of Palin this year? A bit of a chubby there, seeing the sticks and the cuffs?

[Union Thug]

53. I was first introduced to this as a child when my father was beaten up by cops while on strike.

It taught me my first lasting life lesson - cops are the strong arms of the propertied class.

Since then, I've witnessed some of what you describe. My neighbor, about a year ago, took a healthy beating by a group of cops - so much so that he still feels the pain in his shoulder (which he never had treated because he is a 10/hour truck driver with no medical coverage). What was he charged with? NOTHING. They never even put him in the back of a cop-mobile. I watched it happen, but when I tried to act as his witness, we were dismissed without second thought.

Unless you catch a cop on video tape, do not EVER expect justice. Ever.

You know, I live in a poor neighborhood. Most of us are working class people who just want to be left alone. But the cops see us as the problem and we are treated like shit by them - always under suspicion, always on the receiving end of their authoritarian mindset. We don't own businesses, we don't have university degrees. Some don't have high school diplomas. But we're doing the best we can with what we have. We don't need the cops to remind us that we are the serfs of the bosses and owners.

[TankLV]

59. Yep - cops beating up on Union members - my FATHER was one of them...

[Suji to Seoul]

19. Overwhelming majority my fat ass! If there "overwhelming majority" of law enforcement

were decent, we wouldn't see cops blindly following orders, attacking protesters (like the one highlighted by Olbermann), cutting up homeless people's tents, bullying convicts to get dirt on a presidential candidate and beating people like what happened in Florida, Ohio, California and New York (but those are just isolated "bad apples," like Abu Garib prison).

I am sick of badge sniffers, law enforcement apologists and people like the responder to my post who tell me that "cops and law enforcement" don't break the law or bend it mercilessly. Law enforcement feel that they are "very good, honorable fellows" that do "a very tough job that most people could never imagine doing" that we should instantly get down on our knees and pucker up our lips around their hind quarters. It doesn't work that way.

Next time there is a police scandal, let's see how many "very good" cops come out to say "that cop is dirty."

Next time a baby is murdered, let's see the police come out in full uniform and have a funeral like when an officer dies in the line of duty televised. HELL, we don't even see that for soldiers, who have a job 10000 times worse and harder than any police officer.

Your ship has sailed. . .don't think I'm just some college kid who knows nothing. . .like you, I am a teacher. Maybe like you, I have two master's degrees and a dual BA. Unlike you, I don't believe in absolute obedience and respect for people who don't have any for me. Police need to earn it. . .and I question giving it to a group of people who try to subvert our "rights" as much as possible and enforce letter and not spirit of law.

Law enforcement is corrupt, abusive and without restraint, except for IA, which is nothing more than the fox watching the chicken coup.

Sorry Charlie. . .that dog doesn't hunt anymore with me.

[RBInMaine]

46. Your sweeping comments are simply crazy. And it's people like you who will cry for help the next

time you NEED a cop. The vast majority are good citizens doing a tough, tough job you could never imagine. Kindly grow up.

[Suji to Seoul]

49. Kindly grow up yourself.

I don't even live in the States. I haven't seen a cop since I moved here. The local police station is closed most of the time.

[renate]

55. I've seen--from a distance--both sides, but I think most cops are admirable

In a town near me, a big story a few years ago was the prosecution of a police officer who'd intimidated women he'd arrested into giving him sexual favors; this went on for many years because his fellow officers (presumably not the whole department, just his buddies) covered for him, not only while it was going on but during his trial. He did end up going to jail.

But then there's the story I was just told by a friend about a homeless man who lives across the street from her office building. He's a nice guy, keeps an eye on the area, and the police like him, so they replaced the old beat-up car he was living in with a nicer van. Did they have to do that? No.

Every time I drive by a traffic stop I think about how police officers have NO IDEA whether this particular driver is going to go nuts and pull a gun on him/her, or try to drive over him/her, or whatever. And domestic disturbance calls are incredibly dangerous. Well, the list of things that can go wrong, at a moment's notice, during "just another day at work" is endless. Certainly there are a few bad cops who really get off on the power of a badge, but I am extremely grateful for the majority of officers who are willing, without question, to protect law-abiding citizens from the bad guys.

[pipoman]

20. I have not been in law enforcement per se

I have done a fair amount of criminal defense investigation. I have investigated for high profile defendants who were very adversarial to both politicians and law enforcement. Some of the defendants have had hundreds of prosecution and law enforcement man hours tied up in the prosecution. A few times road blocks have been placed to slow my investigation but never have I felt that political pressure has breached the protection of law enforcement rank and file. I have known individual police officers and very small groups of officers to be less than truthful and seen reports which were obviously collaborated. This isn't that uncommon, you must admit. But overall the whole "blue code" is exaggerated. By far the most common profession of defendants I assisted in their defense was law enforcement. This seems to counter the myth that the "blue code" is very common or these officers would never be prosecuted. I believe that prosecutors are far more likely to be swayed by political pressure as they are a product of the political system. This is why every Presidential administration cleans house in the justice department with Federal Prosecutors being the target.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

24. well put, but for each honorable public servant

you have a Gonzo-inserted collection of assholes like those who rammed through a conviction of Alabama's Democratic governor. Or crazed ideologues like Spasovksy and his collection of creeps.

[razors edge]

30. self delete

[EFerrari]

32. You don't know much about the Bush Justice Department, do you?

Politicized and corrupt as hell. You bet they're looking for dirt on Obama.

[Roy]

37. They don't go on stage and use prople's names as slurs either

[TankLV]

58. Why should anybody be carefull about saying the OBVIOUS?

Time and again there had been PROOF of the MANY "bad" apples in the police all over the country and TIME AFTER TIME the police use their PROVEN "code of silence" to try to PROTECT THESE ASSHOLE BAD COPS at the expense of the few GOOD ones...

[Azathoth]

3. Sounds like Blagojevich is in trouble

Absolutely nothing about Obama except for the obligatory "Obama bought a 10-foot tract of land for his house" refrain.

[Vinca]

4. Ah, the things Republican wet dreams are made of. nt

[thunder rising]

5. Blasts from the past ... sure, fire away, it worked so well for HRC.

[1Hippiechick]

7. Off topic, but drives me crazy: the expression is that "they couldN'T care less." eom

[MrsBrady]

9. this stuff is BS

i once had a friend who was dealing drugs and was arrested
I knew he smoked pot, but I had NO idea he was dealing.

I don't smoke pot now or then.

Does that make me a criminal because my friend got busted?

total BS

[skepticscott]

10. Political corruption in Illinois?

Shocking! Unthinkable! An earth-shaking revelation if ever I heard one.

[RBInMaine]

12. Is it a state case or a federal case? If it's feds, that's NOT "Illinois Corruption." And,

you are in a fairytale land if you make sweeping judgments about ALL police officials in ANY state being "corrupt". There's no need of that ! Kindly get real.

[skepticscott]

22. You're the one making the sweeping judgments

Can you please cite for me WHERE in my post I even mentioned "police officials" or said that "ALL" of any group were corrupt? If not, please acknowledge your blithering error and correct yourself.

My point, made somewhat ironically (all of which was obviously beyond you) was that political corruption (whether a federal or state matter) among Illinois politicians is nothing new or surprising.

[RBInMaine]

43. The tone of your comment is OBVIOUSLY sweeping in nature. It's self-evident.

You talk about "corrupt" Illinois officials like you're chucking out candy. Does this include the office secretaries too?

[skepticscott]

62. Nice try

but you apparently missed the point again, which is that political corruption DOES exists in Illinois and is not even remotely a secret for anyone familiar with Illinois politics, NOT that every single public employee in Illinois is corrupt. Obviously that was so far over your head that you have to lie about what I said just to try to make your misbegotten point.

[riona]

15. That's it!

I want the resignations of all elected officials who have even looked at a sneaky political fundraiser.

[Honeycombe8]

25. If there were anything relevant or important to the Rezko connection, we'd know it by now.

There have been hundreds of journalists and campaign workers working night and day for months trying to dig up something. There's just nothing there out of the ordinary from any politician and his fundraisers.

Bush's connections were far worse (Abramoff, Ken Lay, and others). McCain's connections are far worse. I've heard the facts about Rezko, and I'm puzzled about what anyone thinks is wrong there. Politicians can't be responsible for EVERYTHING a fundraiser has ever done or ever will do in other areas of their lives.

[FVZA_Colonel]

54. Not to mention I just can't believe that with all the effort investigators and prosecutors put on

him in the investigation and the trial, that they couldn't have found something damaging to link him to Rezko, or that Rezko wouldn't have said something in order to arrange for a plea agreement.

[DrZeeLit]

28. Is that the headline. Whoa... reads like it was written by McSlimers

[bemildred]

34. It's a sleazy dishonest sort of headline. But hey, it's from AP. nt

[pipoman]

31. This entire thread makes me wonder

why much of our party believes all police are corrupt yet only want police to be armed. I am not trying to change the subject here but damn! For the life of me I can never grasp this contradiction. Further there are many here who want to proclaim anyone who believes law abiding citizens should be allowed to have similar weaponry as the police to be freepers...I just don't get it. :shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

36. Not all of the party feels this way.

[pipoman]

40. Oh, I know, I've met many good Dems who don't

feel this way. It must, however, be the prevailing sentiment, at least among the true decision makers in the party based on the insistence to keep these ideas at the forefront and in the platform.

[Lautremont]

41. Because they don't feel the way to resolve a conflict is by escalating it,

and by getting bigger boards with bigger nails until we get a board with a nail in it so big that it kills us all.

[pipoman]

42. They would rather be

subservient and oppressed by the same people they feel are corrupt to the core? If law enforcement does these vile things now, imagine what it would be like if they knew they were the only ones with effective weapons.

[Realityhack]

60. I am not disagreeing with you but...

IMO law enforcement today is a lot better than a couple of decades ago. That isn't to say they cleaned up on their own... but I don't think we can make a simplistic connection between them 'knowing they were the only ones with effective weapons' and abuse of power.

[Toucano]

33. Another attempt to use the Justice Department for political gain.

When will this nightmare end?

[CitizenPatriot]

38. but...but...isn't that like a partisan "operative" digging up dirt

in say...Alaska?

Obama should appoint his own people to investigate himself and then clear himself pre-emptively of anything Rezko says.

Not that Rezko makes a very good source...unless you're a reptilian lying loser.

watching the sinking ship of your party

[Veronica.Franco]

39. What are the prosecutors names?

Does anybody know exacty who the thugs are here? ...

[goodboy]

44. Like that asshole who went to Kenya to dig up dirt...

and was arrested and deported.

[PSPS]

51. So, was the Illinois US Attorney replaced in Gonzo's purge?

If so, this shows he's doing his job -- create a democratic "prosecution" in time for tne election.

[ForrestGump]

56. Disgusting

I hate seeing people spill their beans. It always makes me, reflexively, feel like doing the same thing. Bleh...

[paulk]

66. if by "these people" you mean Patrick Fitzgerald

I thought he was one of the good guys when he convicted Libby.

Or is he only a good guy when he goes after Republicans?

"They could care less how they
get it or even if it's true or not."

LOL

stupid...

[Snazzy]

74. What the hell is with that headline AP?

Pretty over the top eh? Meanwhile article says there's nothing there.