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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:36 PM
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McCain transition team linked to Saddam Hussein
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 11:39 PM by Elad
Source: Huffington Post

The Washington lobbyist John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who McCain aide William Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.

Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html



This could be GAME OVER right here.....
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:38 PM
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1. Republicons Vs. America
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:39 PM by SpiralHawk
Why are republicons so cozy with Terrorists?

Obama should ask this of McSame in the debate...
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:41 PM
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2. Lobbyists, deregulators and dictators...oh my.
Country First, huh? How can he stand behind that banner and even call into question Obama's character with a straight face?
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TerribleLarryDingle Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:42 PM
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3. Wonder if the MSM will pick this one up.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:43 PM
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4. it's this a jock? n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:50 PM
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88. Yes, we're just goating you n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:48 PM
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5. John "Hussein" mcKain III
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:48 PM by tekisui
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Cherokee4Obama Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:42 PM
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87. Saddam McCain
:spank:
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:56 PM
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6. If I were McSame,
I'd reconsider bringing up Ayres tomorrow night.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:56 PM
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31. great point!
If McCain brings out the tired association between Obama and Ayers, Obama can simply respond that although McCain's folks are cozy with Saddam Hussain, he would prefer to talk about the economy and leave this sniping to others, we don't need that, etc.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:10 PM
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48. Yeah, but lobbyist issue is too difficult for "Joe Six Pack" to get his brain around
Oh, sorry was I too cynical again?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:38 PM
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69. John McCain's presidential team leader used to work for Saddam Hussein.
There--nice and simple. Now spread the word, folks.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:37 PM
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79. Yup! Nice and simple. But simple enough for MSM?
So many bad people around McCain it makes my head spin trying to keep track.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:56 PM
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7. Wonder if McSame
really wants to talk about associations NOW? LOL
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:58 PM
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8. McPickle....
yep, in a pickle, I'd say.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:13 PM
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15. LOL, think your right!
B-)
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:46 PM
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81. I say, we've had one too many Pickles in the WH.
:crazy:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:13 PM
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14. maybe this is what Biden meant: Mc will probably regret talking
about Ayers, etal
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mcjackson Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:05 PM
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9. MCCAIN'S TRANSITION CHIEF AIDED SADDAM HUSSEIN
Source: HuffPo

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:05 PM
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10. Wasn't that when
Saddam was before us before he was against us? /sarcasm.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:09 PM
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11. So McCain is going to bring up Ayres.
Bring it on... hehehe.

Perhaps this is why Obama was egging him on.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:11 PM
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12. HA!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:11 PM
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13. he'd better not bring up Ayers-this and the AIP will be back@him
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:16 PM
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16. Can you say "pals around with terrorists"?
Mr. KamaAina can!!
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:18 PM
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17. Kind of
hard to do a transition team when you haven't even won the damn election.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:21 PM
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18. Need a job? John McCain doesn't vet any of his employees. All felons,
ethics violators, liars and cheats, lobbyists, as well as dictator appeasers are welcome in the mcCain campaign.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:26 PM
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19. If irony needed another name...
It would be called McCain.
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VoodooGuru Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:26 PM
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20. ROFL. Nice to see that his vetting is nothing if not consistent.
Who's palling around with terrorists and tyrants now, huh? HUH?!
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Twinguard Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:31 PM
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21. Forward this to the M$M
Not just KO and Rachel, but the whole lot of 'em.
This might put the final nail in the KKKoffin, don'tcha know.
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smb Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:32 PM
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22. McCain Vetting Team
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
71. "Remind me to kill you later."
"I'll make a note of it."
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:42 PM
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23. McCain't *transition* team?!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:47 PM
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24. OMG! I hope Obama knows about this and brings it up if McLame asks about Ayers tomorrow!!
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:48 PM
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25. Now Who's Sane? LOL
Yeah, it's a bad joke and at the same time questions McCain's sanity.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:49 PM
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26. he really kind of hates to vet people, eh?
i read earlier that mccain was so sure he would lose he hadn't even put a transition team together. here's an auspicious start to that process, another good indication of what kind of president he'd make. heaven forbid the republicans steal this election.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:50 PM
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27. John Saddam McCain
:rofl:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:50 PM
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28. Well, well, well. McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort
McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort

By Murray Waas
October 14, 2008 02:49 PM


William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.

.....

Timmons declined to comment for this story. An office manager who works for him said that he has made it his practice during his public career to never speak to the press. Timmons previously told investigators that he did not know that either Vincent or Park were acting as unregistered agents of Iraq. He also insisted that he did not fully understand just how closely the two men were tied to Saddam's regime while they collaborated.

But testimony and records made public during Park's criminal trial, as well as other information uncovered during a United Nations investigation, suggest just the opposite. Virtually everything Timmons did while working on the lobbying campaign was within days conveyed by Vincent to either one or both of Saddam Hussein's top aides, Tariq Aziz and Nizar Hamdoon. Vincent also testified that he almost always relayed input from the Iraqi aides back to Timmons.

Talking points that Timmons produced for the lobbyists to help ease the sanctions, for example, were reviewed ahead of time by Aziz, Vincent testified in court. Proposals that Timmons himself circulated to U.S. officials as part of the effort were written with the assistance of the Iraqi officials, and were also sent ahead of time with Timmons' approval to Aziz, other records show.
Moreover, there was a major financial incentive at play for Timmons. The multi-million dollar oil deal that he was pursuing with the two other lobbyists would only be possible if their efforts to ease sanctions against Iraq were successful.

.....




Is it time to run John McCain out of town on a rail, handcuffed with his ignorant, smash-mouthed cohort?






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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:51 PM
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29. No wonder they keep accusing Obama of the terrible things
It's called "projection."
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:54 PM
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30. Wow, Palin around with terrorists?
Who's responsible for this outrage! Traitors!
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:01 PM
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32. Funny how the guilt-by-association game
has a way of biting McSHAME in the ass!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:05 PM
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33. Wait, the bigger question I have is this...
why the hell does he need a transitional team. He's tanking in the polls
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:12 PM
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34. Easy answer
It's for his transition into Shady Pines. A year from now, he'll be tied to a chair ranting about how his applesauce is 10 minutes late.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:13 PM
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35. Well, hey, he's just a normal lobbyist making money any F- - -ing way he can. What's the problem?
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 04:14 PM by JohnWxy


As long as it's done to make money it's okay, right??? isn't that the core of the Republican value system?


RECOMMENDED.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:14 PM
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36. TERRORIST!!! TRAITOR!!! etc. etc.
Oh wait, it doesn't quite have the same ring if it's a white all-American man like McSaddam
:sarcasm:
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:28 PM
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38. Here's a picture of McCain:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:27 PM
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37. The Ayers story -- weak and pathetic to begin with -- is officially dead.
"Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism."

Ho-Ly. SH*T.

"Vincent testified that Park covertly received millions of dollars from Saddam's government that was supposed to be used to bribe then-U.N. Secretary General Boutros Boutros Ghali to ease international sanctions against Iraq. But both men simply pocketed the money, according to Vincent."

If this is true, and I would strongly suspect that it is, Congratulations President Obama.

McCain's campaign, which has perpetually teetered on the edge of dysfunction, racism and ridiculousness since the end of both conventions, is now officially :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:29 PM
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39. McCain is losing his political legacy before his own eyes ...
Association by Association.

Whatever good he performed in his years of political and military service has been soiled by his current campaign of hate and intolerance. Hopefully, he can finish his senate term and simply fade away.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:35 PM
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40. LOL
geesh the hits just keep on comin'
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:37 PM
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41. IT DON'T GET NO BETTER THAN THIS!!!
Barack HUSSEIN Obama

versus

John SADDAM McCain


See, John, this is what happens when you and Sarah open Pandora's Box, you fuckwad!!



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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:38 PM
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42. This story needs to go wide!
K&R
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
58. oh if it's on the front page of HuffPo, it will go viral.
Can't be ignored.

:kick:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:40 PM
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43. was McCain 8 years old when Timmons was working with Saddam Hussein?
Because as the McCain campaign will be the first to tell you, we can totally link him with Timmons' actions if McCain was a child at the time. Otherwise, it doesn't count.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:41 PM
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44. Closer to 68

Damn, guess it doesn't count.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:48 PM
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45. Good grief
One dumb move right after another.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:06 PM
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46. The Big Lie
Accuse your opponent of the very things that you are, in fact, guilty of.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:08 PM
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47. Disco!
You got it right.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:12 PM
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49. John "Saddam" McCain
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:14 PM
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50. More guilt by more association(s)
Keep 'em coming McCain/Palin.

"You can always find a Repug low-life hiding near or under a Bush".
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:18 PM
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51. All aboard the KARMA TRAIN!
CHOO CHOO! :D
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:22 PM
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52. kicking
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stoge18 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:25 PM
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53. Will this go beyond DU and Huffington Post?
I'll be shocked in any major newspapers or news outlets touch this. Pleas, somebody, anybody, shock me! Why do they ignore this stuff?
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AKing Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:47 PM
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56. I hope Olbermann will get get the ball rolling nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:26 PM
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54. K & R
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:27 PM
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55. Hopefully, this will get the media exposure it deserves
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:47 PM
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57. ROTFLMAO!!!
Dear republicans, can ya possibly get any more hypocritical???! Huh???

:rofl:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:57 PM
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59. *snort* Absurdly optimistic. McCain's not going to be needing a transition team.
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:59 PM
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60. Timmons was also heavily involved in Freddie Mac
William Timmons Sr., earned nearly $3 million from Freddie Mac between 2000 and its seizure, federal lobbying records show. Mr. Timmons is founder of Timmons & Co., one of Washington’s best-known lobbying shops. The payments were first reported by Bloomberg News.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/w24davis.html?pagewanted=print

So, thats 2 (Timmons & Davis) involved in his campaign that made fortunes off of Freddie. Hasn't McKKKain been touting that Freddie and Fannie made this economic meltdown.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:00 PM
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70. Make Wayne Berman #3 with the Freddie Mac connections
Berman was involved in soliciting illegal donations from Freddie Mac to the Republican Governors Association in 2002-03, when he was both a consultant for Freddie Mac and Honorary Finance Chairman of the RGA. ("Honorary" because of a small scandal he'd gotten into as finance chairman in 1999, involving the Carlyle Group and illegal state investments.)

Details of the FEC case against Berman are at http://eqs.sdrdc.com/eqsdocs/000051B2.pdf.

I'm still wondering what Freddie got for its money -- but it seems likely to be connected with another FEC case, this one involving illegal contributions in the form of fundraisers to the head of Freddie Mac in 2002, when the House was holding oversight hearings. The contributor was Epiphany Productions, a firm closely connected with the Republican Party and in particular with Susan Hirschmann -- a former Tom DeLay chief of staff whose name also shows up in connection with Jack Abramoff.

(http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradewatch.org%2Fdocuments%2FACFAB5.pdf&ei=PDD1SIasHKiaeaHqwJEO&usg=AFQjCNH-gWToMzPbp4iHZ4q0_-w5zM5cJA&sig2=KePPXnxUDIhdDccG3TFQ3w)

I'm still waiting for someone to ask Berman where he was when Freddie got out of control -- but I'm not holding my breath.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:07 PM
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61. LOL! The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight!
WTF can they do right? They are snake bit! They are shot right through the ass! McCain's transition team chair is a TERRORIST SUPPORTER! LOL!
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:11 PM
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62. Holy hockey pucks. Hasn't his campaign heard of background checks?
I guess this is what happens when you take on incompetent partisan hacks as hired muscle.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:15 PM
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63. and of course the msm isn't covering this, a bunch of us sent this link to
"All of them" and nothing yet.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:23 PM
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66. if it's on HuffPo they can't ignore it
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:19 PM
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64. Fascinating Article....Interesting....K&R!
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:22 PM
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65. I have long felt this guilt-by-assoc thing wouldn't work out for McLame.nt
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:29 PM
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67. Lie down with lobbyists
wake up with the ghost of Saddam. Still want to talk about Bill ayers, Grampy?
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:37 PM
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68. Timmons has even more history than that
I posted some of it in another thread on this topic at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7449168. I also posted on him last month at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3485420#3485849.

To summarize, Timmons worked in the Nixon White House during Watergate and shows up on some of the tapes discussing damage control. Just a couple of years ago, he was quoted by the students researching Deep Throat as saying, "I never talk about my days in the White House, and I'm not going to start now."

In 1980, he was brought into the Reagan campaign by Bill Casey, perhaps because of his association with Tongsun Park, who'd been his college classmate. He may have been involved at that time with "Debategate" -- the theft of Jimmy Carter's campaign materials -- since, at the very least, he was the recipient of some of that stolen information.

In the early 80's, he and his firm, Global USA, were tied in with Casey's off-the-books intelligence network.

And some time around 1987-88, he and Tongsun Park were involved in an attempt to prevent the ouster of Manuel Noriega. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022201650.html)

Timmons has never been important enough to be very high profile, but at any point where he becomes visible, it's because he was doing something questionable, if not actively illegal.

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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:19 PM
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72. So the guy isn't any good, right?
Will his current client end up swinging? Maybe he can work for * next.

Bill
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:38 PM
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73. Oh good lord!
I thought I'd see everything this election cycle.
Now after this I don't think there isn't anything that could possibly surprise me any more.

McCain was for Saddam, Manuel Noriega, the Contras, Apartheid, Richard Nixon, UBS, ENRON, FARC and right-wing Colombian murder squads, Georgia, Secessionists, Witch Hunters, and anti-abortionist murderers before he was against them.
Is there anyone on his team who is NOT a scumbag? What, did the Straight Talk bus driver used to lobby for Halliburton? Or is the cook the cleanest one on the ticket?

I hope this becomes a debate topic.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:43 PM
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74. In the comics, this would be funny
but in real life, it's just hilarious!
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:52 PM
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75. AIP ties Saddam ties????
Contact the media and demand answers to these... We should be contacting our congressional leadership and demand they address this matter... Our Country First!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:55 PM
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76. remember boys and girls , uncle dick halliburton was "lobbying"
to get the sanctions lifted during the clinton years...
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:13 PM
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77. OMG I hope he brings this up in the debate!
McCain will flip his wig!
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AKing Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:23 PM
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78. John Kerry just mentioned it on Rachel Maddow
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:00 AM
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95. Go Kerry!!
mom figured nobody would allow this on MSM. John Kerry brought it up. Lets see if this gets some play :)
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:02 PM
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80. Biden is one tough and honorable man!!
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 09:07 PM by lyonn
He has been a favorite of mine for some time but this article along with pictures and letter really got to me. At that time in your life that shows how he truly cares about people and country. Wow.....

Edit: Boy, do I feel stupid. I commented on an article to the right of the posters article. After reading about Timmons(?) I saw the Biden article and completely forgot where I was...... Oh well, check the Biden article out anyway, OK?
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:59 PM
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82. that's okay
I'm right there w/ ya. After reading your post, I second guessed myself and used the back button, thinking I might have gone into another thread already.

:rofl:
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:43 AM
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103. Sorry for the confusion, laugh...
This election has me in such a mental state of anxiety that there is no telling where my comments may land as my mind wanders all over the place with this election. This is the first time that as the election goes along I am so totally convinced that Obama and Biden will be the best thing to happen to the U.S. since, ohhh, Kennedy and Clinton.

Obama impresses me more each day, and to think I pretty much scuttled him in the beginning of this election period. Well, I didn't know very much about him. Throw Biden in the mix and I am scared to death that these two won't get the vote through fraud, deceit and prejudice.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:56 PM
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117. High anxiety, Yes!
fraud, deceit and prejudice--- A potentially lethal mix.

I understand your concerns, I share the same.

I didn't know Obama either and I have come to like him more, every time I hear him. Ditto on all accounts!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:03 PM
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83. Yes, but Obama's an Arab Marxist
so please don't spread this around
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:11 PM
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84. News Spreads To Europe! Sky News Breaking Story


McCain's Man Linked To Saddam?
3:06am UK, Wednesday October 15, 2008
James Cheyne, Sky News Online
The man chosen to lead John McCain's presidential transition team was involved in a lobbying effort on behalf of Saddam Hussein - according to political blog the Huffington Post.

William E Timmons has been asked to help plan a McCain administration - should the Republican win the presidential election on Nov 4. The campaigns start the transition process well in advance because of its complexities.

But the Huffington blog says Mr Timmons worked closely with two lobbyists who were convicted of acting as "unregistered agents" for the Iraqi Dictator's government.

Mr Timmons - a long term Washington lobbyist who has worked for every Republican president since Richard Nixon - has not denied the allegations.

As head of the transition team he would help John McCain fill up to 3,000 full time government posts in the period between Nov 5 and the Inauguration on Jan 20. The process involves intense security checks and heavy vetting, introduced after the September 11 attacks.

But the alleged links between Mr Mccain's new adviser and the Iraqi dictator will again call into question the people he chooses to be part of his team.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:48 AM
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104. Dirty, dirty politics. So far this has not even been mentioned
in the msm. It looks like McCain has been working both sides of the fence. Guess that is called being a Maverick. So who thinks we should be governed by a lying maverick? Sick thinking.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:16 PM
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85. Framing. Just say- "The person McCain just hired worked for Saddam Hussein."
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 10:18 PM by higher class
Then, if necessary -
Add that he worked for Hussein right after the First Gulf War - as a lobbyist.

Then add - Remember the sanctions the UN got against Hussein - so Hussein was limited in the oil he could sell?
Then add - The guy McCain just hired worked for Hussein to get those sanctions lifted.
Then add - The guy's name is Timmons. The guy McCain just hired.
Then add - Two other people Timmons worked with got in trouble with U.S. law because they didn't register their relationship - they were unregisted agents of Saddam Hussein. They were both convicted.
Then add - The three of them were also working on a contract to sell oil for Hussein. After they got the sanctions lifted.

That's who McCain just hired to coordinate people for McCain's staff as president and handle the transition from Bush to McCain.




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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:23 PM
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86. Or .... "McCain's Man Worked For Saddam Hussein"
or "McCain's Key Man Worked For Saddam Hussein". That might be stronger and it's accurate.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:53 AM
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105. This would be good conversation for tonight's Debate!!?? nt
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:57 PM
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89. Wow. Talk about an October surprise! Heavy stuff! Same last name as mine...
tres embarrassing!
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:37 PM
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90. No wonder they came up with the Ayers crap!
Now that this comes out, it could look like well they said they weren't linked to Ayers, now the Dems just want to say McCain is linked to terrorism. I hope this hits the 5 pm news.


This is truly scary shit!

do the words PRE-EMPTIVE WAR have deeper meaning now!!!!! Yes the do!!
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watanabe Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:57 PM
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91. is that true Saddam ? ups i guess he cant talk now
because he's deeed.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:40 AM
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92. Well, if he brings Ayers up... here is the perfect antidote
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:28 AM
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93. Not surprising...republicans, gave Hussein all his weapons in Iraq's war against Iran.
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captainjack08 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:44 AM
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94. Pallin' Around with Terrorists with Al-Qaeda in Arizona?
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 02:48 AM by captainjack08
Also it should be noted that Al-Qaeda set up its first bases in the United States in Arizona according to this link here
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1986alkifaharizona

So if you want to apply McCain to the same standard he applies to Obama then he is guilty by association for being senator of the state where Al-Qaeda came to America and first started to organize on U.S. soil.

And even as late as 2001, Arizona(remember the Phoenix memo?) played apart in 9/11. So I guess McCain has been pallin' around with terrorists in Arizona.

We could also get into the whole strange militia thing surrounding Palin and McCain... Arizona is a militia area... and Palin has militia connections...but that is another whole ball of wax.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:39 PM
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107. That is quite a story on that web site.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:42 PM by lyonn
Spookie even. I didn't take the time to read the stories and articles provided in the article but did save it for later.

Edit: I'm not sure McCain is smart or aware enough to be a militia type, just a bush type that goes along to get along.
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captainjack08 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:13 PM
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116. Some more of McCain's shady Saudi ties
Here's an article about McCain apparently riding around on the same plane that flew the Bin Laden's out of the United States. This is according to Daniel Hopsicker here
http://www.madcowprod.com/02272008.html
http://digg.com/politics/McCain_s_Lobbyist_s_Plane_Flew_Saudis_Out_of_US_After_9_11

This one on the Saudi ties of a McCain aide
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/04/dnc_targets_mcc.html

This one on McCain, the Keating 5 and Saudi bank raiders back in the 80s
http://arizona.typepad.com/blog/2008/06/the-cover-ups-1.html

McCain has the appearance of having ties to quite a few shady associates.
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candystrap Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:24 AM
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96. Lesson learned hard
This is the reason why employers should always do a background check.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:31 AM
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97. Vincent was convicted in the Iraq "oil for food" corruption case. Cheney , Kemp also implicated

U.S. v. Samir Vincent

see, indictment, para. 7-10: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/oil4food/usvincent11805inf.pdf

Also, see, http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/23/jack_kemp_questioned_by_fbi_in_oilforfood_probe.php


(Prominent GOP figure Jack) Kemp had monthly contact with Vincent over a long period of time whereas Jimmy Carter's involvement was minimal at best. To me, this is another example of FOX News' deliberately omitting crucial exculpatory information in order to "balance" the story to appear less damaging to the Republican, in this case, Jack Kemp.

It has been my contention all along that the voluminous coverage of the Oil-for-Food scandal by the reactionary media, coupled with the Senate hearings headed by by Sen. Norm Coleman, were part of a pre-emptive strike, carefully crafted and timed to soften the impact on conservative voters when it was revealed that prominent American individuals and companies were deeply involved in the Oil-for-Food scheme. Among the U.S. oil companies possibly implicated are ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, oil refiner Bayoil and oil field equipment supplier. They have been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors, along with the largest U.S. buyer of Iraqi oil, Houston businessman Oscar Wyatt and his former company, Coastal Oil, now owned by El Paso Inc. At one point, while still in contact with Mr. Vincent, Jack Kemp approached Colin Powell and Dick Cheney.


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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:44 AM
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98. Kicked and Recommended!! n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:15 AM
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99. K&R for Saddam Hussein McCain LOL. n/t
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:00 AM
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100. ugh and all the media talks about is Acorn
Add to that his chief adviser Charlie Black and I'm sure others that work for him. (google Charlie Black).

Strange how the media goes on about Obama's links to activists that do good work for people while McCain's links to people who lobby for despots and terrorists go virtually unreported.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:11 AM
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101. It doesn't get any better than this.
This is really good. I wonder how much play it will get?

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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:09 AM
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102. McCain is so busted
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:02 PM
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106. Let's see him bring up Ayers at the debate. N/T
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:51 PM
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108. This post is so full of goodies that here is another kick.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:03 PM
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109. Kick
:kick:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:30 PM
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110. It Would Be Nice If Obama Publicize The Fact That McCain's ....
man worked with two convicted criminals too help the Sadaam Hussein regime.

The voting public might be just a little bit interested in that hard documented non-smear fact.

Don't ya think?

Let McCain twist in the wind trying to answer that hard fact until election day.

That's hardly engaging in a tit for tat "negative" campaign.

Doesn't McCain do background checks on someone so high in his organization? Is he really as incompetent and out of touch as his mentor, George W. Bush?
Having a collaborator of the "terrorist" Hussein regime on his payroll, in a top position, should raise some heads.
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:37 PM
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112. Keep on Spreading this story around the internet
Lets go to work...


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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:36 PM
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111. Obama should raise this BEFORE McCain brings up Ayers
McCain will not expect that .... he'll be totally off guard because he expects Obama to play nice once again.

Obama striking first on the associations and character issue will tremendously weaken anything McCain has to say about Ayers.

People will want to know more about McCain's transition team head.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:49 PM
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113. Nothing on the news about this?
about what you'd expect
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roberto Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:50 PM
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114. THIS one is GOOD.

This is really important.

Get away with the alaska independence party.
This one is the good one.
This must be investigated more and more, but investigated and not used tonight ...

A "hero" making affairs with a US enemy .... Indirectly ...

well, looks alike MC is a very special hero ...
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:57 PM
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115. Fortunately though, both are dead
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